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Post-Game Talk: #2 - 10/5/19 | RANGERS @ senators | 7:00 - MSG

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Wicked Backhand said:
That goal was hockey porn.
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It certainly was. But from the Debbie Downer view, I hope that they will not fall in love with the desire for the tic tac toe all the time. I still have bad memories of Rangers past trying for the highlight reel goal all the time instead of making the simple play.

Again, not that I did not love it or admire the skill level. But teams will prepare and be in position to take the extra pass away and turn it into a scoring chance.
 
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Edge said:
In other words, do we see a Howden, Skjei and Georgiev for a second line center and a middle six winger deal at some point? Quite possible.
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I do not disagree, but again it is VERY early. No one would blink if in games 39 & 40 a Panarin did not light the lamp in two games. And as you and I know, the kids are still very young. I think that if this team exceeds absolutely all expectations and is actually truly competitive this year, then a trade like you are stating is very likely. Especially if BOTH Georgiev and Shesty are doing very well in the year. BUT OTOH, if this is looking like a lottery team as the season grinds on, I think that the chances are that they take the time to see if Cytil is doing well and the long term answer may well be a Lundell or a Holloway.
 
zephyr said:
Rangers weren't exactly over the hill when they drafted Park....however, it wasn't long after when the trading of young talent for "established vets". That '79 group was probably the closest to what we have now.
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Other than this current "rebuild" or "build" whatever you want to call it the past three draft years, the Rangers from my recollection have only had two other times in the 50 years I've been a fan where we as a fanbase knew the team was rebuilding and were prepared for it.

1st time was after that JP Parise goal back in '75 signified the end of those really good to almost great Ranger teams from '70--75 when we drafted guys like Don Murdoch, Mike McEwen, Deblois, Duguay,Mario Marios and Don Maloney. Those were the young guns that were big parts of that amazing '79 Cup run and who played on those very competitive Ranger teams of the early 80's who used to lose to the damn Islanders every stinken year.

Obviously there were veterens like Hedberg, Nilsson, Greshner, Dave Maloney but the problem for those teams was other than JD that one stretch back in '79, the goaltending of guys like Glen Hanlan, Steve Weeks, Steve Baker, Eddie Mio etc...was never really up to snuff and was never elite enough for us to get past the Islanders. That's what held back those teams IMO.

2nd time was around 1988-1991 or so when after a couple of crappy years, mngt drafted some real good players again like Amonte, Weight, Zubov, Nemchinov, Kovalev which added to Richter and Leetch having been drafted in '85 and '86, we now had a solid influx of youth again which all either helped us win the Cup in '94 or were traded away for guys who helped us win that Cup. Unlike that first "rebuild", we had goalies this time like Beezer and Richter who were elite and to where we could be competitive for a Cup.

So as I said, this is the 3rd rebuild I can recall and this one looks like it should be THE most successful of all of them seeing the talent we've acquired the past 3 drafts has been elite and ultimatly we'll be able to use some of these pieces to add some more young veteren talent to add to the Panarins, Zibs, Buch's, Trouba's. And like that 2nd rebuild in the late 80's early 90's, this rebuild has the goalie component as Georgie and/or Shesty should be the guy to lead us to the promised land.

So yeah, this is a very exciting time here seeing I'd be truly shocked if we arent seriously competing for the Cup beginning 2022 thru the end of the decade. This truly has the makings of what could be a golden age just like teams like the Black Hawks, Penguins have had over the past 10 years in that we should not be thinking just another Cup but multiple Cups during the new decade to come.

We'll see but I'm stoked for what's to come.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
Okay, I don't think we disagree with each other, just a matter of wording. I think most people thought he had the talent to become a bona fide star 1C, it was just a matter of putting it together and having some real talent around him (and staying healthy). So, he's doing that. I mean if we're saying he's a 4 point per game player, then yeah, he's exceeding wildest expectations, but we know that's not going to be sustained over the year.
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Another example of being patient with kids who broke into the league as teens.
 
