Prospect Info: 2013-2014 Rangers Prospects Thread *Part II* (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 1/31)

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Hockey sense is a blanket term people use when they can't figure out why they don't like a player.

It gets used to describe decision making, on-ice vision, playmaking ability, defensive prowess...

However you describe it, it's an overrated commodity for a power winger. Skate hard. Battle in the corners. Go to the net. Shoot the puck.

Regardless of whether or not Kreider needs to have hockey sense to be successful, anyone who watched him before the NHL knew he had excellent hockey sense.

That essentially proves someone that is paid by ESPN to analyze prospects for the NHL has no idea what they are talking about.
 
Regardless of whether or not Kreider needs to have hockey sense to be successful, anyone who watched him before the NHL knew he had excellent hockey sense.

That essentially proves someone that is paid by ESPN to analyze prospects for the NHL has no idea what they are talking about.

Personally, I've always felt the Kreider lacks natural hockey sense, in that he isn't ever going to make dynamic/creative plays/passes.

I think he's a guy who is very smart though, and with the right coach and some time, can learn to play in a system and know what decisions to make. Once he gets that part down (like he has this year), his physical tools do the rest.
 
Personally, I've always felt the Kreider lacks natural hockey sense, in that he isn't ever going to make dynamic/creative plays/passes.

I think he's a guy who is very smart though, and with the right coach and some time, can learn to play in a system and know what decisions to make. Once he gets that part down (like he has this year), his physical tools do the rest.


This time last year, Kreider's hockey sense was awful. He looked lost in Hartford. Tried to stickhandle, ran into opponents, gave up the puck, and then stood there looking lost.

When he played the north-south game using his speed and shot, he was incredibly effective, but he just didn't do it.

Kenny G didn't know what to do with him (or anyone else, for that matter).
 
Personally, I've always felt the Kreider lacks natural hockey sense, in that he isn't ever going to make dynamic/creative plays/passes.

I think he's a guy who is very smart though, and with the right coach and some time, can learn to play in a system and know what decisions to make. Once he gets that part down (like he has this year), his physical tools do the rest.

Have you watched him this year? Because he's made a lot of great passes. His passes are hard and on the tape more often than not. He's probably our best player at digging the puck out and getting it back to the point.
 
Have you watched him this year? Because he's made a lot of great passes. His passes are hard and on the tape more often than not. He's probably our best player at digging the puck out and getting it back to the point.

Did the exact same thing in college. But the hockey sense meme persisted.

He took awhile to adjust to the college level. Not too far off from what we saw with the Rangers. But he improved.
 
Have you watched him this year? Because he's made a lot of great passes. His passes are hard and on the tape more often than not. He's probably our best player at digging the puck out and getting it back to the point.

Kreider is very good at getting the puck to whoever is open, which is one of my favorite attributes of his. He's not flashy, but he gets it to you. Unfortunately his linemates have been **** most of the year and his passes haven't been as effective as they should.
 
Have you watched him this year? Because he's made a lot of great passes. His passes are hard and on the tape more often than not. He's probably our best player at digging the puck out and getting it back to the point.

He comes out of the corners with the puck clean a lot of the time. IMO--his size, strength, skating allow him to win battles and put distance between someone checking him. Gives him more time to look and make plays and he'll make a safe play out to the point instead of forcing the play into traffic. Mixes it up anyway.

I actually like him with Stepan and Nash. Nash doesn't quite have Chris's speed but one on one with a defender he's got lots of moves. Kreider on the left side can just blow past defenders. The Rangers can make quick strikes both on the left and right side at anytime when that line is on the ice. The best way to defend against that is what TB did last night--clog the neutral zone and all the way back to your net if necessary.
 
This time last year, Kreider's hockey sense was awful. He looked lost in Hartford. Tried to stickhandle, ran into opponents, gave up the puck, and then stood there looking lost.

When he played the north-south game using his speed and shot, he was incredibly effective, but he just didn't do it.

Kenny G didn't know what to do with him (or anyone else, for that matter).

His hockey sense wasn't awful. It's not an attribute that fluctuates on a monthly basis.

He was playing timid, unconfident and uninspired. Big difference.

In college he was frequently making NHL-caliber passes that his teammates simply weren't expecting. There's a lot less touch passing and ahead-of-the-play passing in college hockey. Kreider had a difficult time in college hockey overall.
 
