2013-2014 NFL Thread IV (Giants firing Gilbride? Skins want Fewell?; Jets keep Rex)

[nyrleetch]

Geno's quote in the Post today certainly is head-scratching.

“I have complete confidence in myself,†he said. “I think it’s been a tough three weeks, but I think I am the best option for this team. With the way I work and the progress we’ve made as an offense, I know as of late we haven’t produced on the field.â€

This one?

Yeah. What progress exactly? Unless 1 touchdown pass in 7 weeks in progress.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I think I am the best option for this team. With the way I work and the progress we’ve made as an offense, I know as of late we haven’t produced on the field.

This one?

Yeah. What progress exactly? Unless 1 touchdown pass in 7 weeks in progress.

The bolded part.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I don't disagree, I just think it's a shame.

The days of having a dominating front four are over. It's time to get the Giants D younger, faster, and more agile.

Moving to the 3-4 accomplishes that (assuming the drafting of a LB in the 1st round this off-season, that doesn't have to be [but should be] Khalil Mack)

I vastly prefer the 4-3 to the 3-4. It's a much better system at getting to the QB. However, I'd like to see some 3-4 looks now and then and I think this team is missing that.

We won't move to the 3-4 because of one draft pick. We'd need an entire re-build as we have no 3-4 players at all. And that's not happening.

 

[silverfish]

I vastly prefer the 4-3 to the 3-4. It's a much better system at getting to the QB. However, I'd like to see some 3-4 looks now and then and I think this team is missing that.

We won't move to the 3-4 because of one draft pick. We'd need an entire re-build as we have no 3-4 players at all. And that's not happening.

If you have time to, teach me - I'm a noob here.

From an assumptive standpoint, I'd think a 3-4 d scheme requires:

- Fast and athletic defensive lineman (JPP, Moore)
- Fast and athletic Linebackers (Williams, Rivers, Paysinger - meh maybe not as much as the other two)
- Strong top two corners (Prince, ______)
- Ball hawk safeties (Rolle, Brown - big time)

I just imagine the blitz patterns we'd be able to work in with guys like JPP, Moore, Beason, and Mack (I'm sorry I keep pumping this pipe dream).

I think Colinsworth brought it up last night that when the Giants blitz, opposing QBs have a QBR of less than 50.

Let's get fast and young, and get back to getting back to the QB on the regular.

On a complete side note, when the Giants are mathematically eliminated, are we going to see Nassib get some looks? Let Eli take the first snap to keep his ironman streak going, and get Nassib some reps.

 

[TheTakedown]

Not at all. Dallas are historical chokers late in the season. Only two games back of them and Philly now.

There's 4 weeks, and knowing both of these teams and their track records, it's completely possible that one of them is going to lose the next 3 games... My money is on Philly for that chokefest.

Carolina will end up with the first one for sure. The second is still up for grabs depending on how Philly, SanFran, Dallas, and NYGiants all play out in the last 4 weeks of the season.

So, it's still possible

 

[broadwayblue]

Giants are just like the Rangers...season is over but they will do what they can to get the worst possible draft pick. lol

 

[Hunter Gathers]

If you have time to, teach me - I'm a noob here.

From an assumptive standpoint, I'd think a 3-4 d scheme requires:

- Fast and athletic defensive lineman (JPP, Moore)
- Fast and athletic Linebackers (Williams, Rivers, Paysinger - meh maybe not as much as the other two)
- Strong top two corners (Prince, ______)
- Ball hawk safeties (Rolle, Brown - big time)

I just imagine the blitz patterns we'd be able to work in with guys like JPP, Moore, Beason, and Mack (I'm sorry I keep pumping this pipe dream).

I think Colinsworth brought it up last night that when the Giants blitz, opposing QBs have a QBR of less than 50.

Let's get fast and young, and get back to getting back to the QB on the regular.

On a complete side note, when the Giants are mathematically eliminated, are we going to see Nassib get some looks? Let Eli take the first snap to keep his ironman streak going, and get Nassib some reps.

Neither Moore nor JPP are good 3-4 DEs. You want a gigantic nose tackle (which we don't have -- Anvil may be adequate but not ideal) along with two bigger DEs. JPP and Moore are both agile pass rushers. They'd be a bit of a waste in a 3-4 unless you play JPP as a 3-4 rush LB (which would completely defeat the point of drafting Mack as a 3-4 rush LB, obviously).

The only LB that we have who could really fit a 3-4 system is Williams. We'd need either 2 rush OLBs (or 1 if we move JPP) and 4 3-4 DEs (3 if we move JPP). We just don't have the personnel to make the switch and I don't see what it does for us, anyway. Unless you have a monster rush LB like Lawrence Taylor, I would rather run a 4-3.

