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Prospect Info: 2013-2014 Rangers Prospects Thread *Part II* (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 1/31)

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Tambellini wasnt getting ice time because he stunk and was knocked off the puck with ease. The three games i watched were a disaster.

Not a good sign. He quit at a sign of adversity. Calgary is an elite team in the WHL. What challenges will he face there?

Thats why I'm so high on Nieves. He was a freshman on a rebuild year for Berenson and earned his way up the depth chart.

Third round pick. We only treat him like he's some sort of touted prospect because he was out first pick. The Rangers bypassed better talent IMO.
 
Tambellini could have had issues with the team or vice versa. We may never know. I can empathize with a person who needs a change of scenery.

The only facts we know is that he wasn't playing well, which is common for college freshmen the first few months of the season.

He needs to bulk up. There's skill there but I dont think he will be ready anytime soon.
 
SergeConstantin74 said:
They're great numbers in the Q these days. 100 points players are more uncommon than 10-15 years ago, especially at 18. Only 4 did it last season, 2 did it in 2011-12 and 3 in 2010-11. Of those 9 players, 6 were overagers, 1 was 19, 1 was named Drouin (17 yo) and 1 was named Huberdeau (18 yo)

As an example, Mantha had 50 goals and 39 assists in 67 games last year at the same age.

In 10 years, only 5 players have scored 58 goals or more. 3 were overagers, 1 was named Radulov (19 yo) and 1 was named Crosby (17 yo).
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That's crazy. I don't think I've seen your projection on who Duclair become like.
 
I didn't see any of Tambellini's college games. Maybe he didn't mesh with the system, maybe the coach didn't want to play him because of his youth, maybe he was just a disaster as said above. However it seems odd that Calagary would trade its first for him without scouting or if he was that awful. Also in one game with the Hitmen he scored as many points as he did with UND in 16 games, so I guess we should just see what happens.
 
GWOW said:
Tambellini wasnt getting ice time because he stunk and was knocked off the puck with ease. The three games i watched were a disaster.

Not a good sign. He quit at a sign of adversity. Calgary is an elite team in the WHL. What challenges will he face there?

Thats why I'm so high on Nieves. He was a freshman on a rebuild year for Berenson and earned his way up the depth chart.

Third round pick. We only treat him like he's some sort of touted prospect because he was out first pick. The Rangers bypassed better talent IMO.
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Nieves was drafted at #59 and Tambellini at #65, so essentially the same thing. For Nieves to come in and strike gold right away was very impressive.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
How old is Mantha and what team is he a prospect for?
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19 going on 20, Wings prospect.

He is also 6' 5" and hovers around 200 pounds. Has a tendency to be really lazy and inconsistent effort wise from shift to shift. He has his faults, but he's a damn exciting prospect.
 
Just to boil it down for those of us who do not follow this prospect that closely.

WHY?

What are the factors besides the stats that really stand out about this kid?

What has he done to turn around the perception that his development had stalled?

Maybe it's just as simple as he's putting up a wagon load of points.

Just asking if anyone would care to go in depth.
 
Pizza said:
Just to boil it down for those of us who do not follow this prospect that closely.

WHY?

What are the factors besides the stats that really stand out about this kid?

What has he done to turn around the perception that his development had stalled?

Maybe it's just as simple as he's putting up a wagon load of points.

Just asking if anyone would care to go in depth.
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His skill set is a huge asset, and he's multi dimensional. Something our hyped up junior prospects as of late lacked.

Amazing skater, great offensive instincts, willingness to fight for pucks and space, good-to above average defensive awareness, some physicality, acting as a leader on a mediocre team. There's a lot to like about him as a package.

His development didn't really stall. He had a rough year last year, with an ankle injury that changed his game for most of the year, and prevalent attitude issues that he seems to have gotten past. That, and if your stats drop your draft year for any reason, you're likely to drop a round.

But there's pages of discussion on why he's a good prospect, go read them.
 
Pizza said:
Just to boil it down for those of us who do not follow this prospect that closely.

WHY?

What are the factors besides the stats that really stand out about this kid?

What has he done to turn around the perception that his development had stalled?

Maybe it's just as simple as he's putting up a wagon load of points.

Just asking if anyone would care to go in depth.
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Last season Quebec hit a wall when Grigorenko left and they started losing lots of games. Duclair and another teammate, Adam Erne who's a Tampa Bay pick, got suspended by their teammates because of 'bad attitude'. It shouldn't have reached the media but it did. The two players apologized to their teammates and it was over. They didn't even miss a game, only a practice. After that incident, the team went on winning lots of games. However, that kind of event tends to hurt you in your draft year. To scouts, Duclair and Erne stayed the kids with bad attitude so they both dropped in the draft. Erne should have been a 1st pick but fell to 2nd round. Duclair should have been at least a 2nd pick but fell to 3rd round.