It's been my contention for the longest time that many, many people were confusing a lack of "hockey sense" for Kreider simply being slow to adjust to new levels of play. Players don't suddenly develop hockey sense. It's either something you have, or something you don't. Comfort level, adaptability, experience. Those are things that players can improve upon over time. That's what we're seeing with Kreider.

I mentioned years ago that he basically went from Prep star to playing against the world's best in his age group to playing against NHL professionals all within one year of being drafted. That's a hell of a lot of hockey to process, and you could see that he really took a step back in his sophomore season after riding the adrenaline high through his post-draft year. He became less of a "toolsy" player that got by on skill and size, and more of a student of the game.

He's never lacked in the hockey sense department. What he has lacked is a natural ability to figure out how he fits into a system. He's such a smart kid, but in turn that means that he overthinks everything. The best hockey he played under Tortorella were the games fresh out of school where they told him simply to try and create scoring chances and chase down the puck. Then last year he just had so many things to work on, that he got away from just playing the game. I think AV has a style of coaching that's much better suited to Kreider and how he processes the game.
 
anyone find it odd that the Rangers have not drafted a player from Finland in 10 years?? Korpikoski... is that normal for an NHL team to avoid a country like that.. you think since the Rangers need more speed they would draft some good skaters from the leagues in Finland. just looking back at old drafts and found that strange.
 
The easiest way to get tagged with "lacks hockey sense" is to go through a very rough period where you lose your confidence. You start thinking about what you are doing and you look a step behind everything. That's one reason why so many teams trade for players going through tough times because a change of scenery and the fresh start it brings can restore confidence and what do you know; hockey sense returns! Magically.

Paging Mr. Del, Zotto.
 
Duclair was officially named an alternate today. A year ago, he was suspended by his teammates and now he was named as a leader by them. Props to him. :handclap:
 
Duclair was officially named an alternate today. A year ago, he was suspended by his teammates and now he was named as a leader by them. Props to him. :handclap:

I'm curious--he had an A on his sweater at various intervals throughout this season. Is this some official designation where he'll be an alternate each game from here out?
 
I'm curious--he had an A on his sweater at various intervals throughout this season. Is this some official designation where he'll be an alternate each game from here out?

The real C and A's at the beginning of the season were Culkin, Donnelly, Etchegary and Turnbull. When Etchegary and Turnbull were injured, Duclair got it for a couple of games. Then Culkin, Donnelly and Turnbull were traded away a few weeks ago. Different players wore letters since then. Etchegary was officially named captain today with 4 alternates. Duclair will have the A on the red jersey.
 
It's been my contention for the longest time that many, many people were confusing a lack of "hockey sense" for Kreider simply being slow to adjust to new levels of play. Players don't suddenly develop hockey sense. It's either something you have, or something you don't. Comfort level, adaptability, experience. Those are things that players can improve upon over time. That's what we're seeing with Kreider.

I mentioned years ago that he basically went from Prep star to playing against the world's best in his age group to playing against NHL professionals all within one year of being drafted. That's a hell of a lot of hockey to process, and you could see that he really took a step back in his sophomore season after riding the adrenaline high through his post-draft year. He became less of a "toolsy" player that got by on skill and size, and more of a student of the game.

He's never lacked in the hockey sense department. What he has lacked is a natural ability to figure out how he fits into a system. He's such a smart kid, but in turn that means that he overthinks everything. The best hockey he played under Tortorella were the games fresh out of school where they told him simply to try and create scoring chances and chase down the puck. Then last year he just had so many things to work on, that he got away from just playing the game. I think AV has a style of coaching that's much better suited to Kreider and how he processes the game.

Good analysis, just needed to adjust to the lack of time/space and learn D zone coverage. Love that new mean streak now, rookie deference period is over.
 
Minnesota is playing Ohio State outdoors tonight in Minnesota. Big Ten network. 9pm.

Not a great game, those kids were fighting frozen elements. No really, their jerseys were actually frozen, that's Minnesota for ya, you betcha.

Skjei was ok. That's my new mantra it seems. I still don't see any one jump out between Skjei, Reilly, Marshall and Brodzinski, all have been their best D on any given night. Well, at least in the 10 or more games I've seen.

The player of the game in my eyes was Matt Tomkins, Ohio State goalie who made 26 saves and let in a fluke goal. He made some nice looking saves while making it look easy. Good positioning. And of course he was a 2012 7th rounder selected by the Hawks. Those useless 7th rounders, they mean nothing i'm told :p:
 
how has calle andersson been playing this year? what would the second tier of swedish hockey compare to in the hockey world?
 
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