Maximus said:
Other than this current "rebuild" or "build" whatever you want to call it the past three draft years, the Rangers from my recollection have only had two other times in the 50 years I've been a fan where we as a fanbase knew the team was rebuilding and were prepared for it.

1st time was after that JP Parise goal back in '75 signified the end of those really good to almost great Ranger teams from '70--75 when we drafted guys like Don Murdoch, Mike McEwen, Deblois, Duguay,Mario Marios and Don Maloney. Those were the young guns that were big parts of that amazing '79 Cup run and who played on those very competitive Ranger teams of the early 80's who used to lose to the damn Islanders every stinken year.

Obviously there were veterens like Hedberg, Nilsson, Greshner, Dave Maloney but the problem for those teams was other than JD that one stretch back in '79, the goaltending of guys like Glen Hanlan, Steve Weeks, Steve Baker, Eddie Mio etc...was never really up to snuff and was never elite enough for us to get past the Islanders. That's what held back those teams IMO.

2nd time was around 1988-1991 or so when after a couple of crappy years, mngt drafted some real good players again like Amonte, Weight, Zubov, Nemchinov, Kovalev which added to Richter and Leetch having been drafted in '85 and '86, we now had a solid influx of youth again which all either helped us win the Cup in '94 or were traded away for guys who helped us win that Cup. Unlike that first "rebuild", we had goalies this time like Beezer and Richter who were elite and to where we could be competitive for a Cup.

So as I said, this is the 3rd rebuild I can recall and this one looks like it should be THE most successful of all of them seeing the talent we've acquired the past 3 drafts has been elite and ultimatly we'll be able to use some of these pieces to add some more young veteren talent to add to the Panarins, Zibs, Buch's, Trouba's. And like that 2nd rebuild in the late 80's early 90's, this rebuild has the goalie component as Georgie and/or Shesty should be the guy to lead us to the promised land.

So yeah, this is a very exciting time here seeing I'd be truly shocked if we arent seriously competing for the Cup beginning 2022 thru the end of the decade. This truly has the makings of what could be a golden age just like teams like the Black Hawks, Penguins have had over the past 10 years in that we should not be thinking just another Cup but multiple Cups during the new decade to come.

We'll see but I'm stoked for what's to come.
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Actually you missed the early 2000’s rebuild that got the Rangers close to SC again, but it was a weird one because high picks didn’t bring a superstar and higher quality of the supporting cast but the team stumbled into a generational goalie in a 7th round.

The rest I agree.
 
Edge said:
The second line center spot is a big hole right now - several potential answers, but not a definitive answer to this point.

Ditto for some long term help on the wings - something to round out what Kravtsov, Kakko and potentially Buch bring. There’s also the potential for some of the same players being eyed as potential second line centers helping out in this department.

I think we also need more skills options on the left defensive side in the organization.

In terms of moving guys, I think Skjei will be moved at some point - but probably not until Miller has shown he can step into the NHL. It doesn’t do anyone any good to throw a young player into the same type of scenario that sent Skjei down his current path.

At some point you’ll see guys packaged to fill holes. The odds say that there will come a point when at least one of Howden, Andersson or Chytil is going to be moved.

So, let’s say a second line center doesn’t emerge from that trio, or you find yourself with a winger and two third line centers, I think that’s when you see one of them packaged, perhaps with a goalie and a defenseman, to try and fill that second line center hole.

In other words, do we see a Howden, Skjei and Georgiev for a second line center and a middle six winger deal at some point? Quite possible.
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Panarin and likely one of Kravtsov or Buchnevich shifting to LW will make for a complete set of high end top 6 wingers.

As far as RNH is concerned I doubt the organization will be looking that way. They didn’t keep Hayes partially because of his UFA contract and in a year it’s likely RNH will be more expensive.

Staying patient is a better path right now to see what one of our C prospects could develop into. Should stay patient with Chytil specifically.
 
kovazub94 said:
Actually you missed the early 2000’s rebuild that got the Rangers close to SC again, but it was a weird one because high picks didn’t bring a superstar and higher quality of the supporting cast but the team stumbled into a generational goalie in a 7th round.

