Speculation: 2013-14 Free Agent, Trades, and Proposals - Part 11

[Johny Drama]

Bolland, McClement and Kadri have all spent time on the wing at some point. JVR and Kessel were drafted as centers and moved to the wing. Seguin was used on the wing in Boston because of an overload at center.

McClement and Bolland are in contract negotiations with Toronto. That locks up 4 centers going forward. Holland has proven himself to be an NHL ready top-9 forward IMO. If he is in the Leafs plans going forward, he'll likely have to spend some time on the wing.

It's pretty common.

Holland seems to work well with Lupul.
Wouldn't mind seeing Holland tried on the wing with Kadri and Lupul.

 

[Magic Man]

Holland seems to work well with Lupul.
Wouldn't mind seeing Holland tried on the wing with Kadri and Lupul.

I was backing that idea, until Kulemin went back up there and the line began to click again. Kulemin seems to have a Bozakian effect on that unit.

Would still like to see how those 3 work together.

 

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[SeaOfBlue]

Holland seems to work well with Lupul.
Wouldn't mind seeing Holland tried on the wing with Kadri and Lupul.

Or at center with Kadri at the wing. Holland is a better "center" IMO, especially since he's more defensive. Holland needs a long term spot with us, preferably at the center spot. I think Kadri can be moved with his emergence. Half of the bottom 6 is available too, and a lot of depth. I think we should be able to recoup all of our lost picks and more.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Man I want to trade frnason and raymond gone for something...prolly will happen when holland or clarkson is ready.

 

[thepatient]

how much is Komarov looking for?

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

Man I want to trade frnason and raymond gone for something...prolly will happen when holland or clarkson is ready.

You'd think something is almost definitely going to happen when Bolland gets back, because we're gonna be real tight up against the cap even after sending a couple of guys like Fraser/McLaren/Orr down.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Can you believe some people are saying Adam Larsson is worth Rielly+? He's not even worth Kadri or Gardiner by himself, don't even start with Rielly or Rielly PLUS!!! He's worth Holland by himself right now.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

You'd think something is almost definitely going to happen when Bolland gets back, because we're gonna be real tight up against the cap even after sending a couple of guys like Fraser/McLaren/Orr down.

Now just gotta bear with them till then...it's painful

Can you believe some people are saying Adam Larsson is worth Rielly+? He's not even worth Kadri or Gardiner by himself, don't even start with Rielly or Rielly PLUS!!! He's worth Holland by himself right now.

Larsson? Kadri is actually who they'd ask for, and he's extremely talented. He has the skills and poise to be a great number 2 or a possible number 1 and he's fairly young too.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Larsson? Kadri is actually who they'd ask for, and he's an extremely talented. He has the skills and poise to be a great number 2 or a possible number 1 and he's fairly young too.

Yeah, except suddenly Larsson's value is 3x more than it was 2 weeks ago, and he hasn't even been in the NHL since then. I think some people are on something right now, and most of them aren't even NJ fans.

Holland is worth about the same as Larsson right now IMO (if we were to trade him that is). End of story.

 

[Cor]

how much is Komarov looking for?

He wanted 3M to stay last year, but that's because it was an Olympic year, and he had his heart set on going home.

Hopefully he lowers his price to around 1.5M

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Now just gotta bear with them till then...it's painful

I think they'll be easy sells though. A bunch of mid-late round picks/decent prospects. I'd take that any day on top of about 3 mill. of cap.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

He wanted 3M to stay last year, but that's because it was an Olympic year, and he had his heart set on going home.

Hopefully he lowers his price to around 1.5M

I'd maybe pay him that, however we have Devane, and I'd like to see him on the 4th line next year. Unless he flips over to the other spot where Ashton could be?

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Yeah, except suddenly Larsson's value is 3x more than it was 2 weeks ago, and he hasn't even been in the NHL since then. I think some people are on something right now, and most of them aren't even NJ fans.

Holland is worth about the same as Larsson right now IMO (if we were to trade him that is). End of story.

I doubt you'd get Holland to be an enough of a deal for Adam larsson, probably need Holland and a pick or prospect included or a bit of both. Larsson has a very high ceiling and if people were pumped about Hedman they were twice as much pumped about Larsson.

I think they'll be easy sells though. A bunch of mid-late round picks/decent prospects. I'd take that any day on top of about 3 mill. of cap.

I hope so...but it's not happening yet lol.

 

[Cor]

I'd maybe pay him that, however we have Devane, and I'd like to see him on the 4th line next year. Unless he flips over to the other spot where Ashton could be?

XXXXX - Bolland - Clarkson
Ashton - McClement - XXXXX

This is what we have "lock" wise next season. We know Colton Orr will be back, unless Nonis moves both he and McLaren, but realistically that won't happen.

Holland will likely take that 3rd line spot. We have Bodie, D'Amigo, Leivo are all guys that want jobs. If Kulemin and Raymond both leave, then we have an open spot on the 2nd line as well.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I doubt you'd get Holland to be an enough of a deal for Adam larsson, probably need Holland and a pick or prospect included or a bit of both. Larsson has a very high ceiling and if people were pumped about Hedman they were twice as much pumped about Larsson.