4-3 is generally better for blitzing the QB while 3-4 is better at stopping the run. The problem is our 4-3 guys really have sucked lately and Fewell's schemes aren't helping.

I prefer the 4-3 over the 3-4.

Our GM is a 4-3 guy. It's not going to happen.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Giants are just like the Rangers...season is over but they will do what they can to get the worst possible draft pick. lol

The Rangers' season is over?

 

[silverfish]

Neither Moore nor JPP are good 3-4 DEs. You want a gigantic nose tackle (which we don't have -- Anvil may be adequate but not ideal) along with two bigger DEs. JPP and Moore are both agile pass rushers. They'd be a bit of a waste in a 3-4 unless you play JPP as a 3-4 rush LB (which would completely defeat the point of drafting Mack as a 3-4 rush LB, obviously).

The only LB that we have who could really fit a 3-4 system is Williams. We'd need either 2 rush OLBs (or 1 if we move JPP) and 4 3-4 DEs (3 if we move JPP). We just don't have the personnel to make the switch and I don't see what it does for us, anyway. Unless you have a monster rush LB like Lawrence Taylor, I would rather run a 4-3.

4-3 is generally better for blitzing the QB while 3-4 is better at stopping the run. The problem is our 4-3 guys really have sucked lately and Fewell's schemes aren't helping.

I prefer the 4-3 over the 3-4.

Our GM is a 4-3 guy. It's not going to happen.

Cool! Thanks, Jon.

 

[broadwayblue]

The Rangers' season is over?

When did I say that? In years past when the Rangers were terrible we were just good enough to not get a top 10 pick most of the time. The Giants aren't making the playoffs this year, but they'll likely win 3 of 4 or so to drop another 5 spots in the draft order.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

If you have time to, teach me - I'm a noob here.

From an assumptive standpoint, I'd think a 3-4 d scheme requires:

- Fast and athletic defensive lineman (JPP, Moore)
- Fast and athletic Linebackers (Williams, Rivers, Paysinger - meh maybe not as much as the other two)
- Strong top two corners (Prince, ______)
- Ball hawk safeties (Rolle, Brown - big time)

I just imagine the blitz patterns we'd be able to work in with guys like JPP, Moore, Beason, and Mack (I'm sorry I keep pumping this pipe dream).

I think Colinsworth brought it up last night that when the Giants blitz, opposing QBs have a QBR of less than 50.

Let's get fast and young, and get back to getting back to the QB on the regular.

On a complete side note, when the Giants are mathematically eliminated, are we going to see Nassib get some looks? Let Eli take the first snap to keep his ironman streak going, and get Nassib some reps.

Imagine the offensive line is a tidal wave. You want a giant sack of sand to stop it and hold it back. So the D line in a 3-4 needs to be big especially the nose tackle in the middle of it all. Usually the nose's job isn't to make a tackle it's to block 1, 2 or sometimes 3 of the offensive lineman . An Olineman who is stuck fighting a Nosetackle can't block a LB. Usually you have 1 bulkier Inside Linebacker to take up another blocker and stuff the hole so a RB can't get through. Then you have a more athletic ILB to make the plays, cover the pass and get the glory. The OLB's need to be able to cover some ground in coverage and it really helps if one can pass rush well. They also usually work with the DE's to make sure the RB doesn't bounce a run to the outside (Something the Jets were pretty bad at the last few years altho it has not been an issue this year)

Guys like JPP and the entire Jets Dline are freaks of nature. Massive guys with tremendous athelticism. They have the ability to eat blocks and shed them to make plays. It's something else to watch. Every1 thinks about how the offensive lineman block for the RB and Qb but the Dline often block for the LB's

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I generally like running a 4-3 with a NT and a DT instead of two DTs.

 

[silverfish]

Imagine the offensive line is a tidal wave. You want a giant sack of sand to stop it and hold it back. So the D line in a 3-4 needs to be big especially the nose tackle in the middle of it all. Usually the nose's job isn't to make a tackle it's to block 1, 2 or sometimes 3 of the offensive lineman . An Olineman who is stuck fighting a Nosetackle can't block a LB. Usually you have 1 bulkier Inside Linebacker to take up another blocker and stuff the hole so a RB can't get through. Then you have a more athletic ILB to make the plays, cover the pass and get the glory. The OLB's need to be able to cover some ground in coverage and it really helps if one can pass rush well. They also usually work with the DE's to make sure the RB doesn't bounce a run to the outside (Something the Jets were pretty bad at the last few years altho it has not been an issue this year)

Guys like JPP and the entire Jets Dline are freaks of nature. Massive guys with tremendous athelticism. They have the ability to eat blocks and shed them to make plays. It's something else to watch. Every1 thinks about how the offensive lineman block for the RB and Qb but the Dline often block for the LB's

Okay, cool. I was thinking athletic, athletic, athletic, but with less guys on the D-line, it makes sense to have a massive anchor in the middle to hold up some of the Olinemen.

