GDT: #11 - 02/08/21 | islanders @ RANGERS | 7:00 - MSG, NBCSN

[will1066]

When Varlamov stopped Panarin on the breakaway the game was over IMO.

Also, I may be on an island on this one but I thought Zibanejad looked very much like his old self last night.

He did look better to me.

 

[RangersFan1994]

If Chytil was healthy it would be no problem but our lack of C depth in the organization is alarming

and that is all on Rangers management

 

[Edge]

Just because Howden plays for them doesn't mean the deal was worth it. Howden and Hajek are both pretty bad and Lundkvist isn't in the NHL yet. He looks great but nothing is guaranteed.

Howden is taking a regular shift and has been a solid player for them this year. Lundkvist is a blue chip prospect.

Okay, so what exactly is worth it?

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

I understand, but my question remains. How much winning is expected from the youngest team in the league? Not just youngest but one that on most nights have been icing 4 players that are not of legal drinking age? And one that, due to brevity of camp and zero exhibition games, has to learn a new defensive system on the fly?

My answer is it doesn’t matter.

I wasn’t arguing whether he should be judged harshly. I was just saying that he would be.

 

[will1066]

Howden is taking a regular shift and has been a solid player for them this year. Lundkvist is a blue chip prospect.

Okay, so what exactly is worth it?

Don't make Edge angry, Mr. McGee. You wouldn't like Edge when he's angry.

 

[Edge]

Don't make Edge angry, Mr. McGee. You won't like Edge when he's angry.

Not angry at all.

I'm just curious as to what the perception of the alternative is (while taking into account all the follow-up moves that came from not paying McD what Tampa is).

 

[NYR3]

Howden is taking a regular shift and has been a solid player for them this year. Lundkvist is a blue chip prospect.

Okay, so what exactly is worth it?

Howden has been awful. He has how many goals in his last 40? Someone posted it earlier. On a team that needs a LD, Hajek can't make the team and thank god for Nils. McDonagh was a top pairing dman signed for another season and Gordon didn't get a single blue chip guy back

 

[Edge]

Howden has been awful. He has how many goals in his last 40? Someone posted it earlier. On a team that needs a LD, Hajek can't make the team and thank god for Nils. McDonagh was a top pairing dman signed for another season and Gordon didn't get a single blue chip guy back

There was no blue chip guy to be had.

We can wish it all we want.

We can demand it all we want.

We can pretend it existing all we want.

We could go over some alternative packages that were on the table - names like Bracco come to mind.

But there was no golden parachute deal out there to be had. And frankly, had we taken some of the other deals, we actually would've ended up with less than we got from Tampa.

McD was quickly becoming, and currently is a second pair defenseman who really struggled to stay healthy. His saving grace in Tampa is that he gets to play behind Hedman, on a high scoring team, and that the season took a multi-month hiatus last year. Otherwise, he was once again on the shelf and/or banged up heading into the playoffs.

Other teams were very well aware of this. Thus the reason there were no blue chip offers on the table.

 

[True Blue]

My answer is it doesn’t matter.

I wasn’t arguing whether he should be judged harshly. I was just saying that he would be.

I understand that. But my question remains, given what I put out as the axioms to this discussion, what constitutes enough winning to be a success?

 

[NYR3]

There was no blue chip guy to be had.

We can wish it all we want.

We can demand it all we want.

We can pretend it existing all we want.

We could go over some alternative packages that were on the table - names like Bracco come to mind.

But there was no golden parachute deal out there to be had. And frankly, had we taken some of the other deals, we actually would've ended up with less than we got from Tampa.

McD was quickly becoming, and currently is a second pair defenseman who really struggled to stay healthy. His saving grace in Tampa is that he gets to play behind Hedman, on a high scoring team, and that the season took a multi-month hiatus last year. Otherwise, he was once again on the shelf and/or banged up heading into the playoffs.

Other teams were very well aware of this. Thus the reason there were no blue chip offers on the table.

The point still stands. We got lots of garbage back for McDonagh and we also moved Miller to the same team for Namestnikov which was another joke.

 

[Edge]

The point still stands. We got lots of garbage back for McDonagh and we also moved Miller to the same team for Namestnikov which was another joke.

The point is that the return the Rangers have walked away from is probably about average.

It's neither the best outcome they could've hoped for, nor does it represent the worst.

The value at the time was very good.

The outcome of the deal some three years later, is about average.

 

[TheDirtyH]

McDonagh's star had faded considerably by the time he was traded, let's be honest.

The only galaxy brained part was including Miller. Namestikov didn't work out, but if he were in our lineup as a utility forward right now I don't think anyone would be so disappointed.

 

[will1066]

McDonagh's star had faded considerably by the time he was traded, let's be honest.

