Proposal: 1st OA for 2nd OA

[Surfer Dude]

Contracts not withstanding, a 50+ point defenseman is much more valuable than an undersized winger considering both players are in their 20s. Just the way it is.

39 points last year which is closer to his current value objectively speaking who is looking for big contract as your team rebuild vs 60-80 pts wing even if he's undersized who is 22 years old who can be part of the rebuild.

Sharks can also add some prospects or picks that I listed but I don't think the centerpiece is that far off already. They have one of the deepest pool to rejuvenate your pipeline.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

39 points last year which is closer to his current value objective who is looking for big contract as your team rebuild vs 60-80 pts wing even if he's undersized who is 22 years old who can be part of the rebuild.

Small sample size in a season where Barzal missed the majority of it. Plus it's prorated 45 over 82 games.

Bigger sample size:
230 points in 388 career regular season games, just under 49 points per season

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Sharks can also add some prospects or picks that I listed but I don't think the centerpiece is that far off already. They have one of the deepest pool that to rejuvenate your pipeline.

There's nothing reasonable that you can add that can bridge the gap because it's incredibly lopsided in SJ's favor.

If NYI wanted to rebuild, they could get a haul for Dobson in a different trade while also not trading down from 1OA to 2OA. I'm not sure why you think we would have to trade Dobson to the Sharks in a highly unfavorable deal. There would be 30 other teams who would be interested in a 25 year old, 50 point RHD.

 

[Bizz]

Sharks already have Dickinson in the pipeline. They have zero need to trade up here just for Schaefer.

If NYI picks Misa or anyone else, we get Schaefer anyways.
If NYI picks Schaefer, we still have Dickinson and will draft Misa.

If Schaefer was an RD, then I can see the need for them to make a trade offer to move up, but not in this case.

 

[Surfer Dude]

There's nothing reasonable that you can add that can bridge the gap because it's incredibly lopsided in SJ's favor.

If NYI wanted to rebuild, they could get a haul for Dobson in a different trade while also not trading down from 1OA to 2OA.

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[leeroggy]

Islanders can turn around real fast and build a foundation, Sharks need a defenseman not a center.

William Eklund
2nd OA

For
1st OA

To be realistic, I was thinking before seeing this:

Eklund
2nd overall

for

1st overall
Isles 2nd
Danny Nelson

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I mentioned this in the other thread, but I could see a swap in exchange for Dallas's 1st and SJ 2nd this year. Two picks around 30 feels like the right value.

 

[matt trick]

I mentioned this in the other thread, but I could see a swap in exchange for Dallas's 1st and SJ 2nd this year. Two picks around 30 feels like the right value.

I'd probably do it, as I'm a big Schaefer fan. No idea if Grier would. I like Misa nearly as much, but the positional need and slightly lower ranking (on my list anyway), is such that I think it's worth spending some auxiliary draft capital is worthwhile.

Maybe we give up Cherny and Musty level prospects, or maybe it's Bystedt and Havelid level guys. I'd risk it.

No chance I would give up Eklund+2nd for him though.

 

[boredmale]

I mentioned this in the other thread, but I could see a swap in exchange for Dallas's 1st and SJ 2nd this year. Two picks around 30 feels like the right value.

One thing that may make sense is San Jose trades one of those picks to move up to 1, then Islanders trade the 2nd pick to Chicago for the Islanders 2026 2nd rounder and a 4th rounder.

That way San Jose and Chicago get Schaeffer and Misa while the Islanders get Hagens and a bunch of picks

 

[Bond]

I think if Parekh was in this years draft (with his 2023-24 performance) he's be in the mix with Misa and Hagens. SO not lots, but I haven't thought much beyond the initial pieces lol

I wouldn’t do that as a Flames fan. Parekh’s the only D prospect that has legitimate #1D upside in the system and he progressed well. Basically have to pray the Flames get a Point type pick.

 

[Stealth JD]

Most I could see San Jose offering NYI would be Dallas 1st pick for them to take Misa and not Schaefer…and even that seems slightly rich.

 

[boredmale]

Most I could see San Jose offering NYI would be Dallas 1st pick for them to take Misa and not Schaefer…and even that seems slightly rich.

As I said above maybe a 3 way deal between the Islanders, SJ and Chicago makes sense where SJ and Chicago get their guys while the Islander get Hagens and a bunch of picks from both teams. That way both Chicago and SJ don't have to pay full price to get the guy they want

 

[BKarchitect]

One thing that may make sense is San Jose trades one of those picks to move up to 1, then Islanders trade the 2nd pick to Chicago for the Islanders 2026 2nd rounder and a 4th rounder.

That way San Jose and Chicago get Schaeffer and Misa while the Islanders get Hagens and a bunch of picks

Like a lot of folks, I love the idea of Hagens on the Isles. Back earlier in the season when Hagens was kind of the #1 guy, I just kept thinking to myself - the Islanders need to just go ahead and tank harder…they need a franchise identity moving forward and here’s the local boy who is that guy.

