Because nobody is trading assets for Spurgeon.Why not trade him and get some assets along with the cap space to use on a defender actually worth his chops in the playoffs?
Because nobody is trading assets for Spurgeon.Why not trade him and get some assets along with the cap space to use on a defender actually worth his chops in the playoffs?
Because nobody is trading assets for Spurgeon.
I was fully onboard with trading Spurgeon the summer of 2019.Okay so what if it was like, a younger, cheaper version of Spurgeon?
This here, is what it has to do with it. Glad you read the subtext.Why not trade him and get some assets along with the cap space to use on a defender actually worth his chops in the playoffs?
I was fully onboard with trading Spurgeon the summer of 2019.
But if Aron Kiviharju turns into a 2019 version of Spurgeon and can then be traded for assets, is that not good value for a 4th round pick?
Sure. If we can trade him for a future 1st, where we can get players that might actually help a playoff run, that would be great.But if Aron Kiviharju turns into a 2019 version of Spurgeon and can then be traded for assets, is that not good value for a 4th round pick?
Isn't that the point of drafting BPA, though? To either hope that player develops and makes your team better to hopefully win a cup, or, if you have a surplus of talent at that position, you then trade that player away to fill a need?Sure. If we can trade him for a future 1st, where we can get players that might actually help a playoff run, that would be great.
If the point is to get future value it makes sense.
If the point is to have him play on our team and have aspirations of winning the Cup… That’s terrible planning.
We have an endless list of LD in the system. We have Brodin-Middleton locked for at least four years. Chisholm will be re-signed. Buium is going to get first dibs at the NHL level of our prospects. Peart. Lambos. O’Rourke. Hunt. Pionk. The depth at LD is so mind numbingly stupid. Kiviharju will be lucky to even play AHL at this point. There’s no room for him. 3-4 LD prospects will need to be traded just to find an AHL spot for him. How do you expect his value to rise if he can’t even find a spot to play?Isn't that the point of drafting BPA, though? To either hope that player develops and makes your team better to hopefully win a cup, or, if you have a surplus of talent at that position, you then trade that player away to fill a need?
He's 18. My guess is he won't play in Iowa for at least 2 years. I think Lambos and ROR are busts. I think Hunt will be up as a 6th/7th D or gone in 2 to 3 years. Will see if Pionk even gets a contract. Buium will probably be with the Wild.We have an endless list of LD in the system. We have Brodin-Middleton locked for at least four years. Chisholm will be re-signed. Buium is going to get first dibs at the NHL level of our prospects. Peart. Lambos. O’Rourke. Hunt. Pionk. The depth at LD is so mind numbingly stupid. Kiviharju will be lucky to even play AHL at this point. There’s no room for him. 3-4 LD prospects will need to be traded just to find an AHL spot for him. How do you expect his value to rise if he can’t even find a spot to play?
I just think it was extremely poor planning on all accounts, like they just burned the pick.He's 18. My guess is he won't play in Iowa for at least 2 years. I think Lambos and ROR are busts. I think Hunt will be up as a 6th/7th D or gone in 2 to 3 years. Will see if Pionk even gets a contract. Buium will probably be with the Wild.
In 2-3 years, the LHD will look quite a bit different IMO, and if some of the above mentioned turn it around and play their way onto the team and there is no room for him, assuming he has developed at all, then trade him.
For 122nd overall, I am not going to have heart burn over a kid that has been highly touted most of his life. If he ends up becoming what he was projected to be the last few years prior to injuries, the Wild will make room for him by jettisoning other players or finding a willing trade partner.
The odds are against him. The odds are against all 4th rounders. Still, I'd rather pick a 4th rounder who has shown 1st round skill than a 4th rounder who has shown 1st round size, if I have to pick between the two... which I do, because it's the 4th round and the guys with both are long gone.Honestly I don't recall a prospect sliding as much as him and then suddenly rebounding to become a top 5 even top 100 prospect.
Oh, I absolutely get that. I thought he offered tremendous value in the 4th, but the likelyhood of him being anything more than maybe a depth defenseman is pretty low.The odds are against him. The odds are against all 4th rounders. Still, I'd rather pick a 4th rounder who has shown 1st round skill than a 4th rounder who has shown 1st round size, if I have to pick between the two... which I do, because it's the 4th round and the guys with both are long gone.
I'm not looking for this kid to become a top-5 player in his draft. I'll be excited, and it will have been a success, if he's top-30 or 40. If your expectation is for your 4th rounders to be top-5 players in their draft, you're going to be consistently disappointed.
We have an endless list of LD in the system. We have Brodin-Middleton locked for at least four years. Chisholm will be re-signed. Buium is going to get first dibs at the NHL level of our prospects. Peart. Lambos. O’Rourke. Hunt. Pionk. The depth at LD is so mind numbingly stupid. Kiviharju will be lucky to even play AHL at this point. There’s no room for him. 3-4 LD prospects will need to be traded just to find an AHL spot for him. How do you expect his value to rise if he can’t even find a spot to play?
Because the 2nd round pick actually made sense.Funny how a late 4th round pick has 4x as much discussion as our 2nd round pick.
And the 2nd round pick has a much better chance of making the NHL.Because the 2nd round pick actually made sense.
At least we can agree on one thing.And the 2nd round pick has a much better chance of making the NHL.
A late 4th round pick seems exactly the type of place in a draft where you take a chance on a talent that has fallen 60-90 spots below his projected draft spot due to his injury/size.
Because the 2nd round pick actually made sense.
So does this one, seemingly to everyone except you
I simply disagree. Hence the reason the discussion is longer…So does this one, seemingly to everyone except you