2009 Born for the 2025 OHL DRAFT

[Section5Petes]

Delisle and McGregor seem like the type of player that the Pete’s like to roster.

Warren is small and Murata isn’t very physical. Not saying the Pete’s won’t select Warren or Murata as they are extremely talented in skill. We have a skilled non physical shooter in Taylor, and a small skilled guy in Young already. Give me the Delisle or McGregor type which seem to be another Fitzgerald mould. Perfect for the Pete’s brand of hockey.

Delisle is my favourite personally.

McGregor, Warren, Murata are my preference. We need high end skill and lots of it. This team needs a big jolt of talent. Still lots to of work to do with this team

 

[Petes90]

In fairness, BPA is usually skewed toward the model of player you build your team around. In this example, if Delisle is the type of player they build their team around, he will naturally be the BPA on their list. Another team will have a different BPA list that could be more skewed toward high skill/skater type players. If the five players are super close, BPA will be strictly determined by the attributes the teams tends to prefer. Preferences vary.

Fair point.
As mentioned above the Pete's are in need of a lot more talent. Go grab their guy at 1.1, hopefully get a good forward in round 2 as well, and work on getting Novotny to report. Plus we draft high in the top 3 of the 25 import draft right?
Watching all season the defence didn't seem too bad. So that core is in place allowing us to focus on forward for the majority of the picks.

 

[OHL4Life]

It's not really a right or wrong scenario. My point simply is there is no way the peterborough petes have gone into the tournament thinking "it could be any one of the 4 or 5 players" to "oh ya its this guy clearly #1" over a 5 day span and their decision is made. Lots of due diligence of the entire year looking back and doing tons of video on all of these guys that according to everybody were air tight before the tournament started will go on over the next couple weeks.

I talked to an agent at the tournament who said Murata was going to go #1. The very next day I talked to another agent who thought Warren had the best tournament so far and looks like he might go. It's pretty obvious how tight things are.

I thought you said initially you only saw YSE or something? now your talking g to agents.

hey , line i said, believe me or not, generally if I say something about a draft pick it’s turned out correct, others can tell you if that’s true.

2 weeks to find out…not that my team is drafting g top 5 but my buddies who are sure hope the Pete’s don’t take him 1

 

[BobbyStokers9713]

In fairness, BPA is usually skewed toward the model of player you build your team around. In this example, if Delisle is the type of player they build their team around, he will naturally be the BPA on their list. Another team will have a different BPA list that could be more skewed toward high skill/skater type players. If the five players are super close, BPA will be strictly determined by the attributes the teams tends to prefer. Preferences vary.

Sure. I just mean if they deem

I thought you said initially you only saw YSE or something? now your talking g to agents.

hey , line i said, believe me or not, generally if I say something about a draft pick it’s turned out correct, others can tell you if that’s true.

2 weeks to find out…not that my team is drafting g top 5 but my buddies who are sure hope the Pete’s don’t take him 1

So because I only saw YSE play up until this week that means I can't know agents? I don't spend my time in minor hockey rinks, I spend my time in OHL rinks. I went to see YSE play a couple times because I live not far from there and I went to the tournament this week because there weren't OHL games.

Like I said before you could be right you could be wrong about him being the best, either way for it to be this close between not just two guys but five going into the week and you to deem the debate done and dusted after 5 games to erase the rest of the year isn't realistic. The petes will be doing plenty of work from the whole year to decide who the best is. And at the end of the day it could still be mcgregor!

 

[OHL4Life]

Sure. I just mean if they deem

So because I only saw YSE play up until this week that means I can't know agents? I don't spend my time in minor hockey rinks, I spend my time in OHL rinks. I went to see YSE play a couple times because I live not far from there and I went to the tournament this week because there weren't OHL games.

Like I said before you could be right you could be wrong about him being the best, either way for it to be this close between not just two guys but five going into the week and you to deem the debate done and dusted after 5 games to erase the rest of the year isn't realistic. The petes will be doing plenty of work from the whole year to decide who the best is. And at the end of the day it could still be mcgregor!

