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17 Biasses AV has besides the Russian Bias. Number 5 will Shock You!
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17 Biasses AV has besides the Russian Bias. Number 5 will Shock You!
Machinehead
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Fair enough, it's more so everyone is afraid to put Shattenkirk or ADA in that spot while Pionk is grading out as one of the worst players in the league in that spot. What have we got to lose?
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You are a natural talent at this
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I don't know, but you'd need to click at least 10 pages to get to it
Rempe73
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The amount of hate Pionk gets honestly disappoints me.
He gets a bad break and whiffs on 1 or 2 passes, and people are saying he can’t pass.
He messed up the last play of the game before regulation, even though his stick was lifted. Seriously, people are acting like Pionk should be burned at the stake for something that wasn’t completely his fault.
He loses a couple board battles, and people are saying he can’t play defense.
And that’s only the beginning. You can say “Pionk sucks” all you want, and I sort of don’t blame you, but if you look at the context, he really doesn’t. Undrafted players that have barely played half a season in the NHL tend to not look amazing. Especially when they are playing heavy minutes against top players, Besides Pionk, there is no defenseman we have right now that can play against other teams’ top lines, and not look terrible while doing it, especially with Staal as your partner. That’s crazy. Try putting Shattenkirk or Smith out there, and see how much better they do. For an undrafted 23 year old, being able to do that is really good. Imagine when we give Pionk a better partner and easier minutes.
Pionk hasn’t been great by any means, but based on what we expected of him, he more than exceeded expectations. Give him a break. He’s playing minutes he should never be playing.
He gets a bad break and whiffs on 1 or 2 passes, and people are saying he can’t pass.
He messed up the last play of the game before regulation, even though his stick was lifted. Seriously, people are acting like Pionk should be burned at the stake for something that wasn’t completely his fault.
He loses a couple board battles, and people are saying he can’t play defense.
And that’s only the beginning. You can say “Pionk sucks” all you want, and I sort of don’t blame you, but if you look at the context, he really doesn’t. Undrafted players that have barely played half a season in the NHL tend to not look amazing. Especially when they are playing heavy minutes against top players, Besides Pionk, there is no defenseman we have right now that can play against other teams’ top lines, and not look terrible while doing it, especially with Staal as your partner. That’s crazy. Try putting Shattenkirk or Smith out there, and see how much better they do. For an undrafted 23 year old, being able to do that is really good. Imagine when we give Pionk a better partner and easier minutes.
Pionk hasn’t been great by any means, but based on what we expected of him, he more than exceeded expectations. Give him a break. He’s playing minutes he should never be playing.
Staal is a better defenseman than Pionk, I almost feel bad for Staal. I think most defenseman thrown into the role Pionk is playing could look the same while doing it, because he’s looked pretty darn awful to me. Him losing board battles, whiffing on passes or just being lost are not occasional occurrences by any means.
If Pionk becomes the player that Quinn is treating him like, I’ll be beyond happy. However, Pionk will never be Duncan Keith or a player half as good, so I won’t hold my breath.
No he isn't.
Pionk has struggled big time, but Staal has been worse. At least Pionk will occasionally flash something positive. Staal has more or less been a train wreck the entire season.
Rempe73
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No one is saying he ever will be Duncan Keith. If he’s even 1/5 of Duncan Keith (a #4/5 defenseman is what I basically mean), I’ll be extremely happy. Whiffing on passes is an occasional occurrence. I’ve only seen him do that 2 or 3 times. He’s a playmaking defenseman, and has been for a while, so I’m not worried about it.
I agree Pionk loses board battles, which is a problem, but it’s because he obviously lacks size. However, that could be slightly fixed by working out like a madman over the summer. And in the modern NHL, players are getting smaller and smaller, so maybe it won’t be a problem in the future. But at least he’s aggressive, which somewhat makes up for his lack of size.
Look, if Pionk had size, he would be a really good #3/4 defenseman, but he doesn’t. He needs to play to his strengths, and that’s Quinn’s job. He needs to use his smarts, skating, and passing to his advantage. We’re in agreement that he’s not playing where he belongs. There are better defensemen in the NHL than Pionk that are getting easier and more sheltered minutes. That’s a problem.