Still doesn't explain the fact his value just randomly increased. Or the fact that Kadri and Gardiner aren't worth more than him. They have a similar ceiling and potential, except are far more proven and worth more right now. Larsson is injured in the AHL behind 8 other defensemen right now.

I originally had Jersey fans jumping on Kadri and Abbott for Larsson, Hrabarenka and a 2nd. This was 2 weeks ago.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Still doesn't explain the fact his value just randomly increased. Or the fact that Kadri and Gardiner aren't worth more than him. They have a similar ceiling and potential, except are far more proven and worth more right now. Larsson is injured in the AHL behind 8 other defensemen right now.

I originally had Jersey fans jumping on Kadri and Abbott for Larsson, Hrabarenka and a 2nd. This was 2 weeks ago.

Lol fans fluctuate and that's normal. However the reasonable ones will say it's gonna cost us Kadri.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

XXXXX - Bolland - Clarkson
Ashton - McClement - XXXXX

This is what we have "lock" wise next season. We know Colton Orr will be back, unless Nonis moves both he and McLaren, but realistically that won't happen.

Holland will likely take that 3rd line spot. We have Bodie, D'Amigo, Leivo are all guys that want jobs. If Kulemin and Raymond both leave, then we have an open spot on the 2nd line as well.

Well Komarov wouldn't fit there. Maybe Ashton/Holland? I just don't see Komarov fitting there anymore. Also, I can realistically see us trading both of McLaren and Orr, considering we have the most grinders in the league right now.

 

[Duffman955]

Lol fans fluctuate and that's normal. However the reasonable ones will say it's gonna cost us Kadri.

Why on earth would we trade a 60+ point young center for a #8Dman.

Some people just really want to see the other end of the JVR trade don't they.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Why on earth would we trade a 60+ point young center for a #8Dman.

Some people just really want to see the other end of the JVR trade don't they.

Well, I would never do just Kadri for Larsson. I would expect something like this:


Adam Larsson
Artur Gavrus
Scott Wedgewood
2nd round pick 2014/2015


Nazem Kadri
Artur Gavrus
Chris Gibson

I'd definitely move Kadri for that. Larsson can be a top pairing right handed defensive defenseman not too long from now, and we do have Holland who can project the same way as Kadri. We don't have a Larsson of the future anywhere in our system right now.

 

[Duffman955]

Well, I would never do just Kadri for Larsson. I would expect something like this:


Adam Larsson
Artur Gavrus
Scott Wedgewood
2nd round pick 2014/2015


Nazem Kadri
Artur Gavrus
Chris Gibson

I'd definitely move Kadri for that. Larsson can be a top pairing right handed defensive defenseman not too long from now, and we do have Holland who can project the same way as Kadri. We don't have a Larsson of the future anywhere in our system right now.

In what planet does Holland project to be the same as Kadri? Kadri is better in every way and they are the same age.

And now, adding some nothing prospects to a #8Dman does not get you Kadri. Did Kadri beat you or something? You are criminally underrating him.

 

[Bluejaysfan*]

Huberdeau seems like the kind of guy Nonis would trade one of his young pieces for. Struggling young player that is not put in the best situation to succeed. Might be outdone by more talented younger options and available if it fills a need of the panthers.

 

[TheLeastOfTheBunch]

Larsson would be nice, but not for Kadri..

 

[SeaOfBlue]

In what planet does Holland project to be the same as Kadri? Kadri is better in every way and they are the same age.

And now, adding some nothing prospects to a #8Dman does not get you Kadri. Did Kadri beat you or something? You are criminally underrating him.

Ooo can you go to this link and fight all of the fans there. I think you'll have more fun fighting with them than with me. They think Larsson is worth more than Rielly, Gardiner and Kadri.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1594455

Also, Holland is better defensively and in the faceoff dot. He's also a little more consistent, though I will give you that Kadri has a higher ceiling (along with a lower floor when he's off). I will also give you the offense and the hands and stuff, but I prefer a more two-way game out of my centers, and a more Kadri game out of wingers.

 

[Bluejaysfan*]

Well, I would never do just Kadri for Larsson. I would expect something like this:


Adam Larsson
Artur Gavrus
Scott Wedgewood
2nd round pick 2014/2015


Nazem Kadri
Artur Gavrus
Chris Gibson

I'd definitely move Kadri for that. Larsson can be a top pairing right handed defensive defenseman not too long from now, and we do have Holland who can project the same way as Kadri. We don't have a Larsson of the future anywhere in our system right now.

If we are going to do the projection game, then Kadri can be a legit #1 center in the near future if he keeps playing like he has in the last month or so or all of last season. As much as defense is a need, we do not necessarily need another top pairing defensemen at the expense of our only potential #1 center. If you look at it, phaneuf is a #1, Rielly looks like he will a better #1 than Dion. Almost reminiscent of the Keith and Seabrook pairing that Chicago has. Gardiner is a top 4 defensemen that I believe has top pairing defensmen. He plays his best against the Bruins and at his best, he is a top pairing defensmen and has similar potential to Rielly but he is just older. Gunnerson and Gleason are more than adequate defenders. I would not go as far to call Gunnerson or Gleason a top 4 on a cup contending team but that is debatable. All this team needs to do is add another top 4 veteran defensemen like Gleason and wait till Rielly and Gardiner develop into the defensmen we know they can become.