Salary Cap: 11 guys signed next year at $65.5M CAP - $16M left for 12 guys

[Notsince67]

you have no clue what you are talking about. Read up on escrow.

I have been busy reading my bookmarks.
This one is really interesting
Nylander Discussion

 

[BertCorbeau]

Wait why are we trading Dermott now?

 

[DarkKnight]

When you consider the extra UFA year and the lower AAV, Marner isn’t anymore overpaid than Matthews and he fits in the internal salary structure. It’s completely fair to argue they are equally important to this team’s success.

 

[Eb]

When you consider the extra UFA year and the lower AAV, Marner isn’t anymore overpaid than Matthews and he fits in the internal salary structure. It’s completely fair to argue they are equally important to this team’s success.

Lol this was the whole debate last year. Were you not around?
Whether or not Marners comparables were other wingers on other teams or Matthews.

 

[81Leafs50]

Perhaps you should read up on escrow the last report I read says they forfit on average 10% of their pay to escrow the last 5 years.
Meaning the current contracts are taking up over 50% of escrow.
10% of 2billion or whatever there half is now.

CBC and TSN both report this, how do you think escrow works?
I think you have no clue what I am talking about, that does not mean I don’t know what is being said.

That being said the issue is from a loop hole that the NHLPA missed and I am not sure how they fix it.
They assumed 10 teams would cap, ten would middle, ten teams would floor. Now once they hit that mark and the players were at 50%..... the bottom 20 teams all added 3 million, so that’s 60 million the players are over their half, divide that by the 30 teams and pow. All the players on each team lose 2 million. Meaning the owners of the 20 teams are adding a 3 million dollar player only paying 1 million themselves and making escrow pay the other 2 million. The ten teams at the cap ceiling just pocket the 2 million
And then they did it again......
That’s not exact math but you get the point
So making the cap bigger just means more money comes from escrow. Because the players are already taking well over 50% with current contracts.

HOW MUCH escrow players pay is based on how much the NHL makes. SO if the NHL made less then they anticipated (hence the flat cap) then the NHLPA would be losing more in escrow.

If the reports are true and the NHL revenues are going UP significantly then the NHLPA will be paying next to nothing.

You clearly dont know how it works. You just read articles and assume things.

 

[81Leafs50]

I have been busy reading my bookmarks.
This one is really interesting
Nylander Discussion

Nylander is on pace for 30 goals.

Marner is not going to live up to his contract.

Matthews is clearly the best and most talented player on the Leafs.

True on all accounts. Thanks for bringing this up.

 

[DarkKnight]

Lol this was the whole debate last year. Were you not around?
Whether or not Marners comparables were other wingers on other teams or Matthews.

Nothing particularly laughable about my point, but enjoy.

 

[DarkKnight]

Nylander is on pace for 30 goals.

Marner is not going to live up to his contract.

Matthews is clearly the best and most talented player on the Leafs.

True on all accounts. Thanks for bringing this up.

How anyone can say “clearly” is amateurish. The former players seem to get it. Wonder why that is...

 

[Notsince67]

Nylander is on pace for 30 goals.

Marner is not going to live up to his contract.

Matthews is clearly the best and most talented player on the Leafs.

True on all accounts. Thanks for bringing this up.

Book marked this one too.

 

[DarkKnight]

Book marked this one too.

Plays against stronger competition, first unit PK, ahead on takeaways, ahead on points per game, ahead on minutes played. Clearly lol. Why can’t we just give him his due? Maybe when the jersey is raised we will get it.

 

[Notsince67]

Plays against stronger competition, first unit PK, ahead on takeaways, ahead on points per game, ahead on minutes played. Clearly lol. Why can’t we just give him his due? Maybe when the jersey is raised we will get it.

