lanceuppercut75
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Kopitar is extremely old and Danault is their only other top 6 center. Kopitar Byfield Kupari Lizotte is not a playoff center group, at least not until Byfield and Kupari show more in the NHL.
Proposal: 2 Habs trades (Dvorak, Sam Girard, Cal Petersen)
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lanceuppercut75
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Why would the type of player Girard is matter to the Habs when they're only going to own his rights for 10 or 15 or 20 minutes, and he isn't going to play any hockey as a Hab?
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And we are giving up Joshua Roy and a 2nd for what?
oh my...
The Kings have no interest in any of the mentioned players but offer a 1st and Kupari.
This makes total sense
The Kings have no interest in any of the mentioned players but offer a 1st and Kupari.
This makes total sense
We are absolutely not offering that.Lol...
Why would Colorado trade with Montreal if LA wants Sam Girard. We certainly don't want Dvorak or our late 2nd round pick back
We'll happily just cut Montreal out and trade Girard to LA for Kupari + 1st if that's what they are offering.
Someone dragged us innocent people into this discussion for absolutely nor reason.
Colorado should trade with Montreal directly
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i know this, was just saying there is no need to trade extra assets when they have enough assets to go after a lhd if needed.
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Habs fans overvalue the shit out of their players and say no to everything that is close to fair value. So at this point can we really say all 3 teams?
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Did you not also have Danault? That's a big difference. Also, you didn't win any playoff rounds with that group.uhm... we made the playoff with this very group
You have weird views
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Dvorak 50% retained for Colorado’s 2025 2nd.
@lanceuppercut75 You’re seriously over estimating his value. And your dedication to all parts of the deal in the OP is not helping you.
@lanceuppercut75 You’re seriously over estimating his value. And your dedication to all parts of the deal in the OP is not helping you.
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If Colorado was going to acquire Dvorak, it already would’ve happened. They’re not going to add term with whoever they do go out and get, to fill in for half a season at 2C, assuming Newhook is still struggling.
Girard is also their ammunition to go get a legit winger who can bring some of the abrasiveness they lost with Kadri. A player who plays in traffic really well. They’re not going to waste Girard’s value on a player like Dvorak, even if they decide tomorrow that Newhook can’t ever play C in their Top 6.
Yes, these first 9 games, Newhook has struggled at 2C, and maybe they should’ve had him playing in the AHL last year to learn how to play C in the NHL, but he is a natural C. He should come around learning on the job but it won’t happen overnight.
Playing C in the NHL has changed in the last ten years. The responsibility has changed, and we’re seeing this a lot recently with young players being put on the wing as they start their NHL careers, who then struggle when the change to C is made. Where they should’ve been playing in the AHL (for a year) to develop at C. Newhook is only one example recently. He’ll be fine. It will just take some time. What sucks for the Avs, is they’re in their window. Will they wait the year or more it might take? Guess we shall find out.
He’s obviously thinking way to much out there right now and just needs to play. It’s been frustrating watching him. He’s doing a lot of chasing and sometimes he’s chasing the wrong player, but if they can weather this, and he comes around, his natural ability will come out.
Worst case, they move him back to the wing full time (later this season) but likely not for good. He’s too talented.
One thing we’ve seen with young Cs in this position, is they’ll move the player back to the wing around the deadline and go out and acquire a stop-gap C, for the rest of the season. Then come next year, they’ll likely try it again. He’s too talented to not have him playing C in the top 6.
So if he continues to struggle like this, look for them to add a ‘UFA to be’ player. Whether that’s Bo Horvat, Pius Suter, or another player who can fill in for this year’s playoff.
They are NOT going to add Dvorak’s contract. They’d much rather give the Canucks a 1st round pick for Horvat as a complete rental, than add multiple years of Dvorak. More likely though, they go get a player like Pius Suter who can play that role the rest of this season as they wait for Newhook to develop.
Suter would cost them no more than a 3rd round pick, and would likely produce just as much as Dvorak while being pretty decent in his own zone…. Also, without the anchor of a multi-year contract.
Even if they do ultimately determine Newhook just can’t play 2C in the NHL, sure, there’s a possibility they go get a player with some term. That player still won’t be Christian Dvorak.
Girard is also their ammunition to go get a legit winger who can bring some of the abrasiveness they lost with Kadri. A player who plays in traffic really well. They’re not going to waste Girard’s value on a player like Dvorak, even if they decide tomorrow that Newhook can’t ever play C in their Top 6.
Yes, these first 9 games, Newhook has struggled at 2C, and maybe they should’ve had him playing in the AHL last year to learn how to play C in the NHL, but he is a natural C. He should come around learning on the job but it won’t happen overnight.
