GDT: 12/21/24 hawks @ flames 3pm CHSN
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BobbyJet
The accountability era?
The guy who is brain dead is the one who acquired and then overpaid him for a ridiculous term. It's too bad that you and others blame the player for the stupidity of Hawks management.
Dead Meat
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Does the mail man celebrate after ever piece of mail he delivers?
Famous quote from Mario Balotelli on why he doesn't celebrate goals.
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belfour30
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I know. I'm talking about the coaching change. This is his first game under Sorenson.
ray c
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he's an effing star,he shouldn't need coaching...it's hockey iq...he just doesn't have it
BobbyJet
The accountability era?
You know, it seems there always has to be a whipping boy to blame everything that is wrong with Hawks. Stan is long gone, Richardson is fired and it's far too easy to pick on Brodie, so that leaves Seth. Now that he is back from injury, he is the scapegoat. It's very convenient to blame him for everything. It makes for a great deflection of the real problems with this Hawks team and I expect it will continue for the duration of his contract.
BobbyJet
The accountability era?
He has been practicing almost the entire time...
He's just an incredibly stupid hockey player.
TLEH
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Before Jones was a Hawk my argument was that I never saw him control a game from the back when his team was playing like ass. His best games were him fitting in & playing well when his team was playing well. Some of those games he was incredible but those games were not indicative of his overall night to night play. Ergo, didn't like the idea of picking him up for a Hawk's team that was in the dumps because he'd never shown himself to be a guy who carries dead weight from the back end (which is an elite talent).
But, yeah, tonight you can chalk it up to rust as an argument if you will. Okay. He was a momentum killer at a few different moments on a team that has been humming. Not a good look. I'd expect him to have his best games when his team is playing on their toes, instead he was the player he's been for some time regardless.
The thing is... His role as a QB seems to still be in place on the first game back. That's not cool. He needs to earn that role to get it back because he was terrible at it before he went down. He can defend when playing well but he's not an offensive play driver at the moment nor a great shooter etc etc. Not the guy you want to carry play in the last minute of a fantastic comeback..until proven otherwise.
His role needs to be more to his strengths right now and if he wants to show more he needs to prove it the hard way like everyone else.
But, yeah, tonight you can chalk it up to rust as an argument if you will. Okay. He was a momentum killer at a few different moments on a team that has been humming. Not a good look. I'd expect him to have his best games when his team is playing on their toes, instead he was the player he's been for some time regardless.
The thing is... His role as a QB seems to still be in place on the first game back. That's not cool. He needs to earn that role to get it back because he was terrible at it before he went down. He can defend when playing well but he's not an offensive play driver at the moment nor a great shooter etc etc. Not the guy you want to carry play in the last minute of a fantastic comeback..until proven otherwise.
His role needs to be more to his strengths right now and if he wants to show more he needs to prove it the hard way like everyone else.
fiddytranslator
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This one's a gimme
"$9.5 gets a mulligan... you know, the "rust" excuse."
"1+0+0 = WTF?
The three youth players need to be more impactful than that putrid performance. Bedard, Nazar, and Reichel combined for just 1 shot on goal in the previous game. They have to do better than last game."
"Well, well... $9.5 for a goof and as a result... then Mrazek lets in one he should have stopped.
Two Tank Commanders...
And now lucky Huberdeau fails on a penalty shot.
The bad karma from $9.5 rejoining the team is starting to show."
"Well, it started off bad when Bedard had a generational fail on a clear-slot shot, alone 6 feet in front of the CGY net. That was followed by 3 or 4 more Grade A chance fails by other Hawks off CGY turnovers or poor coverage. Wolf denied all of these great chances.
Then the game turned when Jones pinched and got caught deep trying to make a hit but failing, leading to a shorty for the Flames.
Then came the turnover by KK, and Kadri scores with a generational shot — or maybe it was a generational fail by Mrazek for not stopping the shot.
Anyway, the momentum shifted to the Flames, and the Hawks sagged back into bottom-feeder mode.
Yikes!"
Surprisingly readable
"Game over... 4-1 CGY.
ANOTHER one Mrazek should have stopped.
