GDT: #17 | Flyers at Senators | Thursday, November 14, 2024 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP, 97.5 FM

[tymed]

For the life of me, I can’t understand what you’re getting at. “Hypocrisy of usual shit talkers” just sounds like YOU have a personal bone to pick, and it has nothing to do with evaluating Travis Sanheim or any other prospect. If that’s the case, I’m not interested in that.

I get that you're missing it because you responded in the first place, and there's nothing to get into so it's no sweat.

 

[Magua]

I get that you're missing it because you responded in the first place. There's nothing to get into.

Oh, I see. This is supposed to be an insult. My bad for replying civilly. Thank you, we have all learned so much.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

If you don't have some truly embarrassing opinions with hindsight, it just means you're too stupid to look for and/or find them.

I have my NFL draft boards going back to 2001. I assure you I know I'm an idiot.

I mean, you hated on my WIP sponsored Bijan pick, and that's fine. Where we the Eagles be without Barkley? I mean, really?

In all seriousness, I loved Phil Myers. Still could potentially pass Sanheim @FLYguy3911

I've overrated so many people. Funny thing though? Never thought Scott Laughton was anything other than Scott
Laughton

 

[tymed]

Oh, I see. This is supposed to be an insult. My bad for replying civilly. Thank you, we have all learned so much.

No insults man. I was just trying to speak plainly and we weren't really talking about the same things. Its all good.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Read that #1 prospect poll in 2016. I definitely died on a hill in that one.

I couldn't resist trolling Flyguy for his comments on Morin and Hagg, though he was right on point with Sanheim, including the upside b/c he might fill out that skinny frame.

I have much worse opinions out there. I said Barzal wouldn't be a 1C. This doesn't hurt me.

I was definitely too high on Morin (not in that post but in general). His highs were extremely high and I overvalued those over his whole body of work. I think if anyone watched him extensively before he broke his jaw in his D+2 I don't think it was as crazy to value him highly. He was a freakish athlete with improving puck skills, but I probably put too much faith in blind development in areas that are difficult to improve. He missed loads of dev time in Junior and later in his ELC. It was a death sentence for a player of his skillset.

And that one blurb about Hagg 11 months after he was drafted was, believe it or not, a pessimistic take at the time. Hagg was a big scorer in Junior and even played on the PP in the WJCs in his draft year. It was also 10+ years ago. In that era, he did have a decent skill level. It never improved and possibly got worse when he came to NA (wonder why!). He also bulked up too and I don't think his stiffness helped matters.

This applies to Morin also - The baseline skill level for defensemen went up exponentially shortly after this time period (hell Sanheim has never been a PP regular in his career and he was a one man offense in the WHL). Andrew MacDonald was getting PP time in 2014. Fringe prospects turned into non-prospects pretty quickly. I promise you won't find many, if any, positive Hagg posts from his D+2 onward from me. And I was on an island for much of that time.

2014 is the first year I really started to watch prospects regularly. I'd like to think I've worked out some of the kinks and developed better opinions in part because of bad opinions the past.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I mean, you hated on my WIP sponsored Bijan pick, and that's fine. Where we the Eagles be without Barkley? I mean, really?

In all seriousness, I loved Phil Myers. Still could potentially pass Sanheim @FLYguy3911

I've overrated so many people. Funny thing though? Never thought Scott Laughton was anything other than Scott
Laughton

Ryan Leaf > Peyton Manning (the GOAT)

I'll never have a worse take. It's at least comforting to know you've bottomed out.

Absolutely loved Wyatt Kalynuk as a late guy. I don't feel bad about that one at all. There were things to work with there.

Read that #1 prospect poll in 2016. I definitely died on a hill in that one.

That was exactly when I started listening because you weren't letting it go.

 

[FLYguy3911]

In all seriousness, I loved Phil Myers. Still could potentially pass Sanheim @FLYguy3911

Ooo this is a tricky one. I was on both sides of the Myers coin. I got accused of hyping him up too much shortly after he signed as an UDFA- It was truly a breath taking watch, but then people did get too carried away the next year and I wasn't all the way there.

Laughton was another guy I was in the middle of for most of his time as a prospect. Didn't hate the pick (wasn't a Maatta guy). People got carried away with the offensive projections the next year in part to the prospect pool being shit. I couldn't get there. Thought he got a raw deal spending pretty much all of the last year of his ELC in LHV. He was clearly too good for that level. And 12 years later he's still here.

That was exactly when I started listening because you weren't letting it go.

