2005 IIHF World U18 Championship

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Berkut said:
Is Pierre McGuire on this forum??

Just in case he is, let me tell you this Mr. McGuire: You're an idiot! Your coverage is ****! Make us all a favor and shut it, you moron!!!

yah, go seek help. it'll do you wonders, PM and GM called a great game and called a great women's tournament as well. if you don't like thats fine, so why dont you do us all a favour and think twice before you post. you get tonight LAME award.
 
cyclops said:
You may hate Macguire but there is one thing i hope he accomplishes before all is said and done and that has to do with his constant harping about the offiiating that still goes on in these tournaments over there.It's terrible,over 30 years of this stuff.....call a straight game guys.......your bias against certain teams and toleration/rewarding of diving is crazy.It's 2005,time to get with it and let it go euro zebra's.Will it ever end? Read the rule book and stop biting on dives.Same old story today as always...a never ending parade to the box for Canada over dives and bogus calls mostly centered on nice legal physica play.As a fan You keep thinking it will finally stop over there but then comes the next tourney and nothing changes. Terrible for hockey.


+ 1

well said.
 
Mobey said:
Frolik scores. First time I've heard him this period.

Anyone watching this game? Does the USA deserve all these penalties or is it home country fever?
I did'nt get to see it but i can almost garuntee most are bogus calls. play physical with them refs and you are asking to get put in the pen.Does'nt matter if it's legal physical play....they don't make that distinction.Never have and looks like they never will.
 
Joe Hallenback said:
Hey How about those wonderful Dmen from the WHL..er..I mean the QMJHL. Bravo Q. Bourdon,Letang and Gragnani look excellent. :handclap:

Actually all the Canadian Dmen look Great a very strong group of 7. They really played a strong solid game against the Russians keeping them to the outside for most of the night :handclap:

Here's hoping for a Canada/US final! :clap:

Bourdon is shooting his way up the rankings, indeed.
 
cyclops said:
You may hate Macguire but there is one thing i hope he accomplishes before all is said and done and that has to do with his constant harping about the offiiating that still goes on in these tournaments over there.It's terrible,over 30 years of this stuff.....call a straight game guys.......your bias against certain teams and toleration/rewarding of diving is crazy.It's 2005,time to get with it and let it go euro zebra's.Will it ever end? Read the rule book and stop biting on dives.Same old story today as always...a never ending parade to the box for Canada over dives and bogus calls mostly centered on nice legal physica play.As a fan You keep thinking it will finally stop over there but then comes the next tourney and nothing changes. Terrible for hockey.

It has one saving grace....it gives us ample opportuinity always to practice our p.k.

I know the refs can be horrible in these tournaments, but it always goes both ways in europe. Also its been pretty obvious that Canadian players dive atleast as much as euros, but without a doubt european players knows whats called in europe better then the Canadian kids and are better to take advantage of it.

The way Canadian refs runs the World Cup for example is beyond embarrassing, no matter how a game is played the Canadian refs always manage to give the european team one more penalty and for some reason Canada always get their penaltys with 15 seconds to go in a period so the european team have to split the PP, 15 second in one period means that not much can be done and they are forced to go at it for the remaining 105 secs with cold legs... Or how in the latest WC in the European Group a averege of 3 interference of goaltender was called per game. The European teams where told whenever you touch the goalie your out by the canadian ref, in the north american group and the playoffs not a single penalty like that was called. Strange. I would like to hear what McQuire have to say in thoose games. Its been gooing on for almost 20 years in 6-7 tournaments. IMO its a big diffrence between a ref that deliberately trys to give his country a advantage then some idiot amature ref in Europe who is in over his head...
 
An Ape called Yoko said:
Wow, you canadians are a happy people. Here we don´t even get to watch the U20 WC anymore...

Mail the "Sport Expressen" they are our only chance, I got a response from they that they are gooing to look into it. More mails might help! :)
 
Berkut said:
Is Pierre McGuire on this forum??

