GDT: #17 | Flyers at Senators | Thursday, November 14, 2024 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP, 97.5 FM

[deadhead]

Who said what for a decade?

I don't remember anyone saying Sanheim was going to be a first pair D-man, much less a #1.

People liked him better than Provorov, but that was as much people being disillusioned with Provorov (b/c he flatlined) than anything else.

Sanheim's skating was never in doubt, but his first few years he was a lanky D-man who struggled in his D-zone b/c he could be pushed off the puck.

I don't remember anyone projecting he'd fill out to the extent he has and become a top two way D-man. That's probably the hardest thing to project in a young player, how their body will change between 18 to 25. Provorov peaked physically at 19, for example.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Who said what for a decade?

I don't remember anyone saying Sanheim was going to be a first pair D-man, much less a #1.

People liked him better than Provorov, but that was as much people being disillusioned with Provorov (b/c he flatlined) than anything else.

Sanheim's skating was never in doubt, but his first few years he was a lanky D-man who struggled in his D-zone b/c he could be pushed off the puck.

I don't remember anyone projecting he'd fill out to the extent he has and become a top two way D-man. That's probably the hardest thing to project in a young player, how their body will change between 18 to 25. Provorov peaked physically at 19, for example.

You remember wrong. This was way before Provorov flatlined. And I don't mean me.

There were people saying that Sanheim was the top pair guy when he was still in Calgary. And I mean his D+1, not even the record-setting D+2. That's 2014-15. The two I always remember are @FLYguy3911 and @Stizzle because that's the generation that quickly made me understand how filled with bullshit the hockey prospecting media and process was. There were definitely others, but those two were the loudest. I remember their patience in explaining these things to a dope (me) all too well.

 

[Magua]

We were still playing the “Ristolainen is responsible for Sanheim’s success” game last season.

You can argue his pre-age 22 trajectory however you want. It’s going to involve hypotheticals. But by age 22, after Hakstol was fired, he was a top pair level ES player — at worst, well on his way. And that is not where the funny business stopped with him, team and fans alike.

 

[freakydallas13]

The audacity it takes to come here and accuse posters here of not believing in Sanheim after a decade of shit posts to the contrary is insane. Off the charts level chutzpah.

 

[deadhead]

Believe in him as what?
A speedy offense first D-man? I think that was obvious years ago.
Or a true two way franchise D-man?

I think playing 20+ minutes a night at ES with plus possession metrics, top 30 scoring and anchoring a top PK qualifies him as a franchise D-man. Key will be sustaining this play over 82 games.
1st in ES minutes per game, 26th in points/60 at ES.

His minutes took a big jump in 2021-22, but his play fell off, same the next season.
It didn't help being paired with Risto, he was better in 2022-23 paired with aging Braun.
But I also think it took him time to get used to the physical demands of playing on the first pair.

Right now he's playing too many minutes, when York returns hopefully he'll go back to 25 a night, which I think is the max for most D-men.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sanheim was a consensus 1st pair dman early on and was always considered the better prospect overall here. This is some kind of a reverse Struggle Session where one community members tortures everyone else.

Sanheim has always been one of those rare prospects that are too good to completely fail out. Lord knows this team has done absolutely all they can to see if they can get him to fail, though.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

You can't even keep yours consistent for 2 weeks.

Sometimes not even 2 pages

 

[deadhead]

Hmm 2014 draft thread:

#200 [legion of Doom91]

Sanheim is very impressive, he's got a short track record but despite it being limited it's still impressive. He's just scratching the surface here. He's got a big frame (6'3") & still has room to grow when he fills out (he currently weighs 190 lbs.). He skates like the wind & has excellent puck skills. He has potential to be the best defensemen out of this class when all is said & done in my opinion.

#483 [Flyguy3911]

You don't want the guy who plays his best games when the games get bigger? Sainheim's lack of exposure early in the year had more to do with playing on arguably the best blueline in the CHL and getting overshadowed by his teammates. Not to mention it was his first season in the WHL so he had ZERO hype preseason. Hugeeee risk at #17? As my man Warren Buffet says: “Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful”. Picking guys like Sanheim in the middle of the first round is how you find a franchise defender without picking in the top 5. You have to find guys that haven't been in the spotlight. Sanheim is that guy. You can take the Pulock's and McKeown's of the world that everyone has seen and evaluated to the fullest extent.I'll take my chances with the Morin's, Sanheim's, and others with the green arrow every single time.