I’m just trying to get to understand how you said you don’t watch U16 at all and therefore can’t say much about players outside of the YSE kids (ie Edgar), but it changed now and you were at the OHL cup. It seemed disconnected.

It’s no different then any other year, we see what we see but when someone plays that well in a year that has been short on stand out players, we take notice.

Everyone is saying he’s the top pick in the draft today. If you don’t trust me art a Kennedy even tweeted it. Whether or not the Pete’s take him is a different story but so far it’s the name they are attached to today. We’ll see tomorrow

 

[BobbyStokers9713]

I’m just trying to get to understand how you said you don’t watch U16 at all and therefore can’t say much about players outside of the YSE kids (ie Edgar), but it changed now and you were at the OHL cup. It seemed disconnected.

It’s no different then any other year, we see what we see but when someone plays that well in a year that has been short on stand out players, we take notice.

Everyone is saying he’s the top pick in the draft today. If you don’t trust me art a Kennedy even tweeted it. Whether or not the Pete’s take him is a different story but so far it’s the name they are attached to today. We’ll see tomorrow

I didn't watch U16 at all, I went to two YSE games this year 10 minutes from my house and I saw 2 games at the OHL cup, YSE vs JRC and the final. I have zero opinion on these players other than I think Edgar will be a fantastic player moving forward and Warren looked good in the game I saw him as well. Murata not a great final but it's one game.

But reading this thread all season there have been people who have said 5 different players could go #1 as recently as a few days ago. between that and talking to agents the only thing thats clear is that there is no clear #1 and it will be different depending on who's picking, thats all. it's great to have a great OHL cup but it is not the end all be all.

 

[OHL4Life]

I didn't watch U16 at all, I went to two YSE games this year 10 minutes from my house and I saw 2 games at the OHL cup, YSE vs JRC and the final. I have zero opinion on these players other than I think Edgar will be a fantastic player moving forward and Warren looked good in the game I saw him as well. Murata not a great final but it's one game.

But reading this thread all season there have been people who have said 5 different players could go #1 as recently as a few days ago. between that and talking to agents the only thing thats clear is that there is no clear #1 and it will be different depending on who's picking, thats all. it's great to have a great OHL cup but it is not the end all be all.

and you know how scouting works from years of sitting in the room or?

Pierre Mbuyi was the guy we were all talking about last year after, how did he end up.

when it’s just a bunch of guys who are good but not great at the top of the list and someone who is finally healthy is great and has been for 6 weeks, it forces you to change course.

but, like I siakd I just sit in the room so what the hell do I know lol

 

[BobbyStokers9713]

and you know how scouting works from years of sitting in the room or?

Pierre Mbuyi was the guy we were all talking about last year after, how did he end up.

when it’s just a bunch of guys who are good but not great at the top of the list and someone who is finally healthy is great and has been for 6 weeks, it forces you to change course.

but, like I siakd I just sit in the room so what the hell do I know lol

I know how scouting works buddy lol I have been in rooms too and they aren't for the OHL draft. And I have never met a team that decides who they're picking 24 hours after the last game of the season. that is just pure laziness and not doing the work. You have to look back at everything.

 

[OHL4Life]

I know how scouting works buddy lol I have been in rooms too and they aren't for the OHL draft. And I have never met a team that decides who they're picking 24 hours after the last game of the season. that is just pure laziness and not doing the work. You have to look back at everything.

ok, let us know who goes where when the time comes

 

[BobbyStokers9713]

ok, let us know who goes where when the time comes

it won't matter, the process is what I am arguing and you know that but you just want to be able to turn around and say I told you so if he happens to go first. The only point I've made is the petes will be doing plenty of homework on all kids in contention, simple as that. Someone with the "experience" you have should know teams don't make their picks a day after the OHL cup, there is a lot of homework to be done afterwards.

 

[nelli27]

ok, let us know who goes where when the time comes

Yes, your track record is exceptional. We usually know before the draft where players are going. It's great that you share that with us. Thanks.
PM me if or when you know who the Knights take in Rd 1 or if you hear any rumblings as to who they might be interested in.