Just in case he is, let me tell you this Mr. McGuire: You're an idiot! Your coverage is ****! Make us all a favor and shut it, you moron!!!


I'm wondering why these kind of comments are allowed to be posted. Not only is this person rude and crude but he is insulting someone. I think a mod should have a talk with this "gentleman".

Poor sportsmanship is no excuse.
 
Ola said:
The way Canadian refs runs the World Cup for example is beyond embarrassing, no matter how a game is played the Canadian refs always manage to give the european team one more penalty . . . Its been gooing on for almost 20 years in 6-7 tournaments. IMO its a big diffrence between a ref that deliberately trys to give his country a advantage then some idiot amature ref in Europe who is in over his head...

I'm sorry, but this is the kind of utter bull crap that must be challenged. Here is the penalty breakdown from the last World Cup involving games between Canada and European teams:

Canada-Russia: six minors each.

Canada-Slovakia: four minors each.

Canada-Czech Republic: one minor each.

Canada-Finland: one minor each.

The only game that wasn't even was the first Canada-Slovakia game where Slovakia had six minors to three for Canada -- a game where Canada was all over the Slovaks.

I don't have the time to go back through every World Cup and Canada Cup ever played to check those summaries, but I don't have to. I've already proven you're wrong. This is typical of the crap that SOME European fans spout every time Canada wins. I've seen people on these boards whine about Canadian refs and NHL rules going back to the '76 and '81 Canada Cups when both tournaments used IIHF rules and refs. But, hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good hate.
 
Ola said:
I know the refs can be horrible in these tournaments, but it always goes both ways in europe. Also its been pretty obvious that Canadian players dive atleast as much as euros, but without a doubt european players knows whats called in europe better then the Canadian kids and are better to take advantage of it.

The way Canadian refs runs the World Cup for example is beyond embarrassing, no matter how a game is played the Canadian refs always manage to give the european team one more penalty and for some reason Canada always get their penaltys with 15 seconds to go in a period so the european team have to split the PP, 15 second in one period means that not much can be done and they are forced to go at it for the remaining 105 secs with cold legs... Or how in the latest WC in the European Group a averege of 3 interference of goaltender was called per game. The European teams where told whenever you touch the goalie your out by the canadian ref, in the north american group and the playoffs not a single penalty like that was called. Strange. I would like to hear what McQuire have to say in thoose games. Its been gooing on for almost 20 years in 6-7 tournaments. IMO its a big diffrence between a ref that deliberately trys to give his country a advantage then some idiot amature ref in Europe who is in over his head...

Ola you have no idea what you're talking about. To say Canadian hockey players dive just as much as Europeans is ridiculous. The reason you will rarely see a Canadian player dive is because we don't tolerate that crap here. If you dive you are going to here about from you coach and your teammates. In Europe not only is diving encouraged, it's taught and practiced. The Russians and Swedes are the worst offenders with the head first dive where they snap their head back and kick their feet up in the air. They must think they're playing soccer.

As for your assertion that Canadian refs are biased during international tournaments in Canada, once again your statement is ludicrous. First, how often do we even host IIHF sanctioned tournaments in Canada? The World Championships and the u-18 tournament is held in Europe every year. The WJC is held in Canada every 3-4 years and officials from every country are used. There was an 8 year gap between World Cups (1996-2004). The only tournament held in Canada on a regular basis is the u-17 hockey challenge and it's not even a IIHF sanctioned event.

Regarding your statement that the European teams always seemed to get one more penalty than Canada in the WC and that Canada often received a penalty in the final minute of a period, I decided to go through the box scores from the Canadian/European games from the WC. Here are the results.