Too many Hawks have gone MIA this game. No pace, poor defending, and little sustained attack after the early part of the first period.
The team did not show up to play this game."
"Predicted the $9.5 effect... obviously, the heights of 2nd last were too much for the Hawks to handle. They’re more comfortable in dead last, especially realizing their great 'leader' ($9.5) was back to 'inspire' them to emulate his goofs and lazy play. So, pace, hustle, and effort disappeared into the ether... poof!
A total team stinker, inspired by the return of Jones... who could have imagined it? I OF COURSE DID!
The problem is we're stuck with this albatross for 5 more seasons, plus the remainder of this season.
The enthusiasm the team showed in the last 3 wins immediately evaporated once Jones got the ice. It was like death struck and a stupid fog hit the players' brains. The pace slowed to a turkey crawl as too many players just stood there and watched the Flames skate past them."
A Jones fail at the point. He has no first step to get on the puck once he loses it. They should have honestly had Vlasic out there instead. Jones = loser !
"Nazar again with zero shots on goal. Also, Reichel with zero shots on goal.
Bedard credited with 3 shots on goal, Dickinson with 2 shots on goal.
That means our 4 centers combined for just 5 shots on goal. Suggests it's not good enough.
Hawks won 54.5% of the faceoffs, but this was mainly due to Dickinson, who won 14 of 20 draws."
Kevin Musto
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Two things need to be done
1. Give us the only logical top 6
Bertuzzi-Nazar-Bedard
Mikheyev-Dickinson-Teravainen
(I don't give a f*** about the bottom 6. Sorenson can do whatever he wants with them, they won't score)
2. Make sure Seth Jones never sees a second of power play time
1. Give us the only logical top 6
Bertuzzi-Nazar-Bedard
Mikheyev-Dickinson-Teravainen
(I don't give a f*** about the bottom 6. Sorenson can do whatever he wants with them, they won't score)
2. Make sure Seth Jones never sees a second of power play time
Drumman44
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Maybe we really should put Seth Jones on the fourth line so he'll ask for a trade
Kevin Musto
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Can you stop with this BS narrative. It's been 3+ years. Nobody cares about the trade anymore.
We've seen his dumb, low IQ play game in game and out for 200+ games. And yeah if he was on a 2 year 6 mil contract, there wouldn't be that much complaining because we'd see the end of the tunnel.
But alas, he's our highest played player, wearing a letter for 5 more freaking years, and costing us goals, momentum and games with his absolute nonchalant dumb shit.
It's absolutely complaint worthy, how is that even a question?
Plus Bobby, he's a big body who clearly could be a physical beast out there, yet he shows it only a fraction of the time, often not taking the body and being weak. The type you usually complain about...
Edit: sorry upon reading it again, I might have come off too aggressive towards you, I apologize. There is no player that makes me as furious as Jones honeslty.
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Larmer83
I'm taking the high road moving forward.
This has gotten old really quick. I never have and never will give two shits about what fiddy thinks which is the main reason for having him on ignore.
Ok..Seth will get 2 weeks of games to adjust to the new system..but if he failsafe I believe he will..then will you join the chorus ranti g on how he justvis the wring fit cause he has rotten instincts for playing D and his gaffes usually end up in our net?
It is both errors of omission and errors of commission that he just makes too often ...he does not stop plays dead i their tracks...resukt is too long o-zne tine in our d-zone and eventually Seth makes a coverage or positional error leading to goal against..On offense he stink running the PpP. hiscshots (if hecdoesn't fumble the puck first) does not get on net ..either blocked or goes wide by 19 feet..Andvofvcourse hisxfaikyrescto keep pucksbin leads to traditional rushesxagaibst where heviscto slow to get back because he has terrible distance few steps. Needs a runway to get his speed hoing..but cannot do it from standibg start after puck fumbles..In short this giyvhas flaws that I cannot see any system correcting..but I give him say 8 more games to prove me wrong..If goals keep goibg in off his gaffes or lack of proper defending then we shall All vent on him even more and lament we have 5 more seasons AFTER thisvone to keep venting on hom.