 

[OHL4Life]

Yes, your track record is exceptional. We usually know before the draft where players are going. It's great that you share that with us. Thanks.
PM me if or when you know who the Knights take in Rd 1 or if you hear any rumblings as to who they might be interested in.

evidently not anymore lol

 

[OMG67]

it won't matter, the process is what I am arguing and you know that but you just want to be able to turn around and say I told you so if he happens to go first. The only point I've made is the petes will be doing plenty of homework on all kids in contention, simple as that. Someone with the "experience" you have should know teams don't make their picks a day after the OHL cup, there is a lot of homework to be done afterwards.

You are both correct. You are arguing general process and @OHL4Life is arguing that the process to date has pinpointed McGregor as the clear #1.

As an outsider, this is what I am hearing with this conversation.

@BobbyStokers9713 - Teams go through a process to decide who they select. The team that selects first has the full list of player options to select from so there are no impediments with respect to who they take. So, they need to run through their process and land on the player.

@OHL4Life - Teams have run thei process all year and had landed on five players to watch more closely going into the penultimate tournament. Now that tournament is over, one player has proven to have risen above the pack. Certain factors related to illness prevented him from rising above the pack early but now that the illness has cleared, the cream has risen and it is a no brainer who is #1.

Both have run a process. Will the Petes continue to run their process? Yes. Will they run through everything over and over another ten times between now and April 11? Yes. But, based on discussions amongst scouts, results of this tournament and results of the other parts of the year, it looks like McGregor is the decided #1 ranked player. The Petes may run their process and after doing so, they will land on that player.

But, this is no different than when Sidney Crosby was the #1 pick. Is it lazy for a franchise to name him that at Christmas? He was head and shoulders above everyone with ZERO doubt. But, yes, you do need to let the season play out. When the season ends, you do need to run your numbers and weigh options. Sure. But, when you know, you know. And as of right now, many in the OHL scouting circles now know. Further conversation will only confirm what they already know.

Certain teams may value different attributes and if they do then they already know as well. They just know it is a different player they value higher.

 

[bigdog16]

Sorry to change topic of conversation but did any Americans stand out at OHL cup? I was unable to watch anything. Seems like Little Caesars and TPH showed well.

 

[OHL4Life]

You are both correct. You are arguing general process and @OHL4Life is arguing that the process to date has pinpointed McGregor as the clear #1.

As an outsider, this is what I am hearing with this conversation.

@BobbyStokers9713 - Teams go through a process to decide who they select. The team that selects first has the full list of player options to select from so there are no impediments with respect to who they take. So, they need to run through their process and land on the player.

@OHL4Life - Teams have run thei process all year and had landed on five players to watch more closely going into the penultimate tournament. Now that tournament is over, one player has proven to have risen above the pack. Certain factors related to illness prevented him from rising above the pack early but now that the illness has cleared, the cream has risen and it is a no brainer who is #1.

Both have run a process. Will the Petes continue to run their process? Yes. Will they run through everything over and over another ten times between now and April 11? Yes. But, based on discussions amongst scouts, results of this tournament and results of the other parts of the year, it looks like McGregor is the decided #1 ranked player. The Petes may run their process and after doing so, they will land on that player.

But, this is no different than when Sidney Crosby was the #1 pick. Is it lazy for a franchise to name him that at Christmas? He was head and shoulders above everyone with ZERO doubt. But, yes, you do need to let the season play out. When the season ends, you do need to run your numbers and weigh options. Sure. But, when you know, you know. And as of right now, many in the OHL scouting circles now know. Further conversation will only confirm what they already know.

Certain teams may value different attributes and if they do then they already know as well. They just know it is a different player they value higher.

and that’s all I’m saying. after this weekend absolutely everyone is saying that no one has played as well as McGregor did and this who he is now that he’s finally healthy, it’s not like he just played poorly before, kid lost something like 25lbs and had meningitis.

now, could the Pete’s go against that and pick someone else, sure, but usually this kind of noise will equal a player of that ability to go 1 when everyone else is just above average.

Lots of questions on the top guys like murata, Warren, less about wyaiak and Delisle. Chitaroni even put himself into the top 5/6 with his last 2 months.

 

[BobbyStokers9713]

You are both correct. You are arguing general process and @OHL4Life is arguing that the process to date has pinpointed McGregor as the clear #1.

