107th Obsequious Banter Thread: Ugly Sweaters Edition

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Apparently there’s a big trial in New York next month with a former corrupt Mexican official on trial. Reading the tea leaves it sounds like this guy turned government witness. He’d likely be one of the highest ranked cartel members to ever do so. He was one of the highest ranked members to be born & raised in the US.

I’m curious what type of deal they cut him as these cartel’s in reality aren’t much different than the terrorist organizations in the Middle East even though they don’t have that official designation by the US Government.
 
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Two things

*This first one is just a general comment, unrelated to Musk or any other specific topic*
1) I have no idea if any of that information is true. The problem is I can't blindly trust any of it and nobody else should either, even though it might be 100% accurate.
Why? Because the more I use the internet, the more absolutely 1000% convinced I am that you can't fully trust a single damn thing you read on here. That doesn't mean everything's wrong and everyone is lying, but so much is wrong and so often people do talk out of their asses that there's no way to just blindly trust any polarizing topic and be confident that it's true. Especially from sources like Twitter/Reddit/Imgur/etc and double especially when it's someone a large group of people dislike.

Use our little corner of the internet as an example. Think of how often we see articles/tweets from the media or comments from random fans about the Flyers (or hockey in general) that we recognize immediately as complete nonsense. Imagine how wildly misinformed someone would be if they came in blind and just assumed that the things they read were true, since it was written by the professional media, after all, and they cited "proof" or "experts" to back up what they were saying.
The more you learn about this team or this sport or literally any other specific thing, the more you realize how little most others know, how biased the media is, how gullible the average person is, and how happy they are to repeat the things they hear, without thinking about it or verifying anything themselves. And I've found that to be true about every single topic I'd consider myself "relatively knowledgeable" about; whether that's hockey, gaming stuff, or other topics/hobbies that I've spent significant time looking into. The amount of easily disprovable bullshit I've seen, stated as fact and upvoted/liked by hundreds, is mind-boggling.

The only way I'd be able to confidently tell if that Musk stuff was actually true or not would be if I spent time researching topics and sources, which I sure as shit won't do and I'm sure 99% of the people who love/hate him haven't either. Same as how I know Carchidi is full of shit when he praises or shits on certain players because I've spent enough time looking into those players and Carchidi's track record to know he can't be trusted.

2) Let's assume it is true and everything cited in the links in your post is 100% correct, I still stand by my original statement in my previous post. If all that was true I'd of course think poorly of him but I still wouldn't understand the magnitude of hatred that I keep seeing online.
When I mention people who "hate his guts" I'm not talking about people who would answer "What do you think of Musk?" with "I think he's a bad guy. I don't like him at all.". I'm talking about the people who spend significant amounts of time every single day thinking about him, ranting about him across the internet, responding to all of his tweets, responding to tweets that merely reference him, and stuff like that. People are obsessed and while he very well might be a shit person who does shit things, there's so many people out there who have done so much worse that it's bizarre to me that people pick him, of all people, to hyperfocus on. Just like the opposite is true, where even if he's a good guy who does good things, there's so many people out there who have done more/better things that it's bizarre for people to praise him like they do.
That's why I can't imagine having a strong opinion on him either way. Outside of his notable net worth, his actual impact seems to unremarkable in the big picture, relative to the real heros and real villains out there, who don't receive even a fraction of the attention and effort.

And again, just so there's no confusion from anyone, I'll repeat my original point:
I don't give a shit about Musk.
I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about him.
I just don't get why so many people are obsessed with him to the insane extent that I've seen lately.


*I finished typing this and realized I wrote way more than I actually meant to and it looks like I actually give the tiniest shit about him or what people think about him, when I truly couldn't care less. :laugh: I was just waiting for an important phone call FOR OVER AN HOUR AND A HALF AFTER IT WAS SUPPOSED TO OCCUR and I was unable to go do anything else in the mean time, so I was bored out of my mind and just rambling*
What was the first thing again?
 
Two things

*This first one is just a general comment, unrelated to Musk or any other specific topic*
1) I have no idea if any of that information is true. The problem is I can't blindly trust any of it and nobody else should either, even though it might be 100% accurate.
Why? Because the more I use the internet, the more absolutely 1000% convinced I am that you can't fully trust a single damn thing you read on here. That doesn't mean everything's wrong and everyone is lying, but so much is wrong and so often people do talk out of their asses that there's no way to just blindly trust any polarizing topic and be confident that it's true. Especially from sources like Twitter/Reddit/Imgur/etc and double especially when it's someone a large group of people dislike.

Use our little corner of the internet as an example. Think of how often we see articles/tweets from the media or comments from random fans about the Flyers (or hockey in general) that we recognize immediately as complete nonsense. Imagine how wildly misinformed someone would be if they came in blind and just assumed that the things they read were true, since it was written by the professional media, after all, and they cited "proof" or "experts" to back up what they were saying.
The more you learn about this team or this sport or literally any other specific thing, the more you realize how little most others know, how biased the media is, how gullible the average person is, and how happy they are to repeat the things they hear, without thinking about it or verifying anything themselves. And I've found that to be true about every single topic I'd consider myself "relatively knowledgeable" about; whether that's hockey, gaming stuff, or other topics/hobbies that I've spent significant time looking into. The amount of easily disprovable bullshit I've seen, stated as fact and upvoted/liked by hundreds, is mind-boggling.

