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Pre-Game Talk: 2013-2014 Rangers pre-season discussion

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16 To Stanley said:
If Pyatt's on the top line I will literally die.
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Challenge.

I think he's high up on AV's depth chart, noted specifically by the 'A' he was wearing. Maybe that's just because he's a veteran, but I find it hard to believe AV would give a guy an 'A' who wasn't destined to make the team in some capacity (this also applies to Dom Moore who was given an 'A').

Obviously I don't think Pyatt belongs on the top line. I do think, however, with the given talent available, he's a fit there.

Let us not forget the start to the season that Pyatt got off to last year (3 goals in the first 4 games... and then 3 more for the rest of the season :laugh: ). He could be the new Aaron Voros :laugh:

I like the cohesion of Pouliot-Brass-Zucc too much to break them up yet, and I don't want to throw a kid like Kreider, Miller, Hrivik, or Fast into the fire on the top line with Richie-Nash; a spot where there is so much pressure to perform. It's a spot better suited for a veteran, even one with less offensive talent.

My $0.02
 
ColonialsHockey10 said:
The only thing Dorsett does better is hit.

Prust is a better player, fighter, shotblocker, penalty killer and he doesn't take dumb penalties like Dorsett does (which we will get used to soon enough). Prust is also a great leader, already wearing the A in Montreal.

I like Dorsett as a 4th liner a lot. But for anyone to argue they are close in terms of value is a great example of selective memory.
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Agree fully. Prust is the more effective player by a good margin.
 
AV has used Pyatt in preseason on the penalty kill. It's been at the very least two years since Pyatt has done that. In respect to Mashinter or Haley--Haley has been killing them. I don't know about Mashinter.

With Stepan, Hagelin and Callahan missing this is something of a concern. Boyle, Moore, Dorsett, Powe--if he doesn't get cut, Pyatt?, Nash?, Mashinter?, Miller?, Lindberg?, Fast?, Hrivik? --and not Brassard, Richards, Kreider, Asham, Zuccarello. Something to think about anyway. At least two of that group of ? marks are going to have to have that job regularly until the time that Stepan, Hagelin and Callahan start coming back.
 
silverfish said:
Challenge.

I think he's high up on AV's depth chart, noted specifically by the 'A' he was wearing. Maybe that's just because he's a veteran, but I find it hard to believe AV would give a guy an 'A' who wasn't destined to make the team in some capacity (this also applies to Dom Moore who was given an 'A').

Obviously I don't think Pyatt belongs on the top line. I do think, however, with the given talent available, he's a fit there.

Let us not forget the start to the season that Pyatt got off to last year (3 goals in the first 4 games... and then 3 more for the rest of the season :laugh: ). He could be the new Aaron Voros :laugh:

I like the cohesion of Pouliot-Brass-Zucc too much to break them up yet, and I don't want to throw a kid like Kreider, Miller, Hrivik, or Fast into the fire on the top line with Richie-Nash; a spot where there is so much pressure to perform. It's a spot better suited for a veteran, even one with less offensive talent.

My $0.02
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Have to say that it's really weird that this makes sense but it does.
 
silverfish said:
Challenge.

I think he's high up on AV's depth chart, noted specifically by the 'A' he was wearing. Maybe that's just because he's a veteran, but I find it hard to believe AV would give a guy an 'A' who wasn't destined to make the team in some capacity (this also applies to Dom Moore who was given an 'A').

Obviously I don't think Pyatt belongs on the top line. I do think, however, with the given talent available, he's a fit there.

Let us not forget the start to the season that Pyatt got off to last year (3 goals in the first 4 games... and then 3 more for the rest of the season :laugh: ). He could be the new Aaron Voros :laugh:

I like the cohesion of Pouliot-Brass-Zucc too much to break them up yet, and I don't want to throw a kid like Kreider, Miller, Hrivik, or Fast into the fire on the top line with Richie-Nash; a spot where there is so much pressure to perform. It's a spot better suited for a veteran, even one with less offensive talent.

My $0.02
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About 10 guys have worn A's.

Staal
Girardi
Nash
Richards
D. Moore
Pyatt
Boyle
 
And while i understand the logic behind your post, i'd much rather have a kid up there than a guy who is frankly proven to be a 4th liner on this team.
 