The rest I agree.
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I dunno, I don't really consider what we did in the early 2000's a rebuild. I mean other than Hank, who else did we draft who became even really good? Fedor Tytun was a pretty good dman and I believe he was part of the deal that got us Nash. Picking Prucha in 2002 was not too bad tho he petered out after a shockingly solid rookie year.

These were the years we took Hugh Jessiman, Laurie Korporkoski and Al Montoya...yuuck. Not too many good picks during this period...not sure what you are seeing or any kind of successfull rebuild. We stunk from 1997 till 20005...the "Dark Ages"...remember? lol

We got very unlucky with the tragic Cherapanov death in 2007. Don't forget, Sather was trading #1 picks like chicklets back than for the Bobby Holik's and Scott Gomez's of the world.

We finally got lucky with some pretty good picks like Staal, Dubinsky, Callaghan, Hagelin, Del Zotto, Kreider most of whom became integral pieces of those very good Ranger playoff teams we had for a decade. But I don't ever consider what mngt did being a "rebuild" like what is going on now and what occured back in the mid 70's and late 80's early 90's and of course what is going on now.
 
Maximus said:
I dunno, I don't really consider what we did in the early 2000's a rebuild. I mean other than Hank, who else did we draft who became even really good? Fedor Tytun was a pretty good dman and I believe he was part of the deal that got us Nash. Picking Prucha in 2002 was not too bad tho he petered out after a shockingly solid rookie year.

These were the years we took Hugh Jessiman, Laurie Korporkoski and Al Montoya...yuuck. Not too many good picks during this period...not sure what you are seeing or any kind of successfull rebuild. We stunk from 1997 till 20005...the "Dark Ages"...remember? lol

We got very unlucky with the tragic Cherapanov death in 2007. Don't forget, Sather was trading #1 picks like chicklets back than for the Bobby Holik's and Scott Gomez's of the world.

We finally got lucky with some pretty good picks like Staal, Dubinsky, Callaghan, Hagelin, Del Zotto, Kreider most of whom became integral pieces of those very good Ranger playoff teams we had for a decade. But I don't ever consider what mngt did being a "rebuild" like what is going on now and what occured back in the mid 70's and late 80's early 90's and of course what is going on now.
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The 2004 had iirc, a record for TDL player movement.

The NHL was on the verge of collapse. I never really thought of that as a true “fire sale” in the sense that the Broadway Brass were really rebuilding.

Lundqvist was drafted in 2000 even though his first game was in 2005 after the lockout.

y2k wasn’t exactly a year of confidence for Rangers future planning.

Moreover, the jury was still out on the King, and had Weekes not shit the bed as early as he did, Henrik might not have been the starter until 2006.

Furthermore, aside from the cap ham stringing the MSG coin purse a bit, once the King showed he was the real deal, and how quickly Dolan went back to spending —> buyout —> spending leads me to believe there was never a rebuild plan.

The only long term plan was to secure all funding for the garden renovation.

The King really dragged a whack team pretty far.

I think the Dark Ages have become the unfortunate litmus for everything.

If the Rangers make a decision that doesn’t lead to a worm hole opening at center ice, it’s a positive these days.
 
kovazub94 said:
Panarin and likely one of Kravtsov or Buchnevich shifting to LW will make for a complete set of high end top 6 wingers.

As far as RNH is concerned I doubt the organization will be looking that way. They didn’t keep Hayes partially because of his UFA contract and in a year it’s likely RNH will be more expensive.

Staying patient is a better path right now to see what one of our C prospects could develop into. Should stay patient with Chytil specifically.
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Re: wingers, I like what we potentially have in the top six. I am curious to see what comes of the middle six. Be it centers moving over to the wing, the emergence of guys like Barron or Lemieux, etc., there’s not a lot of depth there right now now.

Re: centers, I definitely agree on patience. Having said that, I’d suspect the Rangers are probably monitoring the situation closely. Especially if they get to a point where they feel reasonably secure with who they have centering their first and third lines.
 
