Prospect Info: 2013-2014 Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 12/17)

[Khelvan]

Similarly, i dont see how playing in KHL could be a knock on his development. Fast and Lindberg developed just fine in Swedish league before this season. Buch is in the first year of two-year (two-way) contract.

The knock on having players develop in the KHL is the way the game is played there. In Sweden it is much more like North American hockey, with each player taught defensive responsibility and expected to forecheck/backcheck/play positionally strong on defense. Which is why players that develop in Sweden come over to NA very well-rounded.

In the KHL, however, it seems to be more where players are given specific roles. Players with great offensive instincts/hands are told to play offense-first, players who don't have those skills or are better defensively are told to play defense-first. We see a lot more players coming from Russia who are lacking in one area of their game because they focus completely on the other while developing. And sometimes it even becomes a question of ego/willingness to learn. "What, ME backcheck?? Why would I do that? I score goals!"

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Fogarty didn't play for Notre Dame. Anyone hear why?

If a tree doesn't fall in the forrest does anyone care?

 

[Trxjw]

Fogarty didn't play for Notre Dame. Anyone hear why?

Undisclosed injury.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Undisclosed injury.

Undisclosed crappiness.

 

[kovazub94]

The knock on having players develop in the KHL is the way the game is played there. In Sweden it is much more like North American hockey, with each player taught defensive responsibility and expected to forecheck/backcheck/play positionally strong on defense. Which is why players that develop in Sweden come over to NA very well-rounded.

In the KHL, however, it seems to be more where players are given specific roles. Players with great offensive instincts/hands are told to play offense-first, players who don't have those skills or are better defensively are told to play defense-first. We see a lot more players coming from Russia who are lacking in one area of their game because they focus completely on the other while developing. And sometimes it even becomes a question of ego/willingness to learn. "What, ME backcheck?? Why would I do that? I score goals!"

I don't think you should generalize - Tarasenko developed 100% KHL and he's doing just fine by defense first oriented Blues. Plenty of Russian two way forwards developed through Russian leagues and played on Stanley Cup winning teams (hello Fedotenko). I don't think I need to name Datsuk or Fedorov or other superstars.

 

[Fitzy]

Undisclosed crappiness.

That would be Montezuma's revenge, then.

I will be seeing Tambellini play next weekend; hopefully both games but at least one of them.

 

[Ducksgo*]

How is Shane McColgan looking for you guys? I like to get updates on my SoCal players pretty hefty stats for the Saskatoon blades last season. Any updates by chance NYR fans? Thanks

 

[Trxjw]

Undisclosed crappiness.

Not really.

 

[Fitzy]

How is Shane McColgan looking for you guys? I like to get updates on my SoCal players pretty hefty stats for the Saskatoon blades last season. Any updates by chance NYR fans? Thanks

I feel like we didn't extend him a contract offer and he is anyone's game now.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Not really.

So it's just disclosed crappiness.

 

[nyr2k2]

How is Shane McColgan looking for you guys? I like to get updates on my SoCal players pretty hefty stats for the Saskatoon blades last season. Any updates by chance NYR fans? Thanks

We didn't offer him a contract, and he's now UFA. He didn't progress at all in the two years following his draft (less goal is his third and fourth season than his first and second). Maybe he can become a decent AHL player down the road, but he's more than likely an ECHL-caliber talent.

 

[nyr2k2]

I used to track the stats of the guys we had in our prospect camp, but stopped doing that because it seemed like most people didn't care. I just spent a few minutes taking a look at what this year's crop of invitees was doing, and none of the guys were doing anything noteworthy. The lone exception might be Ryan Faragher, the goalie for St. Cloud State. He has a 1.99 GAA and .923 SV% with a record of 8-1-1. I haven't seen him, but on stats alone he might be worth following.

 

[tbassler]

Buchnevich highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ_HVwk76IA

 

[nyr2k2]

Dylan McIlrath has 102 PIM in 18 games. That's tops in the entire AHL. Next highest are Zack Stortini and Brett Gallant, with 89 and 77, respectively. To put that in perspective, if he kept that pace up for 82 games he'd finish with 464 PIM. The NHL record is 472, by Dave Schultz. Brian McGrattan holds the AHL record with 551.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Dylan McIlrath has 102 PIM in 18 games. That's tops in the entire AHL. Next highest are Zack Stortini and Brett Gallant, with 89 and 77, respectively. To put that in perspective, if he kept that pace up for 82 games he'd finish with 464 PIM. The NHL record is 472, by Dave Schultz.