NYR2007 said:
Prust and Boyle playing so well that year got us to be the Eastern Conf. Champs
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You win the award for "oversimplification of the year". They helped; let's not blow it out of proportion. I'm thinking Hank, Danny G and McD and even CK were more instrumental in that success. btw, we were not Eastern Conf Champs, the Devils were.
 
Without Callahan, Stepan and Hagelin, I would go with this,


Kreider--Brassard--Nash
Pouliot--Richards--Zuccarello
Fast--Lindberg--Miller
Boyle--Moore--Dorsett

When Stepan signs, keep whoever plays the best between Lindberg and Miller.
 
I'll give Dorsett the benefit of the doubt because he was coming off an injury last year and I know Columbus fans were high on him.

I feel like Dorsett is a more of a pest than Prust, but Prust is the more complete player of the two.
 
OverTheCap said:
I'll give Dorsett the benefit of the doubt because he was coming off an injury last year and I know Columbus fans were high on him.

I feel like Dorsett is a more of a pest than Prust, but Prust is the more complete player of the two.
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How? Dorsett is more offensively talented (his 13 goal season is a mirage and well never happen again), a better skater, a PK'er, hits more, fights more than Prust (although he's not a better fighter), he's also one of the league's best trash talkers IMO. Seriously what does he lack that Prust has?
 
Raspewtin said:
How? Dorsett is more offensively talented (his 13 goal season is a mirage and well never happen again), a better skater, a PK'er, hits more, fights more than Prust (although he's not a better fighter), he's also one of the league's best trash talkers IMO. Seriously what does he lack that Prust has?
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Prust is the better penalty killer and better fighter.

That is what i will give him.
 
Raspewtin said:
How? Dorsett is more offensively talented (his 13 goal season is a mirage and well never happen again), a better skater, a PK'er, hits more, fights more than Prust (although he's not a better fighter), he's also one of the league's best trash talkers IMO. Seriously what does he lack that Prust has?
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Prust is a better PKer and defensive player IMO. In terms of offense, Prust and Dorsett's points-per-game is nearly identical - Prust's is actually slightly higher. And for we all know, Dorsett may never put up a 12 goal season again either. Prust is also a little bigger than Dorsett.

Things like trash talking, fighting, and hits are why I said Dorsett is the better pest.
 
NYR Viper said:
A player who was a similar age maybe in the Yogan mold? Too much for a promising young dman?
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Kundratek said he wanted to leave. The destroys a guys value.

And he wasn't that promising. Rangers fans overrated him.

He was going to be at best a #4.
 
Dorsett and Prust fill the same general role on teams, was my point. It wasn't a blow for blow comparison. Prust may be a better PKer but in general their role is to play tough and stir things up and fight some guys now and then and maybe put in a few goals since they have skills greater than zero. A guy like Dorsett is about as close as you're going to get to replacing someone like Prust in your lineup.

And it doesn't really matter now since he's not a Rangers, and it's kind of a fluke thing in general, but Prust's recent injury problems and shoulder problems worry me quite a bit. For a guy who owes a large part of his game to fighting, having a bum shoulder is a big red flag.
 
silverfish said:
Had higher hopes for Haley. I think he deserves a real shot finally. Would rather him up here than Pyatt, in all honesty.

Like the shape of the 9 D remaining. Hope Allen can beat out one of Bickel or Falk for the final spot in the top 8. Though, it might be more wise to have him playing every day in the AHL, and Bickel up here since he can spot in at wing also :dunno:

Thing is, an injury to a D (god forbid) and I put in Allen before Falk and Bickel anyway at the rate they've all played.
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Agree with all of this. Allen playing so well means he should be in the A, for sure. let him continue to develop. We don't need him to "sit" when we can just let Stu Bickel sit (and rot while he's at it, since he will never be an NHLer outside of the Rangers apparently)
 
Mashinter will be the next Orr here.. i bet he stays on the roster due to the fact that Rangers dont really have a guy with size that can actually fight and not lose like Brian Boyle.
 
Punxrocknyc19 said:
Mashinter will be the next Orr here.. i bet he stays on the roster due to the fact that Rangers dont really have a guy with size that can actually fight and not lose like Brian Boyle.
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We didn't have one most of last season. Didn't seem to phase the front office.
 
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