One of the biggest Nylander is better...er revised to better contract -Marner bashers on the board.
His posting usually gets reduced when marner is performing but increases if he slumps a bit.
Dont get me wrong....I dont mind legit criticisms. I just get bugged how obnoxious some people get with their declarations. Anyone still making claims that Marner will never live up to his contract and Nylander will, chooses to ignore that Marner already has 8 more points than Nylander did all last year in 27 less games which is about 259% better not including the PK duties that Marner draws.
It is a big hole to dig out of when the current pay for performance benchmark has Marner valued beyond 18.1MM if Nylander was worth 7MM in his first year.

Im not crying over the 7mm...but I didn't make the claim that Marner would never live up to his contract while Willy would.

 

[DarkKnight]

One of the biggest Nylander is better...er revised to better contract -Marner bashers on the board.
His posting usually gets reduced when marner is performing but increases if he slumps a bit.
Dont get me wrong....I dont mind legit criticisms. I just get bugged how obnoxious some people get with their declarations. Anyone still making claims that Marner will never live up to his contract and Nylander will, chooses to ignore that Marner already has 8 more points than Nylander did all last year in 27 less games which is about 259% better not including the PK duties that Marner draws.
It is a big hole to dig out of when the current pay for performance benchmark has Marner valued beyond 18.1MM if Nylander was worth 7MM in his first year.

Im not crying over the 7mm...but I didn't make the claim that Marner would never live up to his contract while Willy would.

I’d argue Marner isn’t anymore over paid than Matthews either.

Just bide your time with the Marner detractors, they look silly in the end, without exception. Here we are again.

 

[cesareborgia]

Nylander and one or maybe two of Kapanen and AJ will be traded.

 

[PromoterDave]

Kapanen and Kerfoot for picks. Don't sign Ceci or Muzzin. Sign Dermott/Holl/Gauthier/Engvall/Bracco/Brooks/Timashov for cheap. Call up Sandin and Liljegren. Leafs cap situation should be fine

 

[supsens]

HOW MUCH escrow players pay is based on how much the NHL makes. SO if the NHL made less then they anticipated (hence the flat cap) then the NHLPA would be losing more in escrow.

If the reports are true and the NHL revenues are going UP significantly then the NHLPA will be paying next to nothing.

You clearly dont know how it works. You just read articles and assume things.

Wrong the owners have handed out more than 50% of projected revenue in contracts. The cap is set at projected revenue not the amount of contracts they have given out
Escrow is set at.....but they also want the escrow returned to them. I think perhaps you don’t understand the escrow is suppose to be held just in case...then returned.
As it sits now because the middle and lower teams are paying more then projected all the players are being taxed.over 10% every year
The only way the NHLPA is going to pay next to nothing is if revenue climbs a large amount and the cap does not. Or they figure out a way to stop the middle and lower teams from handing out so much money. But way more money way higher cap keeps this broken system the same

I understand how the cap and escrow are set. I don’t think you understand why the players are getting hit so hard with escrow and what it takes to change it

 

[tmlfan98]

Was messing around on CapFriendly earlier and came up with this for 2020-21.

 

[81Leafs50]

Wrong the owners have handed out more than 50% of projected revenue in contracts. The cap is set at projected revenue not the amount of contracts they have given out
Escrow is set at.....but they also want the escrow returned to them. I think perhaps you don’t understand the escrow is suppose to be held just in case...then returned.
As it sits now because the middle and lower teams are paying more then projected all the players are being taxed.over 10% every year
The only way the NHLPA is going to pay next to nothing is if revenue climbs a large amount and the cap does not. Or they figure out a way to stop the middle and lower teams from handing out so much money. But way more money way higher cap keeps this broken system the same

I understand how the cap and escrow are set. I don’t think you understand why the players are getting hit so hard with escrow and what it takes to change it

it all adds up to 50-50. If the NHL spends more than the NHL player give back. If the NHL does not then the players get back money in escrow.

Teams are not spending more on purpose. But there will be more revenue coming in over the next few years SO if the NHL cap does not go up, then the players get most if not all of the escrow back.

