Post-Game Talk: #20 - 11/17/18 | panthers @ RANGERS | 7:00 - MSG [PGT starts page 33]
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Based and Rangerspilled.
I am a simple man, I read a post trashing AV, I like it.
Why are some so allergic to criticism around here?
Are you really that fragile?
Quick!
Bolt the doors and lock the medicine cabinets!!
So ridiculous lol
There are people that completely look at things in a such narrow minded way while others choose to look at the whole picture.
Personally, I'd rather converse with the latter whether I agree or disagree but to each his own.
When I look at a player/ team, I immediately think of playoff performance and what it takes to get there because ultimately that's how you're measured.
As far as the state of the team..
As much as I would love to get a Hughes come draft day, I'm in the anti-tank group so I will gladly enjoy every single win that they get.
I just hate losing.
But...If we're keeping things realistic, we're at the 20 game mark and getting closer to the TDL so teams are really going to start ramping things up shortly which doesn't bode very well for this club.
While they seem to be getting by due to hard work and an attitude adjustment at the moment, they just don't have the horses (especially on D) to compete in the race so I'm expecting them to hit a wall in a hard way shortly.
I will continue to enjoy the wins while they come..
Are you really that fragile?
Quick!
Bolt the doors and lock the medicine cabinets!!
So ridiculous lol
There are people that completely look at things in a such narrow minded way while others choose to look at the whole picture.
Personally, I'd rather converse with the latter whether I agree or disagree but to each his own.
When I look at a player/ team, I immediately think of playoff performance and what it takes to get there because ultimately that's how you're measured.
As far as the state of the team..
As much as I would love to get a Hughes come draft day, I'm in the anti-tank group so I will gladly enjoy every single win that they get.
I just hate losing.
But...If we're keeping things realistic, we're at the 20 game mark and getting closer to the TDL so teams are really going to start ramping things up shortly which doesn't bode very well for this club.
While they seem to be getting by due to hard work and an attitude adjustment at the moment, they just don't have the horses (especially on D) to compete in the race so I'm expecting them to hit a wall in a hard way shortly.
I will continue to enjoy the wins while they come..
PlamsUnlimited
Big Church Bells
What? Normally I agree with you but you're off the rails here. Look at some of these games. You can go back and re-watch them if you want. We cough up leads enough as it is. I get you're mad because it shatters some type of illusion people have made but this team is not that good right now and will only go as far as Lundqvist takes them kicking and screaming. I am critical of Hank. This level of play is going to regress. If you want to believe other things then be my guest. Some of the least ROWs. It's not a knock against anyone but it is what it is. Right now we're good enough to be in no man's land, not more or less.
This season for Henrik reminds me of one of those old westerns. The old gun slinger who father time has put his mark on finds a cause or a quest that catches a spark and that old fire is roaring again, and the clock is turned back, and now his absolute best is on display. Unfortunately, that's the swan song, and we know how the old western usually ends. The gunslinger goes out with his boots on, and goes out in a hail of bullets rather than die an old man. I hope Henrik goes out truly knowing he left nothing on the table, and that every bit of him went into what he's done here. Nothing worse than looking back and feeling like you could have tried harder but didn't.
PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
I love the way you guys harp on ROW's like it's the be all and end all. ROW is only important if teams are tied for playoff position which this team most likely will not. The rangers didn't win it in regulation so they really arent deserving of the win WAAAAHHHH. The rangers had to go to the SO to win so it doesn't really count as a win because I don't like the SO. WAAAAHHHH. Who cares if the rangers have the least ROW's in the conference unless thats part of your agenda. They have 10 wins and are tied with or have more POINTS than about 20 other clubs in the league. I consider that a remarkable accomplishment so far for this team regardless of when they actually win the games.
I think SO wins are kind of cheap. But people are acting like SO wins are losses when in fact they'd be ties pre-lockout that would get us a point.
PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
I don't particularly like the SO in general either and I would rather see a 10 minute OT but those are the rules like it or not. I just think it's funny how the ROW number is constantly brought up by some posters like it really matters.
PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
Well Im sure you will continue to teach me every single game as the season progresses because you obviously know so much more about hockey.
Judging off of your posts in this thread, I do.
You can win games while not playing well and not deserving to win which is what we've seen during this little run for the most part.
Guess what, it almost NEVER holds up.
Inferno
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Yes. I also know they're what..12th in the nhl?
That's kinda what matters more .and honestly what matters most is how they're playing...it...feels .like they are winning games they deserve to win. In years past we'd win games and I'd be like..it's gonna turn guys, this team doesn't deserve their record.
If anything it almost feels like the rangers deaerve a few more points.
PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
Who is talking about season to season? Im talking about this season. The most important thing is points. If they are somehow a bubble team late in the season then I'll worry about ROW's. Right now I like the way this team competes and the contributions the young players are making. Dan Quinn has done a good job so far too. After the first 20 games what more could you ask for?
In hindsight, I think they should have canned AV before tearing down the roster. Maybe even before the Stepan trade, but I think they wanted to avoid his NMC or NTC or whatever he had coming to him.
For all the crap AV gets around here, he's won a lot more than he has lost. There's no way that guy doesn't get another job if he wants one.
Inferno
Registered User
I would have fired a.v. three years ago.
PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
That is reality in today's NHL with so much parity throughout the league. You win some you should lose and vice versa. There were a few games earlier in year that they absolutely deserved points but did not get any. Unlike you I don't analyze every play in every game. I'm just enjoying the season and the compete level.
Yup, Buffalo and Calgary come to mind.
but there have been far more during this run where they've gotten points where they didn't deserve any.
Inferno
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The rangers xgf and xga are basically flat...which probably should put them right smack of the middle of the nhl.
They're ranked 15th standings wise.
I'm just not seeing what you're seeing whatsoever....neither by the eye test nor the advanced stats numbers...?
Ghost of jas
Unsatisfied
Or maybe every other team in the conference has shown a better ability to win in regulation, meaning, just perhaps, there are indeed a lot more teams that are in fact better than the Rangers, so don't be shocked if they end up being one of the worst teams in the league.
The Rangers should never have lost to Ottawa. That was just piss poor in game coaching. AV should have lost his job for that. Maybe we don’t beat Pitt but we should have been in the Eastern Final again
Their possession metrics are horrendous but yeah, the XGF/XGA stuff has been okay.
Take for example last weekend, they walked out of it with 3 points when they should have gotten 0, they were horrible in both games.
They were clearly the worse team (and got some excellent fortune) against Vancouver through 40. To their credit, they won the third and the game.
I had no issue with the win yesterday or the one against the Habs (nor the one in SJ). The rest of them? They probably deserved to lose with the exception of maybe Thursday which ironically, they actually did lose.
Ghost of jas
Unsatisfied
But, even that is tenuous. Carolina has played three less games. NJ, for as bad as they've been lately, have played two less games. Pittsburgh has played three less games. The Rangers have played better lately, and by virtue of their latest streak, are temporarily in a playoff spot. One week in the other direction, and they're in the bottom of the conference. Again, you have two players exceeding career norms right now in Kreider and Zibanejad, with another (Hayes) slightly above his past numbers, You've got two unknowns in Howden and Chytil where you don't know what norm they are going to establish. For all of the talk of depth in scoring, you really only have two players playing like top six quality forwards. Hayes would be at the lower end of the scale. The defense is just not very good. Yes, they've somewhat exceeded my expectations at the moment, but there is still so much more to go. I like a lot of what I've seen, but, I'm under no illusion this team is a playoff contender, let alone going to make the playoffs.
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Inferno
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Inferno
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I think the rangers are trying to play a defensive scheme where they are willing to sacrifice volume in order to keep quality down. The layered approach.
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