Isn't he a top D-man on the Pack? If so, that's not good at all.

 

[Raspewtin]

Dylan McIlrath has 102 PIM in 18 games. That's tops in the entire AHL. Next highest are Zack Stortini and Brett Gallant, with 89 and 77, respectively. To put that in perspective, if he kept that pace up for 82 games he'd finish with 464 PIM. The NHL record is 472, by Dave Schultz.

Jesus christ. I'd actually rather he cooled down on the fights. No need to fight useless players like Gallant or Stortini, in the NHL at least. I imagine it's not good for the Pack that he's in the box so often.

 

[NYR89]

Isn't he a top D-man on the Pack? If so, that's not good at all.

Dylan McIlrath has 102 PIM in 18 games. That's tops in the entire AHL. Next highest are Zack Stortini and Brett Gallant, with 89 and 77, respectively. To put that in perspective, if he kept that pace up for 82 games he'd finish with 464 PIM. The NHL record is 472, by Dave Schultz. Brian McGrattan holds the AHL record with 551.

It's impossible to tell if it's good or bad by just looking at the number. Is he racking up the minutes standing up for teammates or is he taking stupid penalties?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It's impossible to tell if it's good or bad by just looking at the number. Is he racking up the minutes standing up for teammates or is he taking stupid penalties?

One way or another, even if he's standing up for teammates it's not good to fight so often and sit in the box if you're one of a team's best D-men.

 

[Kakko]

In fairness, 27 of those came in the last game

 

[nyr2k2]

Yep, he has received a couple of misconduct penalties this season.

By my count, he's been in nine fights this season. They're pretty much all in defense of a teammate. You can argue the merits of that all you want, but he's not going out of his way to pick fights just for the sake of fighting. And he still logs plenty of minutes, and in my opinion, has been Hartford's best all-around defenseman this season.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Yep, he has received a couple of misconduct penalties this season.

By my count, he's been in nine fights this season. They're pretty much all in defense of a teammate. You can argue the merits of that all you want, but he's not going out of his way to pick fights just for the sake of fighting. And he still logs plenty of minutes, and in my opinion, has been Hartford's best all-around defenseman this season.

What do you think is his ceiling? Will he always just be a role player at best?

 

[Clown Fiesta]

I'd say most of McIlrath's PIMS are good PIMS.

Duclair threw a pretty nice hit the other night, can't post the YT link in my phone though.

 

[eco's bones]

Dylan McIlrath has 102 PIM in 18 games. That's tops in the entire AHL. Next highest are Zack Stortini and Brett Gallant, with 89 and 77, respectively. To put that in perspective, if he kept that pace up for 82 games he'd finish with 464 PIM. The NHL record is 472, by Dave Schultz. Brian McGrattan holds the AHL record with 551.

Brett Gallant doesn't play much. He has one function. Stortini is not a good player. He gets limited ice time. His NHL days are over.

The AHL I'd venture to say has more real goons per capita than the NHL. There's a lot of them looking for McIlrath. That being said by the time McIlrath got his 25 minutes worth of penalty minutes the other night--54 minutes of the game had elapsed--his team was down 3-0 and had generated all of 15 shots on goal--what's more there appears to have been some kind of line brawl--and he was on the ice when it happened. Asham being the initial fighter was the only one not thrown out. For the rest it would have been automatic. For some reason Dylan got a double game misconduct.

I have no issue with the way Dylan is playing or all the minutes he's accumulating. He's going to be a guy who fights a lot. No problem with that either and he seems to do it well.

 

[NYR Viper]

What do you think is his ceiling? Will he always just be a role player at best?

Top-4 Defensive RD. That is what he projects to be. Wouldn't surprise me if he played top-pairing as a complimentary d-man.

 

[Raspewtin]

Not to pump him up but McI would look great on McD's wing.