 

[supsens]

it all adds up to 50-50. If the NHL spends more than the NHL player give back. If the NHL does not then the players get back money in escrow.

Teams are not spending more on purpose. But there will be more revenue coming in over the next few years SO if the NHL cap does not go up, then the players get most if not all of the escrow back.

They are spending more on purpose, why are you so determined to argue what is being said. Why do you think all these teams are pushing so close to cap? although some of it does have to do with operating costs, once the teams reach a certain amount the rest is just gravy, twice the revenue does not equal twice the operating costs.
If the bottom 20 teams all add 3 million and they push it to 60 million over 50/50 that 60 million comes out of existing players pockets....if you were a owner and you noticed everyone was adding a player for almost nothing, why wouldn’t you?

 

[I am Canadian]

Trade Kerfoot & Johnsson

Sign Spezza for 1M

Sign Mikheyev for 3.5M x 4 years



Mikheyev - Tavares - Nylander

Hyman - Matthews - Marner

Engvall - Spezza - Kapanen

Moore - Gauthier - Timashov

Korshkov

Figure out the defense with the additional 3.5M you saved from dropping Kerfoot. Also find a young guy that can be our 3rd line C for the future. Kerfoot's too expensive.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

it all adds up to 50-50. If the NHL spends more than the NHL player give back. If the NHL does not then the players get back money in escrow.

Teams are not spending more on purpose. But there will be more revenue coming in over the next few years SO if the NHL cap does not go up, then the players get most if not all of the escrow back.

The players have NEVER got back the escrow holdback in full. Last summer of 12% withheld we got back 2.5% so the owners took 9.5%. and that as only because the escalator was used very very slightly. The players want this trend to continue over next 3 years where the escrow payback increases. This tax reporting of an inflated contract and then refiling for updated contract values is BS. It only makes money for the tax accountants. Eventually this system will be replaced or you will see a very long strike. Bettman the NYC lawyer and his band of professionals are not going to be pulling anything over next go around.

 

[Havoc]

Trade Kerfoot & Johnsson

Sign Spezza for 1M

Sign Mikheyev for 3.5M x 4 years



Mikheyev - Tavares - Nylander

Hyman - Matthews - Marner

Engvall - Spezza - Kapanen

Moore - Gauthier - Timashov

Korshkov

Figure out the defense with the additional 3.5M you saved from dropping Kerfoot. Also find a young guy that can be our 3rd line C for the future. Kerfoot's too expensive.

I like except Spezza at 3C. That's a guaranteed hooking penalty per game. He can't keep up anymore and doesn't seem wise to have a 3C that needs load management.

We can either find a cheap defensive specialist or perhaps tell Engvall to start practicing faceoffs for a couple hours a day.

Keefe and Tavares' guidance is the perfect recipe to get Nylander back on track. Babcock wrecked this guy.

 

[18leafsfan18]

So far in his career he is merely a 60 pt player, most of which come on Matthews wings, who half assess it more than is expected which sets a bad precedent and gets paid 7m to do so.

If there's one big forward who should be moved for cap savings it's him.

On pace for over 30 goals and just under 70 pts.

You can hate him if you want, but he is paid accordingly

 

[ruaware41]

On pace for over 30 goals and just under 70 pts.

You can hate him if you want, but he is paid accordingly

convenient and kidna petty bump. I don't hate him. My post was before his recent streak. Go rewatch the Detroit game. No one denies that he has great nights and is incredibly skilled. Too often he seems to just take the night off. Let's both hope he can consistently maintain his effort level over the past 2 games.

 

[18leafsfan18]

convenient and kidna petty bump. I don't hate him. My post was before his recent streak. Go rewatch the Detroit game. No one denies that he has great nights and is incredibly skilled. Too often he seems to just take the night off. Let's both hope he can consistently maintain his effort level over the past 2 games.

So now he's good but 2 games ago you wanted him traded ?

 

[Sniper99]

expect trades

uh oh, with Dufus still working the phones, i'm afraid what he could pull off.