Proposal: 2 Habs trades (Dvorak, Sam Girard, Cal Petersen)

[jfhabs]

Huge over values on Petry, Drouin, Domi, Tatar, Price, Weber, Josh Anderson, Dvorak and soon… Monahan.

Outside of Petry, none of those guys have been traded. How could you say it's a huge overvaluation!?

Coming from the guy who said we'd be lucky to get a 2nd rounder for Chiarot, you're throwing stones from a glass house....

 

[go4hockey]

Lol can’t la just trade daunault for girard if they really wanted a lhd? Why do they need Montreal haha

What. Hell no that would be bad for LA. We have no need for Girard at all, not the type of player we need to add and we surely won’t be trading Danault.

 

[McJedi]

Outside of Petry, none of those guys have been traded. How could you say it's a huge overvaluation!?

Coming from the guy who said we'd be lucky to get a 2nd rounder for Chiarot, you're throwing stones from a glass house....

Exactly. None of those guys were traded. And Habs fans told everyone how valuable each was. Turns out that value was never there.

Habs fans win some and lose some. Mixed bag of player value projections from that fan base.

I was sure you’d get at least a 2nd for Chiarot. Said a 1st was possible. I also thought Habs would get good value on Lex.

I was certain they’d get nothing but table scraps for Petry and called that one correctly.

 

[flyerslducks]

What. Hell no that would be bad for LA. We have no need for Girard at all, not the type of player we need to add and we surely won’t be trading Danault.

dude im not saying yall should do it haha I'm just saying the op's post doesn't make sense for la. My point, again, is that if LA wants to get a goalie or a lhd, they have a ton of assets to do it themselves and not involve another team. They can trade fwds, rhds, and picks

 

[jfhabs]

Exactly. None of those guys were traded. And Habs fans told everyone how valuable each was. Turns out that value was never there.

Habs fans win some and lose some. Mixed bag of player value projections from that fan base.

I was sure you’d get at least a 2nd for Chiarot. Said a 1st was possible. I also thought Habs would get good value on Lex.

I was certain they’d get nothing but table scraps for Petry and called that one correctly.

I exposed you, you don't remember? Won't go down your message history again. Kind of funny you double down on this and feel no shame doing so.

You said we were all crazy to ask for a first, then did a full 180 once the big reporters said we would get a 1st 100% a week away from TDL.

If they aren't traded you can't say the valuation was wrong. They might not be fore sale. For all we know, the Habs might have receive and turned down good offers.

 

[pth2]

I agree. I laugh each time someone call Dvorak 2nd C He played 3C in Montréal. Everyone are agree to say Montréal are not one of the best team in the league.

But with a strong #1 C, a team could well choose to have two #3C behind him... there are a lot of ways to build a team, and in a cap era, no team can be perfect.

 

[Chose]

I agree. I laugh each time someone call Dvorak 2nd C He played 3C in Montréal. Everyone are agree to say Montréal are not one of the best team in the league.

MTL being in a rebuild doesn't tell about their C depth.
How do you rank Suzuki in the league ? How would you see him in 5 years ?
How do you rank Monahan, he is a 2C worth the "title" ?
Any word on Dach ?
So where would you play Dvorak if you were MTL's coach ?

How do you rank the Avs C depth ? Everyone is saying they need a 2C, even though they are contenders.

Of course, there are better options than Dvo, and of course you would be looking for a better option if there weren't any other variables, but it will cost more in assets AND/OR capspace the Avs don't have.
Can he fill the gap at 2C until Newhook does the job, and then be moved to 3C ?
Can the Avs excellent other players make up for that little difference between Dvo and a true and proven 2C ?

He scored 3 goals that other night, with the mediocre Habs that is.
He was 89% in the faceoffs last game.
Is he that bad ?
Some of our fanbase might be overvaluing our players, but geez, there are so many fans of other teams devaluing our players too !

Probably not worth a 1st anymore, but still has his own value...
If you add retention and a cap dump going the other way, I can see a 1st happening...
As it was said previously, 50% retention over 2 seasons alone is worth a 2nd...

 

[Chose]

I was certain they’d get nothing but table scraps for Petry and called that one correctly.

True that ! Matheson, 28yo, former 1st, playing 20+ minutes in PIT behind Letang, fast, puck moving D, was total scraps !
Can't wait until he proves you wrong... Petry is 36yo, is paid 6,25M$ per for 3 and asked out, what would one expect ?

 

[John Mandalorian]

Oh come on, that retention alone would be worth more than that 2nd rounder.

Why? If he's an ineffective player, not really.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

What. Hell no that would be bad for LA. We have no need for Girard at all, not the type of player we need to add and we surely won’t be trading Danault.

Agreed. I only see Danault being traded to Toronto in the summer for an extended Matthews in a 6 or 7 or 8 player deal, otherwise I don't see why they would trade him.

 

[pth2]

Why? If he's an ineffective player, not really.

Multiple years 50% retention for a player on a reasonable salary for what he delivers, in the middle of a league-wide cap crunch, is going to cost a lot more than just a 2nd.

Even if you don't like the player, you have to be reasonable and try and find middle ground that makes some sense for all teams involved.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Multiple years 50% retention for a player on a reasonable salary for what he delivers, in the middle of a league-wide cap crunch, is going to cost a lot more than just a 2nd.

Even if you don't like the player, you have to be reasonable and try and find middle ground that makes some sense for all teams involved.

Not really. A team has to create a reason for others to want this player.