As an outsider, this is what I am hearing with this conversation.

@BobbyStokers9713 - Teams go through a process to decide who they select. The team that selects first has the full list of player options to select from so there are no impediments with respect to who they take. So, they need to run through their process and land on the player.

@OHL4Life - Teams have run thei process all year and had landed on five players to watch more closely going into the penultimate tournament. Now that tournament is over, one player has proven to have risen above the pack. Certain factors related to illness prevented him from rising above the pack early but now that the illness has cleared, the cream has risen and it is a no brainer who is #1.

Both have run a process. Will the Petes continue to run their process? Yes. Will they run through everything over and over another ten times between now and April 11? Yes. But, based on discussions amongst scouts, results of this tournament and results of the other parts of the year, it looks like McGregor is the decided #1 ranked player. The Petes may run their process and after doing so, they will land on that player.

But, this is no different than when Sidney Crosby was the #1 pick. Is it lazy for a franchise to name him that at Christmas? He was head and shoulders above everyone with ZERO doubt. But, yes, you do need to let the season play out. When the season ends, you do need to run your numbers and weigh options. Sure. But, when you know, you know. And as of right now, many in the OHL scouting circles now know. Further conversation will only confirm what they already know.

Certain teams may value different attributes and if they do then they already know as well. They just know it is a different player they value higher.

you had me on everything there until the end. This kid isn't Crosby, all year long it has flipped and flopped between 5 different guys. if this was mcdavid or crosby and it was so obvious then yes as soon as the petes got #1 we should congratulate them on getting that clear and obvious best player and generational talent. I guess what I'm saying is it seems like OHL4Life is doing that with Mcgregor based on 5 games at the end of the season when it's obviously very very close. All 5 of these kids have tools that are the best in the age group but nobody has all of them at the top of the age group otherwise there wouldn't have been a debate all season.

 

[OMG67]

you had me on everything there until the end. This kid isn't Crosby, all year long it has flipped and flopped between 5 different guys. if this was mcdavid or crosby and it was so obvious then yes as soon as the petes got #1 we should congratulate them on getting that clear and obvious best player and generational talent. I guess what I'm saying is it seems like OHL4Life is doing that with Mcgregor based on 5 games at the end of the season when it's obviously very very close. All 5 of these kids have tools that are the best in the age group but nobody has all of them at the top of the age group otherwise there wouldn't have been a debate all season.

I was using Crosby as the example of “when you know, you know.” It doesn’t matter when you know. For Crosby, you knew earlier. For others, you may know later. But, when you know, you know.

I think the conversation with respect to McGregor is timing. It took this particular tournament to showcase a player that wasn’t properly showcased previously. But, once he was showcased, it created that gap that was indistinguishable.

The challenge sometimes is when you get an elite talent that isn’t in the GTA, it can be difficult. When the kid is in the HEO or up North dominating a lessor calibre of league, there are questions regarding whether the player can handle the better league. McGregor came down to this tournament with the weight of those questions on him. He answered the questions. The interview is over. There is not going to be another interview. The Interviewers (scouts) got together and discussed the Interview and picked their candidate and now, as a result of that interview, there is a gap. Just because there wasn’t a gap before the tournament, doesn’t mean there isn’t one after the tournament.

Will all 20 teams come to the same conclusion like they would had we been discussing Sidney Crosby? No. There may be a few teams that still prefer high skill with high ceiling and feel they can coach a different player into a better player. I can see that as a discussion of which you may be referring. That’s fair. And, this is why I agree with BOTH of you. I agree that McGregor, based on these discussions, is the #1 guy. I also agree that just because he is the #1 guy, it doesn’t mean that further internal discussion by teams is not warranted. They will discuss it. But, my point is, when you know, you know. You don’t want to get yourself into that situation where you are trying to find reasons not to pick the player.

 

[BobbyStokers9713]

I was using Crosby as the example of “when you know, you know.” It doesn’t matter when you know. For Crosby, you knew earlier. For others, you may know later. But, when you know, you know.

I think the conversation with respect to McGregor is timing. It took this particular tournament to showcase a player that wasn’t properly showcased previously. But, once he was showcased, it created that gap that was indistinguishable.