#503 [Flyguy3911]

Awesome skater. Not so much in terms of pure speed, but his edge work and agility are top notch. I think I could watch him walk the blueline all day- very Gostisbehere-like. At 6'4 he totally catches you off guard the way he plays. Likes to carry the puck and jump into the rush. Great passer. Looks like a guy who is thinking a play or two ahead before the puck gets to him. Huge reach and good feet, he's going to be tough to beat in his own end. I'm starting to like him more than Fleury.

Two big pluses in my eyes. Only played one season of major junior hockey. He's a beanpole. This tells me he's a late bloomer and has tons of room to grow. Once he starts to fill out he could be scary good (sound familiar?). He's going to get more pop in his first couple steps (something I think he's not great at) and his slapper is going to be heavier.

#523 [Flyguy3911]

I wouldn't say I'm down on him, I just have a lot more confidence in Gostisbehere being an impact player. I don't question Hagg's ability. The 10-15 times I've watched him, his skills are evident. He's just not always engaged in the game as if it comes too easy to him. That's OK in juniors but it could catch up to him against the big boys. There's a reason he lasted until #41 and it wasn't for a lack of skill. It sounds like you are a little too high on him. 1B, 2A, or 2B? Yeah if everything goes right. I think he's more likely to be a mid-pairing guy. 2nd PP unit. PK.

Part 2 2014 Flyers' Draft Talk [times and TV info in first post]

This reeks of a GM trying to build a false market. Yeah, I think he's already made the decision to trade it. And I think he's known for quite a while now. Just trying to get the package as big as it can possibly be.

forums.hfboards.com

 

[FLYguy3911]

I was so high on Sanheim in Junior that someone got triggered and went to Facebook to use my HF screen name to call me a Sanheim fanboy.

I found the post but the screenshot won't load anymore.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

You remember wrong. This was way before Provorov flatlined. And I don't mean me.

There were people saying that Sanheim was the top pair guy when he was still in Calgary. And I mean his D+1, not even the record-setting D+2. That's 2014-15. The two I always remember are @FLYguy3911 and @Stizzle because that's the generation that quickly made me understand how filled with bullshit the hockey prospecting media and process was. There were definitely others, but those two were the loudest. I remember their patience in explaining these things to a dope (me) all too well.

I love you! Thx for fighting the good fight!

 

[Beef Invictus]

I was so high on Sanheim in Junior that someone got triggered and went to Facebook to use my HF screen name to call me a Sanheim fanboy.

I found the post but the screenshot won't load anymore.

I wonder why he picked that particular thread and missed posts like this:

Awesome pick. Probably the one guy I wanted that had a realistic shot at being there at 17 so I'm pretty pumped. I think this kid is going to be a stud. Really smart and a really good skater. That's a pretty good combo. Button threw a McDonagh comp out there. This kid is going to be an offensive force I believe. Don't see many 6'4 guys do what he does.

 

[Curufinwe]

33 year old Brayden Schenn still outproducing both Farabee and Frost in 2024 is probably not what we envisioned 7 years ago.
Frost has always been kinda meh, but Farabee looked so promising. He looked like he could be great. But I'm not hopeful anymore.

Frost outscored Farabee per game the last two seasons

 

[Curufinwe]

Everything Sanheim has ever done in this organization is in SPITE of it. His AHL time, the Hakstol plug parade, the Provorov favoritism, mediocre partners, PP time, the Krug trade.

That doesn’t have to be the case mismanaging everyone. I’m not here saying Konecny’s development was mismanaged. But Sanheim is the textbook example of attempting to mismanage a player too good to fail. They still don’t treat him like a true 1D.

Sanheim would be a real Team Canada option in February if he had been traded to the Blues in summer 2023. And St Louis fans would have been chortling with glee knowing they got him for the corpse of Krug and a 1st.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I wonder why he picked that particular thread and missed posts like this:

Unless I'm reading this wrong, I think he's actually agreeing with me. And dopey me definitely should have included @LegionOfDoom91 on that list.

 

[deadhead]

Unless I'm reading this wrong, I think he's actually agreeing with me. And dopey me definitely should have included @LegionOfDoom91 on that list.

Yep.

I couldn't resist trolling Flyguy for his comments on Morin and Hagg, though he was right on point with Sanheim, including the upside b/c he might fill out that skinny frame.

That's one reason I'm curious about Gill, skinny frame, August B-day, late 2nd rd projection pick (i.e. gambling that you might get lucky if he fills out and skating improves).