We all might have wasted our time by not saying TK though. Forward > Defensemen if all else is equal is something I've learned.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Read that #1 prospect poll in 2016. I definitely died on a hill in that one.


I have much worse opinions out there. I said Barzal wouldn't be a 1C. This doesn't hurt me.

I was definitely too high on Morin (not in that post but in general). His highs were extremely high and I overvalued those over his whole body of work. I think if anyone watched him extensively before he broke his jaw in his D+2 I don't think it was as crazy too value him highly. He was a freakish athlete with improving puck skills, but I probably put too much faith in blind development in areas that are difficult to improve. He missed loads of dev time in Junior and later in his ELC. It was a death sentence for a player of his skillset.

And that one blurb about Hagg 11 months after he was drafted was, believe it or not, a pessimistic take at the time. Hagg was a big scorer in Junior and even played on the PP in the WJCs in his draft year. It was also 10+ years ago. In that era, he did have a decent skill level. It never improved and possibly got worse when he came to NA (wonder why!). He also bulked up too and I don't think his stiffness helped matters.

This applies to Morin also - The baseline skill level for defensemen went up exponentially shortly after this time period (hell Sanheim has never been a PP regular in his career and he was a one man offense in the WHL). I promise you won't find many, if any, positive Hagg posts from his D+2 onward from me. And I was on an island for much of that time.

2014 is the first year I really started to watch prospects regularly. I'd like to think I've worked out some of the kinks and developed better opinions in part because of bad opinions the past.

You should change your tag line to Morin Stan for the feels

 

[Magua]

I'd like to think I've worked out some of the kinks and developed better opinions in part because of bad opinions the past.

How many years away is @BigToe , you think?

 

[FLYguy3911]

How many years away is @BigToe , you think?

I don't value anything from him until it's in spreadsheet form. Colors preferred.

 

[BigToe]

How many years away is @BigToe , you think?

I'm light years away, bb. Might be making a similar mistake I've made before with Jackson Smith, idk yet. I've learned a ton from y'all though.

 

[Magua]

I'm light years away, bb. Might be making a similar mistake I've made before with Jackson Smith, idk yet. I've learned a ton from y'all though.

You should do videos like Scouching. But from a hot tub like Twitch streamers. I think you’d break the market.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Read that #1 prospect poll in 2016. I definitely died on a hill in that one.


I have much worse opinions out there. I said Barzal wouldn't be a 1C. This doesn't hurt me.

I was definitely too high on Morin (not in that post but in general). His highs were extremely high and I overvalued those over his whole body of work. I think if anyone watched him extensively before he broke his jaw in his D+2 I don't think it was as crazy to value him highly. He was a freakish athlete with improving puck skills, but I probably put too much faith in blind development in areas that are difficult to improve. He missed loads of dev time in Junior and later in his ELC. It was a death sentence for a player of his skillset.

And that one blurb about Hagg 11 months after he was drafted was, believe it or not, a pessimistic take at the time. Hagg was a big scorer in Junior and even played on the PP in the WJCs in his draft year. It was also 10+ years ago. In that era, he did have a decent skill level. It never improved and possibly got worse when he came to NA (wonder why!). He also bulked up too and I don't think his stiffness helped matters.

This applies to Morin also - The baseline skill level for defensemen went up exponentially shortly after this time period (hell Sanheim has never been a PP regular in his career and he was a one man offense in the WHL). Andrew MacDonald was getting PP time in 2014. Fringe prospects turned into non-prospects pretty quickly. I promise you won't find many, if any, positive Hagg posts from his D+2 onward from me. And I was on an island for much of that time.

2014 is the first year I really started to watch prospects regularly. I'd like to think I've worked out some of the kinks and developed better opinions in part because of bad opinions the past.

Hagg remains a ridiculous red flag for development processes and they have changed nothing about anything since then.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Tippett. My dudebrah, there's not even a guy there. No need to go top shelf. Shuffleboard that mofo

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

How the f*** did Fedotov learn to speak murican while he was locked up? See, that's what putting in the work is boys.

 

[deadhead]

Ooo this is a tricky one. I was on both sides of the Myers coin. I got accused of hyping him up too much shortly after he signed as an UDFA- It was truly a breath taking watch, but then people did get too carried away the next year and I wasn't all the way there.

Laughton was another guy I was in the middle of for most of his time as a prospect. Didn't hate the pick (wasn't a Maatta guy). People got carried away with the offensive projections the next year in part to the prospect pool being shit. I couldn't get there. Thought he got a raw deal spending pretty much all of the last year of his ELC in LHV. He was clearly too good for that level. And 12 years later he's still here.