I just want a defense of speed, tenacity, and playmakers. It's why I thought the 3-4 might do the Giants well in getting added athleticism on the field. But I guess...

CB: Amukamara
FS: Brown
SS: Rolle
CB: Webster/TT
OLB: Mack ( )
ILB: Rivers
ILB: Beason
OLB: Williams
DE: JPP
NT:
DE: Moore

Doesn't really work...

Lining up Mack and JPP on the same side would give offensive lines fits though, I gotta say

 

[Hunter Gathers]

The problem is you waste JPP using him as a DE next to Mack. Neither Moore nor JPP are 3-4 players.

 

[silverfish]

The problem is you waste JPP using him as a DE next to Mack. Neither Moore nor JPP are 3-4 players.

Unfortunate. Too many holes to fill. I guess I just want something new. I'm tired of the same old, same old - especially when it isn't working. Tough conversation to have the day after Tuck drops four sacks though

 

[park rangers]

I generally like running a 4-3 with a NT and a DT instead of two DTs.

That would have been ideal before the Gmen signed Beason. A team lacking a solid rush stopping MLB really needs a big DT or NT to stop the rush up the middle.

 

[park rangers]

The future of the Giants D looks a lot brighter than the O at this moment. Just resign Beason, sign/draft a legit starting CB and another OLB. Our line still looks very solid even for next year.

Since we got Beason, the D has been very good.

 

[silverfish]

Since we got Beason, the D has been very good.

I agree with you, but isn't that so amazing? Like, blows my mind. An average ILB comes in - and let's be honest, Beason is average - and it completely changes the D.

If Dan Connor stayed healthy, I don't think the Giants would be 5-7 right now, but probably closer to 7-5.

Also, 5-0 when Peyton Hillis is active Should make Hillis or Jacobs an OLB

 

[park rangers]

I agree with you, but isn't that so amazing? Like, blows my mind. An average ILB comes in - and let's be honest, Beason is average - and it completely changes the D.

If Dan Connor stayed healthy, I don't think the Giants would be 5-7 right now, but probably closer to 7-5.

Also, 5-0 when Peyton Hillis is active Should make Hillis or Jacobs an OLB

In no way is Beason average. He's been a beast for years and a pro bowler. He was replaced by one of the best MLBs in the game today, a younger/cheaper Luke Kuechly.

Carolina tried to switch Beason to OLB but he was out of place plus he cost a lot more than their other LB's.

He looks to be the best MLB the Giants have had in a while, drawing comparisons with Antonio Pierce.(yet Pierce was not nearly as athletic as Beason)

 

[silverfish]

In no way is Beason average. He's been a beast for years and a pro bowler. He was replaced by one of the best MLBs in the game today, a younger/cheaper Luke Kuechly.

Carolina tried to switch Beason to OLB but he was out of place plus he cost a lot more than their other LB's.

He looks to be the best MLB the Giants have had in a while, drawing comparisons with Antonio Pierce.(yet Pierce was not nearly as athletic as Beason)

I'm not as sold on him. I'd love to keep him around because he's the best we've had in a while, but I'm not sold on him yet. A few more games could change that, no doubt. He's the best LB we have right now though, no doubt about it.

The guy did have 17 total tackles yesterday That's insane.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Beason is a stud when he's healthy.

I'm already resigning myself to the inevitability of him getting resigned and then getting injured early next year.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Remember when the Jets selected Dewayne Robertson and tried to make him (a small DT) into the nose for a 3-4 system. He was just a washout in general but yea...good times. I would have killed my mother for Andre johnson that year. Really liked Terence Newman too. They of course went before and after Dewayne respectively at 3 and 5

 

[Fitzy]

Kiwanuka with his experience is a Perfect fit for 3-4 OLB.

Beason replacing a very, very mediocre Herzlich was the story of the season on defense.

 

[RangersHank*]

Remember when the Jets selected Dewayne Robertson and tried to make him (a small DT) into the nose for a 3-4 system. He was just a washout in general but yea...good times. I would have killed my mother for Andre johnson that year. Really liked Terence Newman too. They of course went before and after Dewayne respectively at 3 and 5

Why would you have killed your mom for Andre Johnson? Jets never had a good QB so what is a good receiver gonna do?

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Why would you have killed your mom for Andre Johnson? Jets never had a good QB so what is a good receiver gonna do?

Pennington was good during that time. He was good for about 4 years over a 6 year time span also my mom withheld my allowance last week.