The challenge sometimes is when you get an elite talent that isn’t in the GTA, it can be difficult. When the kid is in the HEO or up North dominating a lessor calibre of league, there are questions regarding whether the player can handle the better league. McGregor came down to this tournament with the weight of those questions on him. He answered the questions. The interview is over. There is not going to be another interview. The Interviewers (scouts) got together and discussed the Interview and picked their candidate and now, as a result of that interview, there is a gap. Just because there wasn’t a gap before the tournament, doesn’t mean there isn’t one after the tournament.

Will all 20 teams come to the same conclusion like they would had we been discussing Sidney Crosby? No. There may be a few teams that still prefer high skill with high ceiling and feel they can coach a different player into a better player. I can see that as a discussion of which you may be referring. That’s fair. And, this is why I agree with BOTH of you. I agree that McGregor, based on these discussions, is the #1 guy. I also agree that just because he is the #1 guy, it doesn’t mean that further internal discussion by teams is not warranted. They will discuss it. But, my point is, when you know, you know. You don’t want to get yourself into that situation where you are trying to find reasons not to pick the player.

Yes that's what I meant in saying he's not crosby in the fact that based on how tight it has been all year no way all 20 teams on the same page about him being #1, its just too close. Different teams have different preferences and when it is this close you just never know.

 

[StingUpdates]

Doing a deep dive on the top 5-6 guys and spent a few hours watching Wycisk games (bunch of Sun county games on YouTube) while I was very impressed by him, I was also incredibly impressed by #10 Brayden Lappalainen & #37 Eamon Edgar.

Where do y'all see them going? Edgar especially looked incredible I thought in most games despite being a little undersized.

 

[OHL4Life]

Doing a deep dive on the top 5-6 guys and spent a few hours watching Wycisk games (bunch of Sun county games on YouTube) while I was very impressed by him, I was also incredibly impressed by #10 Brayden Lappalainen & #37 Eamon Edgar.

Where do y'all see them going? Edgar especially looked incredible I thought in most games despite being a little undersized.

i think both are 2nd round picks, but after say 10 or 11 anyone could go between 12 and 40 so itll be the wild wild west

for what its worth ive heard that sarnia covets reznik with their second round pick.

 

[StingUpdates]

i think both are 2nd round picks, but after say 10 or 11 anyone could go between 12 and 40 so itll be the wild wild west

for what its worth ive heard that sarnia covets reznik with their second round pick.

Definitely a need. Sting haven't had a good home grown goalie in awhile. Sure Gaudreau but he was a 1st Rd pick & still wasn't what we hoped.

So getting a top ranked guy id like. Esp with 2 2nds available.

 

[OHL4Life]

Definitely a need. Sting haven't had a good home grown goalie in awhile. Sure Gaudreau but he was a 1st Rd pick & still wasn't what we hoped.

So getting a top ranked guy id like. Esp with 2 2nds available.

first 2nd is where they would have to use him, he wont last to the 2nd. he is very close to the goalie coach. someone may step up knowing that.

 

[OHL4Life]

Definitely a need. Sting haven't had a good home grown goalie in awhile. Sure Gaudreau but he was a 1st Rd pick & still wasn't what we hoped.

So getting a top ranked guy id like. Esp with 2 2nds available.

alot of plans could be out thou now with mark guy in control.

 

[StingUpdates]

alot of plans could be out thou now with mark guy in control.

Holding out hope a coaching change is atop that list lol.

 

[Sakic fan]

and that’s all I’m saying. after this weekend absolutely everyone is saying that no one has played as well as McGregor did and this who he is now that he’s finally healthy, it’s not like he just played poorly before, kid lost something like 25lbs and had meningitis.

now, could the Pete’s go against that and pick someone else, sure, but usually this kind of noise will equal a player of that ability to go 1 when everyone else is just above average.

Lots of questions on the top guys like murata, Warren, less about wyaiak and Delisle. Chitaroni even put himself into the top 5/6 with his last 2 months.

What great forward players will be available after the big 6? Soo fan hear.looking for candidates at 7th overall. Thanks