The only galaxy brained part was including Miller. Namestikov didn't work out, but if he were in our lineup as a utility forward right now I don't think anyone would be so disappointed.

The organization was down on Miller, so that factored into why he was let into the package. AV always had a short leash for him. He did make his share of brain-dead plays and was a bit of a head case at times. But ultimately he was a talented forward.

 

[True Blue]

If Chytil was healthy it would be no problem but our lack of C depth in the organization is alarming

Maybe they should have passed on Lafreniere and drafted Lundell?

 

[True Blue]

The outcome of the deal some three years later, is about average.

Some believe that there were miracles out there to be had. Or maybe they just wish that the McD deal was not done to begin with.

 

[Machinehead]

Forget Howden and Hajek. If I could go back and trade McDonagh and Miller for just Lundkvist, I'd do it again.

We have an embarrassment of riches on defense and it's going to allow us to be aggressive down the line.

 

[Edge]

The organization was down on Miller, so that factored into why he was let into the package. AV always had a short leash for him. He did make his share of brain-dead plays and was a bit of a head case at times. But ultimately he was a talented forward.

And even Miller quickly wore out his welcome in Tampa, thus he was shipped to Vancouver.

The idea, which didn't work out, is that you were trading Miller's ceiling for Namestnikov's floor. It didn't work out that way though.

Some believe that there were miracles out there to be had. Or maybe they just wish that the McD deal was not done to begin with.

And that is understandable. There was a sentiment at the time that if you couldn't get great value for McD, it was better to sit on him. Personally, I don't think the offers go up if the Rangers wait. From what I've heard of the deals that were on the table, Tampa's was and remains the best option.

In that same vein, if you re-sign McD or even Miller, that has a cascading impact on follow-up moves including Panarin. In Miller's case, it probably just delays the inevitable and results in a similar return to the one Tampa got (another first round pick).

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I've always been disappointed with the McD/Miller deal, but have to admit, even if it is ultimately a "C" right now, to be fair you have to also credit the Nash trade being an A++. Lindgren, Miller (fine, ~80%+ of Miller), and Strome right now? That's a ridiculous haul.

 

[Edge]

Forget Howden and Hajek. If I could go back and trade McDonagh and Miller for just Lundkvist, I'd do it again.

We have an embarrassment of riches on defense and it's going to allow us to be aggressive down the line.

It's interesting because I've sometimes thought that if Lundkvist was on Tampa right now, would I trade McD for him. More importantly would Tampa make that deal. My feeling is no they wouldn't.

Miller complicates things a bit because I have to try to decide which Miller would we be talking about. There's the Rangers version who wouldn't post the numbers he is in Vancouver. And then there exists said Vancouver version, which to me is a similar player who happens to be playing with some great center talent.

 

[Machinehead]

It's interesting because I've sometimes thought that if Lundkvist was on Tampa right now, would I trade McD for him. More importantly would Tampa make that deal. My feeling is no they wouldn't.

Miller complicates things a bit because I have to try to decide which Miller would we be talking about. There's the Rangers version who wouldn't post the numbers he is in Vancouver. And then there exists said Vancouver version, which to me, is a similar player who happens to be playing with some great center talent.

It's also complicated by the fact that if Tampa has one weakness, it's RHD, which would crank the price up even more.

Doing the same deal in 2021 in some sort of hypothetical vacuum, we might not even get the package we got.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

It's interesting because I've sometimes thought that if Lundkvist was on Tampa right now, would I trade McD for him. More importantly would Tampa make that deal. My feeling is no they wouldn't.

This is an interesting way to look at it for sure.

Miller complicates things a bit because I have to try to decide which Miller would we be talking about. There's the Rangers version who wouldn't post the numbers he is in Vancouver. And then there exists said Vancouver version, which to me, is a similar player who happens to be playing with some great center talent.

This is overall fair but kind of lacking context of Miller's NYR "floor" still being pretty damn good. Miller was 24 years old and had 96 pts in his last 145 games here (54 pt / season average). That is rarified air for an NYR home grown forward. I don't think the org fully appreciated what they had in Miller for whatever reason.

 

[charliemurphy]

Is this the GDT?

 

[bl02]

Very worried about the pp. With Mika shooting blanks and with no one at the point who can accurately get the puck on net how is this team gonna score on the pp? Dirty goals in front of the net? I wish.
Some others have mentioned maybe give K'Andre a look on the second pp. He doesn't seem to hit as many shin pads as Trouba.

 

[tailgunner]

this is a perfect game that Tony D would have made a difference in

 

[Fitzy]

The trade we should all be regretting right now is the Trouba trade, not the McDonagh one.

What kind of high paid veteran in his mid 20's needs to consistently be bailed out by a rookie? And he's gonna be here long term too