And one other thing. Have you watched our defensemen this year? They have all been bad defensively, especially when playing against top lines. Pionk’s mistakes are now somewhat magnified because he didn’t have a great game, but he’s playing against top players for a reason. The coach feels Pionk can handle those minutes better than most of our other defensemen. And I agree. Pionk has been stellar defensively at times. Made some great plays. And at the very least, his mistakes are no worse than Staal’s, who has been bad as usual this year. Pionk is still learning, and needs a break from the top pairing. He needs to focus on zone exits and positioning (to a lesser extent). Other than that, he’s better defensively than many of our players (which honestly, isn’t saying much).
Rempe73
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Our whole defense has been a train wreck this season, especially Staal. Pionk has made some good defensive plays this year, although he still needs to work on a few things in the defensive zone. But for a young player, and for the quality of the competition he’s up against, he’s further along than many other young offensive defensemen.
BobMarleyNYR
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It's hi "swagger." Like Chytil, it' like he's enthusiastic to push himself enough that he doesn't care how he looks. He loves the challenges and coaches love players like tha0t. Quinn is testing him--the other young guys havn't stepped up as much.
A top-pairing D likely is not there but a solid two-way competitor definitely is.
A top-pairing D likely is not there but a solid two-way competitor definitely is.
There's no way Chytil is going to be spending the rest of the year in the minors, although it probably would be better for him to spend some time there now. Chytil doesn't look lost, he just isn't getting enough ice time right now. Someone will be injured (hopefully not seriously!), someone will be traded and he'll be back.
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1 play determines what a player is? Well then.
Oh, and the privilege of wearing a letter doesn't solely rely on whether or not a player is in the top-6.
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So Chytil should just be handed ice time he has not earned???
Hockey is a sport built on hard work and earning respect. Handing someone more ice time who’s shown nothing all season won’t go over well and is not the way NHL coaches run things.
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But he has. I am not a big Chytil fan, but he has earned bigger minutes. The thing is, if he isn't getting those bigger minutes, you might as well send him down.
This is the scenario I was afraid of. Chytil is in the NHL playing single digits on the 4th line with a scrub and an AHL player. This is the worst possible scenario for Chytil's development. AV got killed for this shit.
I think Chytil has earned more ice time, the scoring will come--but he's a victim of numbers. And since he just turned 19, I don't think going to the Wolfpack is going to hurt his development or that he needs to stay in the minors for the rest of the season. In any case, I'm not worried about burning a year off his contract (which is what the original response was about).
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We can agree to disagree but I can’t say I’ve witnessed much in his game that would warrant top 6 minutes right now. Plus, top 6 minutes would mean playing against other teams best defensemen! That’s impactful and, physically, Chytil’s not even close to ready for that.
I totally agree that Chytil’s being ruined and I’ve maintained all along that developing talent in the NHL is not a good formula.
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Totally agree. Send him down and let’s see what some others who are down there have. The contract thing is an absurd arguement because no one can predict the future. Chytil May be a total bust in a few years or he may be a top talent. Why try to guess at that right now?
Yes I don`t understand how they use Chytil - it`s like the coaching staff & team is not aware they are ranked 30th or down to 31th team on the power ranking, and in sport when the competition is so hard like in NHL based on the cap limit you give young top talent big minutes. Henrik mentioned it in a post game interview after the win and sometimes you need to be realistic as well, and big names like Nash & Ryan Mc, and JT Miller were all moved last window, and include Stepan as well who is doing okey now a team who start to do better after years of rebuilding in Arizona.
My brief point is it`s much harder to carry a line on a 4th line with limited icetime and D zone starts - than in an attempt to get Chytil going on one of our top 6 lines. Maybe move Zucc down a line since he figure it out if he is going to get points this season - he need to shoot the puck. And try Chytil out with Kreider & Zib, nothing to lose at all - and no one expect a playoffs race at this point. Maybe MSG Network believe we can achieve it, but they are paid to be positive around NY and the franchise so most understand that, but such goals is not realistic this season until we have top notch talents who can perform in NHL.
It`s easy to say he is not ready and send him down to play with Lias, but at least give him a chance to be successful on our top lines, but the coach might not do this, because he try to win games and easy to take the safest option. But if you don`t risk anything u get less rewarded and in Chytil case he need to be on a line with talented players.
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