Conversely, Provorov, Patrick and Gauthier were all "win now" picks in that they had NHL frames so any projection comes from polishing skills. But having a NHL body means if they can play, they can play quickly.

 

[tymed]

Provorov beat out Sanheim for top prospect in our polls both years he was in it.

2015-16: 59%
2016-17: 88%

 

[kudymen]

I couldn't resist trolling

Could a mod have a look at this quote?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Frost outscored Farabee per game the last two seasons

shhh!!! we dont use facts here...

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Provorov beat out Sanheim for top prospect in our polls both years he was in it.

2015-16: 59%
2016-17: 88%

No one said anything to the contrary.

I'm sure I voted for Provorov at least one of those years. I also didn't know shit yet. I had never seen a CHL game before I believe 2015-16. Some people involved in this discussion did. Which is the point and what I said. Some of us learned from that generation and others, well....yeah.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

This has the potential to be the greatest thread of all time. Let's do a deep dive on all the old hot takes! I still kinda don't get the point of Deady's post, but let's f***ing go!

I do think it's fun to look back. Thanks to the internet we can all be "held accountable" It's fun to look back and bust balls. If we're all being honest, we've all been worthy of some ball busting.

Except the Flyers. Their decision making is impeccable

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If we're all being honest, we've all been worthy of some ball busting.

If you don't have some truly embarrassing opinions with hindsight, it just means you're too stupid to look for and/or find them.

I have my NFL draft boards going back to 2001. I assure you I know I'm an idiot.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

This has the potential to be the greatest thread of all time. Let's do a deep dive on all the old hot takes! I still kinda don't get the point of Deady's post, but let's f***ing go!

I do think it's fun to look back. Thanks to the internet we can all be "held accountable" It's fun to look back and bust balls. If we're all being honest, we've all been worthy of some ball busting.

Except the Flyers. Their decision making is impeccable

i win for best ball buster post of all time..

i wanted Torts here for years.. BUT not when they finaly hired him ffs..

boy did i learn he was exactly as advertised here.. i was sure he had learned in his time away.

#Wrong..

 

[tymed]

No one said anything to the contrary.

I'm sure I voted for Provorov at least one of those years. I also didn't know shit yet. I had never seen a CHL game before I believe 2015-16. Some people involved in this discussion did. Which is the point and what I said. Some of us learned from that generation and others, well....yeah.

But someome did and you don't even need to change pages to see it.

Either way, this was posted for context to help with all the typical black pots and kettle chatter in here. It wasnt in direct response to anyone. I remember voting Sanheim in the 1st vote, but might have switched in the 2nd, not sure.

 

[Magua]

That's one reason I'm curious about Gill, skinny frame, August B-day, late 2nd rd projection pick (i.e. gambling that you might get lucky if he fills out and skating improves).

Gill skates like Sanheim if he was captured by Kathy Bates in Misery. My hunch is you’re curious because we aren’t.

Provorov beat out Sanheim for top prospect in our polls both years he was in it.

2015-16: 59%
2016-17: 88%

You’re not being honest if you don’t separate out those who post all the time in the prospects threads and those who get their prospect opinions through consensus osmosis. If hardcore watchers here loved Sanheim, it’s irrelevant what a board poll said. Also, it’s easier to watch games today.

There’s often a schism here anyway. We’ve seen it with Provorov, Gauthier, Sanheim, Ratcliffe, Bonk, Luchanko, and so on. If not in totality, then in degree. We never have a shortage of people willing to explain their thoughts.

 

[tymed]

Gill skates like Sanheim if he was captured by Kathy Bates in Misery. My hunch is you’re curious because we aren’t.



You’re not being honest if you don’t separate out those who post all the time in the prospects threads and those who get their prospect opinions through consensus osmosis. If hardcore watchers here loved Sanheim, it’s irrelevant what a board poll said. Also, it’s easier to watch games today.

There’s often a schism here anyway. We’ve seen it with Provorov, Gauthier, Sanheim, Ratcliffe, Bonk, Luchanko, and so on. If not in totality, then in degree. We never have a shortage of people willing to explain their thoughts.

Again, this was to add context to the conversation without directly engaging anyone or throwing more subjective garbage onto the pile. If the lists of names of voters was still available in that thread, I can assure you that it would predictably highlight hypocrisy of the usual shit talkers, that's a consistent theme here. I'm sure you could get something interesting enough from the thread posts if you're interested enough in looking.