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True Blue said:
I do not disagree, but again it is VERY early. No one would blink if in games 39 & 40 a Panarin did not light the lamp in two games. And as you and I know, the kids are still very young. I think that if this team exceeds absolutely all expectations and is actually truly competitive this year, then a trade like you are stating is very likely. Especially if BOTH Georgiev and Shesty are doing very well in the year. BUT OTOH, if this is looking like a lottery team as the season grinds on, I think that the chances are that they take the time to see if Cytil is doing well and the long term answer may well be a Lundell or a Holloway.
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To be clear, I’m not expecting anything imminent. I meant it more if a heir apparent isn’t obvious this time next year, or towards the end of next season.
 
Edge said:
The second line center spot is a big hole right now - several potential answers, but not a definitive answer to this point.

Ditto for some long term help on the wings - something to round out what Kravtsov, Kakko and potentially Buch bring. There’s also the potential for some of the same players being eyed as potential second line centers helping out in this department.

I think we also need more skills options on the left defensive side in the organization.

In terms of moving guys, I think Skjei will be moved at some point - but probably not until Miller has shown he can step into the NHL. It doesn’t do anyone any good to throw a young player into the same type of scenario that sent Skjei down his current path.

At some point you’ll see guys packaged to fill holes. The odds say that there will come a point when at least one of Howden, Andersson or Chytil is going to be moved.

So, let’s say a second line center doesn’t emerge from that trio, or you find yourself with a winger and two third line centers, I think that’s when you see one of them packaged, perhaps with a goalie and a defenseman, to try and fill that second line center hole.

In other words, do we see a Howden, Skjei and Georgiev for a second line center and a middle six winger deal at some point? Quite possible.
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May be an unpopular opinion but I think Georgiev is the future. If Shesterkin shows promise in the AHL + any call-ups, then I can see him packaged in a similar deal for a young center.
 
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Krams said:
May be an unpopular opinion but I think Georgiev is the future. If Shesterkin shows promise in the AHL + any call-ups, then I can see him packaged in a similar deal for a young center.
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He very well could be.

While I personally think Shesterkin has the extra something special in him, I can’t say I have a strong opinion one way or the other as to who “wins” when all is said done. Just so long as we keep the better option and maximize the value of the other. :D
 
Krams said:
May be an unpopular opinion but I think Georgiev is the future. If Shesterkin shows promise in the AHL + any call-ups, then I can see him packaged in a similar deal for a young center.
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Funny you mention this but was reading a little bit of the Debbie board last night when they were imploding and read a post stating that even though "it's the hated Rangers", that Shero should reach out to JD and Gorton and see what it would take for either Shesty or Georgie as if that would ever happen.

Just thought it interesting and humorous that they are unhappy with their goaltending whereas we are in the opposite end of the spectrum in which goaltending even when Hank hangs them up, we should still be in very good shape between the pipes.
 
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I realize that I'm "new" 'round these parts, but I would like to petition for a new victory gif. I feel like the flamingo has peaked.

The Rangers are 2-0, while scoring a ton in victory. All these good vibes started when Andersson fell on his ass during the intro. So...what say you, gents? Andersson tripping as the new victory gif!
 
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JaxRanger said:
I realize that I'm "new" 'round these parts, but I would like to petition for a new victory gif. I feel like the flamingo has peaked.

The Rangers are 2-0, while scoring a ton in victory. All these good vibes started when Andersson fell on his ass during the intro. So...what say you, gents? Andersson tripping as the new victory gif!
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Welcome! I'm assuming Jacksonville FL? If so, that makes two of us!
 
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Maximus said:
Funny you mention this but was reading a little bit of the Debbie board last night when they were imploding and read a post stating that even though "it's the hated Rangers", that Shero should reach out to JD and Gorton and see what it would take for either Shesty or Georgie as if that would ever happen.

Just thought it interesting and humorous that they are unhappy with our goaltending whereas we are in the opposite end of the spectrum in which goaltending even when Hank hangs them up, we should still be in very good shape between the pipes.
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I'll take Hischier for Georgie. They need a goalie, we need a center. It fits both teams needs perfectly, clearly.
 
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