The chalkenge I have for Seth is to prove me wrong...not asking g for hom to becobe elitevtop 19 dman as his pay level indicates he should be..rather that he just prevents the preventable goals anyother too 4 dman prevents most games.
If he does not pilecup points offensively I can lament that but will forgive duecto his limitations on his shot or with keepnins...But I will not forgive bad decisions ...ifvyou pinch deep you better not turnover the puck...If yo loose focus tgeboposctool aroubdvourcd-zobe andvgetvoutbofvpisition eitger chadibgbor just not moving to close and check,that is not forgivable.. forxany tio paid dman.
So after heblearnsvthe new system alk these problems with hom go away?
I an skeptical...prove me wrong Seth...play the best hockey of your career...does anyone here realkyvthink he can rise to meet this cjalkenge?
I doubt it.
It is both errors of omission and errors of commission that he just makes too often ...he does not stop plays dead i their tracks...resukt is too long o-zne tine in our d-zone and eventually Seth makes a coverage or positional error leading to goal against..On offense he stink running the PpP. hiscshots (if hecdoesn't fumble the puck first) does not get on net ..either blocked or goes wide by 19 feet..Andvofvcourse hisxfaikyrescto keep pucksbin leads to traditional rushesxagaibst where heviscto slow to get back because he has terrible distance few steps. Needs a runway to get his speed hoing..but cannot do it from standibg start after puck fumbles..In short this giyvhas flaws that I cannot see any system correcting..but I give him say 8 more games to prove me wrong..If goals keep goibg in off his gaffes or lack of proper defending then we shall All vent on him even more and lament we have 5 more seasons AFTER thisvone to keep venting on hom.
The chalkenge I have for Seth is to prove me wrong...not asking g for hom to becobe elitevtop 19 dman as his pay level indicates he should be..rather that he just prevents the preventable goals anyother too 4 dman prevents most games.
If he does not pilecup points offensively I can lament that but will forgive duecto his limitations on his shot or with keepnins...But I will not forgive bad decisions ...ifvyou pinch deep you better not turnover the puck...If yo loose focus tgeboposctool aroubdvourcd-zobe andvgetvoutbofvpisition eitger chadibgbor just not moving to close and check,that is not forgivable.. forxany tio paid dman.
So after heblearnsvthe new system alk these problems with hom go away?
I an skeptical...prove me wrong Seth...play the best hockey of your career...does anyone here realkyvthink he can rise to meet this cjalkenge?
I doubt it.
Clownish
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The fiddy persona is probably something a mod came up with a long time ago as an inside joke. The translator schtick confirms it.
BobbyJet
The accountability era?
The bottom line is: From the moment he was signed, Jones' salary was way out of whack with his value and he is not a legit #1 dman. If Hawks weren't stuck with him and if he had a reasonable contract and wasn't asked to be something he isn't, we wouldn't hear ad nauseam about every mistake or misplay, no matter how small, he makes during games. None of Hawks dmen are perfect and they all make mistakes at times, often ignored if it's not Seth or Brodie who makes the faux pas.
Troy Murray very kind to Seth...trotted out the "rust" excuse..as predicted.. said "his timing was "off"... not used to the pace....sure Troy..but when is Seth's timing ever 1D quality or even 4D quality?
Maybe if he dod not pjay 27 minutes and not featured on special teams?
But alas you cnnot a $9.5 on 3rd pairing ...that would probably ruin Allan and his progress.
Nope ..$9.5 is our de-facto #1D and will get featured big minutes...figuring out how to limit the damage isxa huge issue for anyone coaching the Hawks.
Maybe if he dod not pjay 27 minutes and not featured on special teams?
But alas you cnnot a $9.5 on 3rd pairing ...that would probably ruin Allan and his progress.
Nope ..$9.5 is our de-facto #1D and will get featured big minutes...figuring out how to limit the damage isxa huge issue for anyone coaching the Hawks.
Clownish
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Same with the forwards too. If the angry mob loves one of the players making mistakes, they ignore it or look for the nearest player they don't like to try to blame them. Game threads sometimes get a bit ageist, and they like to target you personally from time to time, but that's beside the point.