Canada vs. Slovakia (Sept 1) Powerplays: Canada 5, Slovakia 3.
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 1 (Hannon 19:02, period 3)
Slovakia: 1 (Hlinka 19:48, period 2)

Canada vs. Russia (Sept 4) Powerplays: Canada 4, Russia 4.
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 2 (Iginla 19:02, period 1, Hannan 18:09, period 2. Russia 3 (Yashin 19:00, period 1, (Kovalev 18:09, period 2, Kovalenko 19:49, period 3)
*Hannan and Kovalev penalties were coincidental minors. Iginla penalty came two seconds after Yashin. Kovalenko penalty came with 11 seconds left in came. Of Canada's 4 pp's, one was 2 seconds in duration, the other 11 seconds.

Canada vs. Slovakia (Sept 8) Powerplays: Canada 3 Slovakia 3
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 0, Slovakia 0.

Canada vs. Czech Republic (Sept 11) Powerplays: Canada 1 Czech 1
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 0, Czech 0

Canada vs. Finland (Sept 14) Powerplays: Canada 1, Finland 1
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 0, Finland 0

As for your statement that an average of three goaltender interference penalties per game were called in games involving European teams at the 2004 World Cup that is a bit of an exaggeration. Actually, there were just 2 goalie intereference penalties called in total, one to Sweden's Tomas Holmstrom, the other to Ruutu of Finland.

Canada has been putting up with incompetent and biased officiating in Europe since 1972 and probably before that as well. In fact, when Canadian teams prepare for international events they always prepare and attempt to adjust to the poor officiating.

Before you make statements like this next time make sure you do your homework.
 
cdnhky1 said:
Ola you have no idea what you're talking about. To say Canadian hockey players dive just as much as Europeans is ridiculous. The reason you will rarely see a Canadian player dive is because we don't tolerate that crap here. If you dive you are going to here about from you coach and your teammates. In Europe not only is diving encouraged, it's taught and practiced. The Russians and Swedes are the worst offenders with the head first dive where they snap their head back and kick their feet up in the air. They must think they're playing soccer.

As for your assertion that Canadian refs are biased during international tournaments in Canada, once again your statement is ludicrous. First, how often do we even host IIHF sanctioned tournaments in Canada? The World Championships and the u-18 tournament is held in Europe every year. The WJC is held in Canada every 3-4 years and officials from every country are used. There was an 8 year gap between World Cups (1996-2004). The only tournament held in Canada on a regular basis is the u-17 hockey challenge and it's not even a IIHF sanctioned event.

Regarding your statement that the European teams always seemed to get one more penalty than Canada in the WC and that Canada often received a penalty in the final minute of a period, I decided to go through the box scores from the Canadian/European games from the WC. Here are the results.

Canada vs. Slovakia (Sept 1) Powerplays: Canada 5, Slovakia 3.
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 1 (Hannon 19:02, period 3)
Slovakia: 1 (Hlinka 19:48, period 2)

Canada vs. Russia (Sept 4) Powerplays: Canada 4, Russia 4.
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 2 (Iginla 19:02, period 1, Hannan 18:09, period 2. Russia 3 (Yashin 19:00, period 1, (Kovalev 18:09, period 2, Kovalenko 19:49, period 3)
*Hannan and Kovalev penalties were coincidental minors. Iginla penalty came two seconds after Yashin. Kovalenko penalty came with 11 seconds left in came. Of Canada's 4 pp's, one was 2 seconds in duration, the other 11 seconds.

Canada vs. Slovakia (Sept 8) Powerplays: Canada 3 Slovakia 3
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 0, Slovakia 0.

Canada vs. Czech Republic (Sept 11) Powerplays: Canada 1 Czech 1
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 0, Czech 0

Canada vs. Finland (Sept 14) Powerplays: Canada 1, Finland 1
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 0, Finland 0

As for your statement that an average of three goaltender interference penalties per game were called in games involving European teams at the 2004 World Cup that is a bit of an exaggeration. Actually, there were just 2 goalie intereference penalties called in total, one to Sweden's Tomas Holmstrom, the other to Ruutu of Finland.

Canada has been putting up with incompetent and biased officiating in Europe since 1972 and probably before that as well. In fact, when Canadian teams prepare for international events they always prepare and attempt to adjust to the poor officiating.