Duclair's points production also dropped significantly in the second part of last season. That didn't help his draft stock either. http://theqmjhl.ca/roster/gameByGame/id/8559/ls_season/171

He often seemed frustrated last season when things didn't go his way. Something that we're not seeing this season. Consistency was an issue and it isn't this season. He's just a normal kid growing up and a young player developing.

When they were 15, Drouin and Duclair were considered pretty much equal. They were playing on the same team at 15. I think it got to Duclair seeing Drouin getting the praises and the top prospect status and not him.

He seems to have learned about his past mistakes. It doesn't mean he won't make other mistakes in the future but it's encouraging to see he can grow up learning from his mistakes.
 
Pizza said:
Just to boil it down for those of us who do not follow this prospect that closely.

WHY?

What are the factors besides the stats that really stand out about this kid?

What has he done to turn around the perception that his development had stalled?

Maybe it's just as simple as he's putting up a wagon load of points.

Just asking if anyone would care to go in depth.
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Four games into his 17 years old season, he injured himself pretty seriously to an ankle while driving the net. That made him miss the whole month of october and the first week of november. He was decently good when he came back, but seemed afraid of playing his previous, promising style and generally didn't show the extra step some people (namely, I) wanted to see from him.

He then went on a huge cold streak, starting somewhere in the second half of december. At some point in the following weeks, he had a single point in 12 games. He and Erne were suspended for a practice, as demanded by the veterans of the team. That likely wasn't all on the two players as the whole team was down at the time, but it probably had some base and it proved to be a key period. Duclair didn't pick it up right after that incident.

Not in terms of performances. However, in terms of effort and «working ethic», it sure did. An article came out at the time, making mention of Patrick Roy doing extra practice time alone with Duclair to help him improve. And it did bear fruits, for anyone watching him play regularly. He found back most of what he hadn't shown in a while, and by the end of the season, he had reached the kind of progression I wanted to see him achieve. But confidence isn't always easy to recover, and the points total didn't reflect his progression. 14 points in 16 games, less than he deserved. I have to specify that at the time, the team had morphed into a more defensive style, which was uncharacteristic of Roy's coaching, but still not the kind of numbers he could have had.

And then the playoffs came, and the chemistry the team had developped proved to be fragile. Some mention it was because the team laid back because of Grigorenko's return. It may have been a lukewarm streak at an inopportune time. Who knows. Duclair was no exception, and had OK playoffs with 8 points in 11 games. Not really his wrong. But it probably wasn't the kind of performance he needed to have scouts trust him that much more.

In the end, he showed more promises at the end of the season than an unattentive eye would perceive. He was drafted too far, in my opinion, if only by comparing with Erne who wasn't that far ahead of him. Mid to late 2nd it should have been; end of 3rd it was.

Duclair should be asked how the summer went, because I do not know how he felt. Did the late drafting fire him up? Did the pressure lower after the draft was finally done? Did he just go about with his training? All the same, he came to camp ready, with his style present as ever and with an exemplary attitude. The rest is «normal» development process. Although there is nothing ordinary with his play.

Incredible speed, good to very good stickhandling, but more importantly, the ability to satisfyingly exhibit both at once. A nose made for the net and very good game reading skills allow him to use his speed to affect the play in more than a way. Keeping his stick active at all times further enhance that quality. He's not perfect though: his passing hasn't been stellar this year (although not horrible either), his slapshot is no where to be seen and he isn't the most physical (not the least either). But in all three cases, he finds way to compensate. He's good enough to keep the puck a bit longer if he so needs. His wristshot is good enough and fits his style better. He finds ways to use his stick skills to win contested pucks. When all is said and done, he has the tools, and it seems like he knows where to be heading now. How far he can go is mostly up to him... and the open-mindedness of people directing him. In the long run, if he is to be used under a conventional «Tortorella» mindset, I do not know how well his style would adapt. Explains a lot if you ask me, see WJHC.

Well, I hope that was entertaining.
 
Raspewtin said:
His skill set is a huge asset, and he's multi dimensional. Something our hyped up junior prospects as of late lacked.

Amazing skater, great offensive instincts, willingness to fight for pucks and space, good-to above average defensive awareness, some physicality, acting as a leader on a mediocre team. There's a lot to like about him as a package.

His development didn't really stall. He had a rough year last year, with an ankle injury that changed his game for most of the year, and prevalent attitude issues that he seems to have gotten past. That, and if your stats drop your draft year for any reason, you're likely to drop a round.

But there's pages of discussion on why he's a good prospect, go read them.
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Thanks. Any suggestions are welcome.
 
Fogarty in action tonight against Talbots alma mater. Looks lost and disinterested. Its on NBC sports.

Nieves and Michigan have a huge game on BTN right now against Wisconsin. Nagelvoort whatever just let in a horrid goal 1-0 UW
 
Does Duclair have some ridiculous point streak or are only the games where he gets a point posted? Seems like he has a point, hell a goal, in every game.
 
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