 

[franste Perreault]

MTL being in a rebuild doesn't tell about their C depth.
How do you rank Suzuki in the league ? How would you see him in 5 years ?
How do you rank Monahan, he is a 2C worth the "title" ?
Any word on Dach ?
So where would you play Dvorak if you were MTL's coach ?

How do you rank the Avs C depth ? Everyone is saying they need a 2C, even though they are contenders.

Of course, there are better options than Dvo, and of course you would be looking for a better option if there weren't any other variables, but it will cost more in assets AND/OR capspace the Avs don't have.
Can he fill the gap at 2C until Newhook does the job, and then be moved to 3C ?
Can the Avs excellent other players make up for that little difference between Dvo and a true and proven 2C ?

He scored 3 goals that other night, with the mediocre Habs that is.
He was 89% in the faceoffs last game.
Is he that bad ?
Some of our fanbase might be overvaluing our players, but geez, there are so many fans of other teams devaluing our players too !

Probably not worth a 1st anymore, but still has his own value...
If you add retention and a cap dump going the other way, I can see a 1st happening...
As it was said previously, 50% retention over 2 seasons alone is worth a 2nd...

In response Dvorak are in the right spot in 3C in Montréal
Suzuki is now a top 25 center in the league and in 5 years maybe top 15 but 5 years it's long and injury can slow any players
Monahan Played very not bad right now and deserve his spot 2C
Dach will be a winger to soft @ faceoff

Now for Colorado
Mackinnon are the 1C
They try Newhook at 2C spot but in their last cup run
When Kadri are injured Rantanen take the 2C spot
For me Dvorak are similar than J.T. Compher but maybe compher have more grit. That's why Colorado don't need him

But with a strong #1 C, a team could well choose to have two #3C behind him... there are a lot of ways to build a team, and in a cap era, no team can be perfect.

Very agree with you
No team can be perfect and it'how you manage the cap situation

 

[Ncit3]

LA do not want Sam Girard.

Kings needs LD with size and physicality.

Girard has none of those qualities.

Droin is not needed by Kings either.

This proposal is simply stupid from LA point of view.

We could send you Kurtis MacDermid back. He has plenty of size and physicality. Plus you get an extra forward. Who would say no to Dermy for Kupari + 1st? Not the Kings, surely.

 

[thefutures]

Dvorak is the perfect montreal player, they should keep him

 

[Cianide]

Horrible for the Kings. LA doesn't need a small pmd. They don't need an underachieving droiun either. Kings easily say no.

 

[pth2]

Not really. A team has to create a reason for others to want this player.

I get that you don't like Dvorak. Fine. But the suggestion that the any team retain for 3 seasons to only get a 2nd rounder back is absurd, whoever the player might be.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I get that you don't like Dvorak. Fine. But the suggestion that the any team retain for 3 seasons to only get a 2nd rounder back is absurd, whoever the player might be.

OK. But where's the appeal otherwise?

 

[pth2]

OK. But where's the appeal otherwise?

For Montreal, there is none. For Colorado, I don't know, I'm not proposing anything.

I'm just saying that if you're going to disagree on a proposal, your counterproposal needs to make sense for both teams. Your counterproposal just makes no sense for Montreal. And this to such an extent you should be aware of it, since just the retention is worth more than the return. And while you don't like Dvorak, he's still a signed NHLer on a reasonable deal contributing right now, these guys have value.

 

[John Mandalorian]

For Montreal, there is none. For Colorado, I don't know, I'm not proposing anything.

I'm just saying that if you're going to disagree on a proposal, your counterproposal needs to make sense for both teams. Your counterproposal just makes no sense for Montreal. And this to such an extent you should be aware of it, since just the retention is worth more than the return. And while you don't like Dvorak, he's still a signed NHLer on a reasonable deal contributing right now, these guys have value.

There's no appeal for Colorado. And, in spite of your victim hood, you act like Colorado exists to trade Montreal a 1st.

So you say I should see it from the other side? Maybe you should eat your own soup?

Whether he's on a reasonable contract is entirely dependent on one thing. Is he a 2C or a 3C? It's only a reasonable contract if you see him as a 2C. As a 3C, the contract isn't reasonable at all.

 

[catmanhabsfan]

There's no appeal for Colorado. And, in spite of your victim hood, you act like Colorado exists to trade Montreal a 1st.

So you say I should see it from the other side? Maybe you should eat your own soup?

Whether he's on a reasonable contract is entirely dependent on one thing. Is he a 2C or a 3C? It's only a reasonable contract if you see him as a 2C. As a 3C, the contract isn't reasonable at all.

What the hell man. No habs fan wants this trade or even proposed it. Chill out. We know Dvorak is of no interest to you. Cool we don't care and doubt anyone will want him at this point in his contract. We aren't going anywhere any time soon and our cap issues will be a thing of the past next summer

 

[ole ole]

OK. But where's the appeal otherwise?

As one has already pointed out none for the Habs.

How about if I would say that 1st rounder from Montreal fit into the LA long term plans more than Durzi or Arvidsson?

Would you like it?

Hey try to remember that the OP is not a Hab fans .

 

[ole ole]

OK, 1st rounder from Montreal for Durzi or Arvidsson is done.

The poster that your answering isn't a Hab fan. From us Hab fans we easily say NO.

 

[ole ole]

Cmon Habs fans. Do you even watch Colorado play?

Cmon Habs fans. Do you even watch Colorado play?

Maybe you should directing that question to Leaf fans since it was one of your own that is the OP.

 

[Be a Hab]

I like seeing people still doing trade proposals. Trades are not always fair but it's fun to read.

To the OP, if we acquire Girard, I'd hope we keep him. He's the type of defenseman we don't have right now in our lineup.

He's a good player.