Playing C in the NHL has changed in the last ten years. The responsibility has changed, and we’re seeing this a lot recently with young players being put on the wing as they start their NHL careers, who then struggle when the change to C is made. Where they should’ve been playing in the AHL (for a year) to develop at C. Newhook is only one example recently. He’ll be fine. It will just take some time. What sucks for the Avs, is they’re in their window. Will they wait the year or more it might take? Guess we shall find out.
He’s obviously thinking way to much out there right now and just needs to play. It’s been frustrating watching him. He’s doing a lot of chasing and sometimes he’s chasing the wrong player, but if they can weather this, and he comes around, his natural ability will come out.
Worst case, they move him back to the wing full time (later this season) but likely not for good. He’s too talented.
One thing we’ve seen with young Cs in this position, is they’ll move the player back to the wing around the deadline and go out and acquire a stop-gap C, for the rest of the season. Then come next year, they’ll likely try it again. He’s too talented to not have him playing C in the top 6.
So if he continues to struggle like this, look for them to add a ‘UFA to be’ player. Whether that’s Bo Horvat, Pius Suter, or another player who can fill in for this year’s playoff.
They are NOT going to add Dvorak’s contract. They’d much rather give the Canucks a 1st round pick for Horvat as a complete rental, than add multiple years of Dvorak. More likely though, they go get a player like Pius Suter who can play that role the rest of this season as they wait for Newhook to develop.
Suter would cost them no more than a 3rd round pick, and would likely produce just as much as Dvorak while being pretty decent in his own zone…. Also, without the anchor of a multi-year contract.
Even if they do ultimately determine Newhook just can’t play 2C in the NHL, sure, there’s a possibility they go get a player with some term. That player still won’t be Christian Dvorak.
We ride out the contracts of Kopitar and Doughty and deal with the future after those.
This is why we are not trading for 29 year old.
We are no contenders in any kind or form. The playoffs were made because 5 out of the 8 teams in our division are rebuilding
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Oh come on, that retention alone would be worth more than that 2nd rounder.
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I'm not sold on this deal, since it seems not to fill anyone's needs and all fans seem to hate it...
That being said, kuods to the OP for making a decent enough proposal that there is no blatant bias and all fanbases seem to dislike it fairly equally... and for all the explanation for the reasoning. It means we can disagree with OP but we aren't wondering why something was included.
That being said, kuods to the OP for making a decent enough proposal that there is no blatant bias and all fanbases seem to dislike it fairly equally... and for all the explanation for the reasoning. It means we can disagree with OP but we aren't wondering why something was included.
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100% agree.
Dvorak alone is not enough to get Girard.
I can go with DVO + Edmundson + Kidney vs Girard + Compher.
Dvorak is Tatar is Drouin is Price. All players Habs fans at HF wanted to pawn off to the Avs. None of them players the Avs want or need.
So any trade worth Dvorak, Anderson, Savard, Price, Edmondson. The answer is no. No interest in any of those players.
Drouin for JTC is the only traded I do and that’s just deck shuffling. Avs really don’t have want or need for Drouin either.
You trading any of Suzuki or Caufield. I’m listening. But why would you? Otherwise, Habs got nothing Sakic wants or needs.
So any trade worth Dvorak, Anderson, Savard, Price, Edmondson. The answer is no. No interest in any of those players.
Drouin for JTC is the only traded I do and that’s just deck shuffling. Avs really don’t have want or need for Drouin either.
You trading any of Suzuki or Caufield. I’m listening. But why would you? Otherwise, Habs got nothing Sakic wants or needs.
Take out all those Habs players and put Guhle in there and the Avs listen.
Otherwise, any trade with Girard going to Montreal cannot have unwanted contracts like Dvorak or Anderson attached to pollute the Avs cap space.
Only ELCs.
Dvorak has zero appeal. Drouin has zero appeal.
Yes Colorado will need to add 2nd C but They really can have a better than Dvorak.
A trade including Girard and Newhook can give one of the best 2nd C in the league.
Colorado front office show in the past that they have patience and they are not push panic button.
Montréal fans need to revaluate Dvorak because he's not a 2nd C.
A trade including Girard and Newhook can give one of the best 2nd C in the league.
Colorado front office show in the past that they have patience and they are not push panic button.
Montréal fans need to revaluate Dvorak because he's not a 2nd C.
In the past year, what player that ended up being traded was actually overvalued?
Seems to me like habs fans were wright on Chiarot, Lehkonen, Toffoli and Kulak. Many even undervalued Lehkonen and Kulak...
Of course we have a small portion of our fan base being delusional, like every other.
Huge over values on Petry, Drouin, Domi, Tatar, Price, Weber, Josh Anderson, Dvorak and soon… Monahan.
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