But, at the end of the day, this kind of maneuvering only makes sense if the Isles scouting group truly believes there is really no gap between the three. If they have Schaefer #1, don’t over-think it. If they have Misa #1 and can do one easy deal with San Jose, with essentially a guarantee that the Sharks are picking Schaefer, then do that. To pull off two moves with two different teams, end up with the guy you want and a ton of extra picks…that’s gonna be a real challenge, though a great strategy in a vacuum.

 

[boredmale]

Like a lot of folks, I love the idea of Hagens on the Isles. Back earlier in the season when Hagens was kind of the #1 guy, I just kept thinking to myself - the Islanders need to just go ahead and tank harder…they need a franchise identity moving forward and here’s the local boy who is that guy.

But, at the end of the day, this kind of maneuvering only makes sense if the Isles scouting group truly believes there is really no gap between the three. If they have Schaefer #1, don’t over-think it. If they have Misa #1 and can do one easy deal with San Jose, with essentially a guarantee that the Sharks are picking Schaefer, then do that. To pull off two moves with two different teams, end up with the guy you want and a ton of extra picks…that’s gonna be a real challenge, though a great strategy in a vacuum.

It's much harder finding top end forwards later in a draft then a defenseman so for the Islanders it makes sense going with Misa or Hagens. I am also a bit weary picking a guy #1 who only played 20 games, you worry even people are over romanticizing how great he is so yeah if they can somehow pick up a few picks and end up with a forward I think that is a good draft to me

From SJ viewpoint I am guessing they want the defenseman and from Chicago's POV I am guessing they would have more value for Misa than Hagens. All that being said if Chiacgo really wants Schaeffer we can cut SJ out of the deal since they have enough capital to move up from 3 to 1

 

[gary559]

2OA + Chernyshov for 1OA. The Isles get Misa + Chernyshov connection from the CHL, Sharks get their defenseman.

I like this better than what I originally proposed. Good job.

 

[bert]

As a Sharks fan. I'll pass

Probably need a pretty big Add from Calgary.

If I am the Islanders I take the first deal and run. There has to be something that works that doesnt involve giving up Eklund. Schaefer is #1 for sure but I dont think Misa is that far behind. The Sharks have alot of picks.

What about San 1st + Dallas 1st + Ottawa 2nd to move up?

 

[bert]

So we give up Dobson, who is a very valuable piece himself, and drop down to 2OA, and only get Eklund in return?

That's absolutely horrific for the NYI.

Yeah thats a bad deal, just take a bunch of extra picks to move. Maybe both of San Jose's 2nds or one 2nd and the Dallas first on top of # 2 OA.

Its actually a great situation for the Islanders who need to do this rebuild properly. They dont have a 2nd next year so maybe one of San Jose's 2nds next year and an extra 1st this year.

 

[Grinner]

Probably need a pretty big Add from Calgary.

If I am the Islanders I take the first deal and run. There has to be something that works that doesnt involve giving up Eklund. Schaefer is #1 for sure but I dont think Misa is that far behind. The Sharks have alot of picks.

What about San 1st + Dallas 1st + Ottawa 2nd to move up?

I think that's a reasonable ask. And if the Sharks really do want Schaefer, then I'd be fine with it.
For myself, I'm just as high on Misa as I am Schaefer. And I would have been fine with Martone had we dropped to 3

 

[Juxtaposer]

I like this better than what I originally proposed. Good job.

Congratulating a non-Sharks fan on a proposal no Sharks fan would offer is pretty on-brand for how terrible the OP is, good job.

 

[TheBeard]

Most I could see San Jose offering NYI would be Dallas 1st pick for them to take Misa and not Schaefer…and even that seems slightly rich.

This would be my max.

 

[gary559]

Congratulating a non-Sharks fan on a proposal no Sharks fan would offer is pretty on-brand for how terrible the OP is, good job.

Why you gotta be so rude?

 

[Juxtaposer]

Why you gotta be so rude?

Are you mad because I was sarcastic or because I called your OP terrible?

 

[gary559]

Are you mad because I was sarcastic or because I called your OP terrible?

Why would I be mad at an online poster on a message board? I was just trying to say that the sharks need Schaefer more than the Islanders and it would be beneficial for both of them to exchange picks

 

[Juxtaposer]

Why would I be mad at an online poster on a message board? I was just trying to say that the sharks need Schaefer more than the Islanders and it would be beneficial for both of them to exchange picks

So to be clear, you think the Sharks should do your original post? You think that would be a good trade for us?

 

[DaveG]

Islanders can turn around real fast and build a foundation, Sharks need a defenseman not a center.

William Eklund
2nd OA

For
1st OA

this valuation is WAY off. The last time the #1 was traded it was to move down to #3 and that deal ended up only being the #3, a 2nd, and Mikael Samuelsson for the #1 and a 3rd. That's a lot closer to say Nikolai Kovalenko being the other piece coming from San Jose value wise.