Before you make statements like this next time make sure you do your homework.
Are you for real? :biglaugh:

Go Canada!
 
cdnhky1 said:
Canada has been putting up with incompetent and biased officiating in Europe since 1972 and probably before that as well. In fact, when Canadian teams prepare for international events they always prepare and attempt to adjust to the poor officiating.

Oh really?

I clearly remember how Don Koharski won the 1987 Canada Cup for his country.
That's the most biased case of officiating I've ever seen.

In 2004 the refs weren't biased at all.
 
Everyone has an ounce of Bias in their blood.

Unfortunately for Pierre Maguire you shouldn't be biased on TV it's that easy.
 
wilka91 said:
Oh really?

I clearly remember how Don Koharski won the 1987 Canada Cup for his country.
That's the most biased case of officiating I've ever seen.

In 2004 the refs weren't biased at all.
You have no idea how much i wish what you just said was true. Clean it up over there.....it's time,for the good of the game and your integrity.And by the way,the reason we won that turnament is because your team could'nt handle our best players.Makarov,Larionov and Krutov...nice players,just not as great as guys named Lemieux and Gretzky.They would tell you that themselves.
 
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Ola said:
I know the refs can be horrible in these tournaments, but it always goes both ways in europe. Also its been pretty obvious that Canadian players dive atleast as much as euros, but without a doubt european players knows whats called in europe better then the Canadian kids and are better to take advantage of it.

The way Canadian refs runs the World Cup for example is beyond embarrassing, no matter how a game is played the Canadian refs always manage to give the european team one more penalty and for some reason Canada always get their penaltys with 15 seconds to go in a period so the european team have to split the PP, 15 second in one period means that not much can be done and they are forced to go at it for the remaining 105 secs with cold legs... Or how in the latest WC in the European Group a averege of 3 interference of goaltender was called per game. The European teams where told whenever you touch the goalie your out by the canadian ref, in the north american group and the playoffs not a single penalty like that was called. Strange. I would like to hear what McQuire have to say in thoose games. Its been gooing on for almost 20 years in 6-7 tournaments. IMO its a big diffrence between a ref that deliberately trys to give his country a advantage then some idiot amature ref in Europe who is in over his head...
NO.I'm not trying to put Euro hockey down,it's just their reffing is biased and incompetent.Even nhl Euro players will tel you that.I'm not sayng Euro teams have'nt had bad calls on them from time to time but it's not a pattern over here at all,you get treated fairly for the most part and you do not,i repeat do not get penalised for playing your game within the rule books,we always do by your refs.It's time for it to end.......Canada and the U.S play physical hockey,learn to impose your game on us or adapt but don't continue on with the stupid penalties all game based on something that is legal in hockey.I call it the Bobby Clarke effect and it still breathes in Euro refs unfortunately....let it go boys,it was 35 years ago,our players today don't deserve your third eye based on old prejudices.
 
cyclops said:
You have no idea how much i wish what you just said was true. Clean it up over there.....it's time,for the good of the game and your integrity.And by the way,the reason we won that turnament is because your team could'nt handle our best players.Makarov,Larionov and Krutov...nice players,just not as great as guys named Lemieux and Gretzky.They would tell you that themselves.

Oh because Canada could handle Russia's best players? :lol:

The reason why you won it, is because you made the rules, you were the judge, and you were the crowd.

Did you apply to clown school?
 
cdnhky1 said:
Ola you have no idea what you're talking about. To say Canadian hockey players dive just as much as Europeans is ridiculous. The reason you will rarely see a Canadian player dive is because we don't tolerate that crap here. If you dive you are going to here about from you coach and your teammates. In Europe not only is diving encouraged, it's taught and practiced. The Russians and Swedes are the worst offenders with the head first dive where they snap their head back and kick their feet up in the air. They must think they're playing soccer.