We all might have wasted our time by not saying TK though. Forward > Defensemen if all else is equal is something I've learned.

Myers taught me that hockey IQ is the most valuable skill, even if Tippett and TK keep trying to show that it's not needed (they're not as dumb as they look, they just don't know how to gear down and slow play down). Especially for D-men, where positioning is everything on defense (know your angles).

Hagg got stiffer, but also shows that lower levels can be deceiving b/c you have bigger windows and more time - some guys just can't process fast enough to adjust to the NHL. Others need a couple years to make that transition. That's why I focus on ES scoring at lower levels, on the PP you have bigger windows to start with and at lower levels slow processors can look fine - check out the PP leaders in the AHL, a lot are either veterans who can't skate or players who can't translate their scoring to the NHL.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Myers taught me that hockey IQ is the most valuable skill, even if Tippett and TK keep trying to show that it's not needed (they're not as dumb as they look, they just don't know how to gear down and slow play down). Especially for D-men, where positioning is everything on defense (know your angles).

Hagg got stiffer, but also shows that lower levels can be deceiving b/c you have bigger windows and more time - some guys just can't process fast enough to adjust to the NHL. Others need a couple years to make that transition. That's why I focus on ES scoring at lower levels, on the PP you have bigger windows to start with and at lower levels slow processors can look fine - check out the PP leaders in the AHL, a lot are either veterans who can't skate or players who can't translate their scoring to the NHL.

TK has good hockey IQ, Tippett has next to none relies on his decent skill level and athleticism purely, perfect example of all tools and no toolbox.

 

[deadhead]

TK has good hockey IQ, Tippett has next to none relies on his decent skill level and athleticism purely, perfect example of all tools and no toolbox.

TK makes more mistakes than anyone else on the team, mostly b/c he tries to do too much or does it too fast, he's a whirling dervish. Tiippett has a similar style, he gets in trouble when he forces things, but he's actually a good passer, just relies too much on his speed and shot.

One thing that does drive me crazy are blind passes in their D-zone.

The other is something that they're doing more this year, they've improved passing the puck, but they seem to have problems "catching" passes at times and controlling the puck - wonder is some players have been trying new sticks with different blades?

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

TK makes more mistakes than anyone else on the team, mostly b/c he tries to do too much or does it too fast, he's a whirling dervish. Tiippett has a similar style, he gets in trouble when he forces things, but he's actually a good passer, just relies too much on his speed and shot.

One thing that does drive me crazy are blind passes in their D-zone.

The other is something that they're doing more this year, they've improved passing the puck, but they seem to have problems "catching" passes at times and controlling the puck - wonder is some players have been trying new sticks with different blades?

Do you think TK and Tippett have similar hockey IQ?

 

[Adtar02]

Do you think TK and Tippett have similar hockey IQ?

It’s not even close. Tippett has no iq

 

[deadhead]

Do you think TK and Tippett have similar hockey IQ?

TK is smarter, but Tippett isn't nearly as dumb as advertised.

Both play out of control, which is their style, for a coach it's a matter of balancing the plus of high motor guys that make things happen with the inevitable mistakes that come with that style of play.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

TK is smarter, but Tippett isn't nearly as dumb as advertised.

Both play out of control, which is their style, for a coach it's a matter of balancing the plus of high motor guys that make things happen with the inevitable mistakes that come with that style of play.

I don’t mind your posts nearly as bad as some do. But Tipper and TK aren’t even comparable TK is vastly superior and will continue to be. If Tippett doesn’t find a way to turn it around his contract could become an albatross in a hurry.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don’t mind your posts nearly as bad as some do. But Tipper and TK aren’t even comparable TK is vastly superior and will continue to be. If Tippett doesn’t find a way to turn it around his contract could become an albatross in a hurry.

Won't be as bad as Clarkson, but would be in the same category.

 

[deadhead]

I don’t mind your posts nearly as bad as some do. But Tipper and TK aren’t even comparable TK is vastly superior and will continue to be. If Tippett doesn’t find a way to turn it around his contract could become an albatross in a hurry.

Tippett has already turned it around, the Tippett - Couts - TK line is putting up great numbers (SSS). Tippett just has to stop hitting posts.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Tippett has already turned it around, the Tippett - Couts - TK line is putting up great numbers (SSS). Tippett just has to stop hitting posts.

Tippet is nowhere near TK as a hockey player, they’re simply not close.