As for your assertion that Canadian refs are biased during international tournaments in Canada, once again your statement is ludicrous. First, how often do we even host IIHF sanctioned tournaments in Canada? The World Championships and the u-18 tournament is held in Europe every year. The WJC is held in Canada every 3-4 years and officials from every country are used. There was an 8 year gap between World Cups (1996-2004). The only tournament held in Canada on a regular basis is the u-17 hockey challenge and it's not even a IIHF sanctioned event.

Regarding your statement that the European teams always seemed to get one more penalty than Canada in the WC and that Canada often received a penalty in the final minute of a period, I decided to go through the box scores from the Canadian/European games from the WC. Here are the results.

Canada vs. Slovakia (Sept 1) Powerplays: Canada 5, Slovakia 3.
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 1 (Hannon 19:02, period 3)
Slovakia: 1 (Hlinka 19:48, period 2)

Canada vs. Russia (Sept 4) Powerplays: Canada 4, Russia 4.
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 2 (Iginla 19:02, period 1, Hannan 18:09, period 2. Russia 3 (Yashin 19:00, period 1, (Kovalev 18:09, period 2, Kovalenko 19:49, period 3)
*Hannan and Kovalev penalties were coincidental minors. Iginla penalty came two seconds after Yashin. Kovalenko penalty came with 11 seconds left in came. Of Canada's 4 pp's, one was 2 seconds in duration, the other 11 seconds.

Canada vs. Slovakia (Sept 8) Powerplays: Canada 3 Slovakia 3
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 0, Slovakia 0.

Canada vs. Czech Republic (Sept 11) Powerplays: Canada 1 Czech 1
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 0, Czech 0

Canada vs. Finland (Sept 14) Powerplays: Canada 1, Finland 1
# of penalties in final two minutes of a period: Canada 0, Finland 0

As for your statement that an average of three goaltender interference penalties per game were called in games involving European teams at the 2004 World Cup that is a bit of an exaggeration. Actually, there were just 2 goalie intereference penalties called in total, one to Sweden's Tomas Holmstrom, the other to Ruutu of Finland.

Canada has been putting up with incompetent and biased officiating in Europe since 1972 and probably before that as well. In fact, when Canadian teams prepare for international events they always prepare and attempt to adjust to the poor officiating.

Before you make statements like this next time make sure you do your homework.

Wow. You must have a lot of free time my friend. Congratulations :)
 
wilka91 said:
Oh because Canada could handle Russia's best players? :lol:

The reason why you won it, is because you made the rules, you were the judge, and you were the crowd.

Did you apply to clown school?
You can't deal with the fact our players were better as usual? Sad. Anyway,i just want to say again that it would be greatly appreciated if your refs would clean up their act over there soon,it makes it harder for us to beat you when we always play 25 minutes of the game in the sin bin,funny though,we still usually always manage to always beat you.Damn that's impressive!!! Even you have to be impressed by that.Look at yesterday at the under 18's for example.

I still wish your refs would get better instruction at their reffing clinics,for the most part they are incompetent.
 
cdnhky1 said:
Ola you have no idea what you're talking about. To say Canadian hockey players dive just as much as Europeans is ridiculous.

I think it is very clear that what it ridiculous is to speak about European players as a group. Thus, it makes no sense to talk about such a statement, back it up to tear it down whatsoever.
 
cyclops said:
I still wish your refs would get better instruction at their reffing clinics,for the most part they are incompetent.

Did I say anything about the Russian refs? No.

I'm just saying that in 1987 Don Koharski won the Canada Cup, and nothing is more obvious than that.
 
cdnhky1 said:
Ola you have no idea what you're talking about. To say Canadian hockey players dive just as much as Europeans is ridiculous. The reason you will rarely see a Canadian player dive is because we don't tolerate that crap here. If you dive you are going to here about from you coach and your teammates. In Europe not only is diving encouraged, it's taught and practiced. The Russians and Swedes are the worst offenders with the head first dive where they snap their head back and kick their feet up in the air. They must think they're playing soccer.

To make generalized statements like that is ridiculous and childish. Go home and grow up.
 
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