The only way I'd be able to confidently tell if that Musk stuff was actually true or not would be if I spent time researching topics and sources, which I sure as shit won't do and I'm sure 99% of the people who love/hate him haven't either. Same as how I know Carchidi is full of shit when he praises or shits on certain players because I've spent enough time looking into those players and Carchidi's track record to know he can't be trusted.

2) Let's assume it is true and everything cited in the links in your post is 100% correct, I still stand by my original statement in my previous post. If all that was true I'd of course think poorly of him but I still wouldn't understand the magnitude of hatred that I keep seeing online.
When I mention people who "hate his guts" I'm not talking about people who would answer "What do you think of Musk?" with "I think he's a bad guy. I don't like him at all.". I'm talking about the people who spend significant amounts of time every single day thinking about him, ranting about him across the internet, responding to all of his tweets, responding to tweets that merely reference him, and stuff like that. People are obsessed and while he very well might be a shit person who does shit things, there's so many people out there who have done so much worse that it's bizarre to me that people pick him, of all people, to hyperfocus on. Just like the opposite is true, where even if he's a good guy who does good things, there's so many people out there who have done more/better things that it's bizarre for people to praise him like they do.
That's why I can't imagine having a strong opinion on him either way. Outside of his notable net worth, his actual impact seems to unremarkable in the big picture, relative to the real heros and real villains out there, who don't receive even a fraction of the attention and effort.

And again, just so there's no confusion from anyone, I'll repeat my original point:
I don't give a shit about Musk.
I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about him.
I just don't get why so many people are obsessed with him to the insane extent that I've seen lately.


*I finished typing this and realized I wrote way more than I actually meant to and it looks like I actually give the tiniest shit about him or what people think about him, when I truly couldn't care less. :laugh: I was just waiting for an important phone call FOR OVER AN HOUR AND A HALF AFTER IT WAS SUPPOSED TO OCCUR and I was unable to go do anything else in the mean time, so I was bored out of my mind and just rambling*
The posts I believe both have sources. The first post definitely.

Complacency is how you get Trump again. Who, by the way, American oligarch Elon Musk is friends with and advocates for. Also, oligarchs destroy things, like countries. Ask Russia.
 
It's not going to matter. There's no way he goes to jail one way or the other

Oh no this guy is straight going to jail and I personally guarantee it. He's screwed over a lot of Actually Rich People and criminally violated seemingly every single regulation that exists.
 
The posts I believe both have sources. The first post definitely.

Complacency is how you get Trump again. Who, by the way, American oligarch Elon Musk is friends with and advocates for. Also, oligarchs destroy things, like countries. Ask Russia.
But not even real sources. They’re just links to articles, which could be complete nonsense for all we know.

For example, I looked at the first link of the first source. The headline on the imgur post and the quote in the tweet is “Elon Musk admitted to his biographer that the reason the Hyperloop was announced even tho he had no intention of pursuing it-was to try to disrupt the California high-speed rail project to get in the way of
that actually succeeding.".

Ok. So I clicked on the “source” article and it’s just an interview with some random tech podcaster/writer. Never heard of him, no idea if he’s credible or not. He quickly makes that statement pretty far down a pretty long interview, and then moves on, without a direct quote or any way for me to see exactly what was said. Maybe it is true, maybe it isn’t, but that “source” was useless.

And that’s my whole point. People will see that, they won’t even read the article, let alone go further to research and figure out if what the article said was even real, and then repeat it.
 
American oligarch Elon Musk is a liar and has lied his whole life. His family supports apartheid, and his inheritance is blood diamond money.

He claims to be a genius. He isn't. His Hyperloop is impossible and he's admitted he only pushed for it to slow the growing rail industry in CA so he could sell more of his cars. He recently closed the loop on Neurolink despite boasting about it following least that it killed thousands of animals in trials. The technology in his cars is failing.



He lies about his credentials and education. None of them are true. What he's done at Twitter proves that he has no idea what he's doing about anything- his finances, running a company, anything



He is a bigot, grifter, and an egotistical self-centered, selfish douche. Just a few days ago he tweeted "my pronouns are persecute/fauci".

American oligarch Elon Musk deserves truckloads of hate. He is the worst.


According to Wharton Magazine, which I would tend to believe, Musk graduated from Penn in 1997 with two degrees, "W'97" and "C'97": He Won't Back Down

Penn has four schools for undergrads:

The College of Arts and Sciences
The School of Nursing
Penn Engineering
The Wharton School

Undergraduate Schools | Penn Admissions

My guess would be that "W'97" is from Wharton, and "C'97" is from the College of Arts and Sciences. According to this article:

Are Elon Musk's degrees fake? Here's all you need to know about the Twitter Chief's education qualification

he got a BA in physics. So the tweet that claims that he didn't get a BS in physics would be technically correct, but big whoop. If anyone here went to Penn maybe they can confirm or deny but my guess is that if you're in the College of Arts and Sciences they give you a BA. And everything I've seen says that he did get into the PhD program at Stanford, but dropped out after two days to get into the internet game. That's actually not shocking to me because I sorta kinda did the same thing. That time, the mid '90s, was when the internet was just starting to gain steam. I left a very comfy (and interesting) job doing cool C++/graphics programming because I wanted to start doing internet development with Java (at that time in its infancy). It's worked out pretty well for me, although not quite as well as it did for him.

Anyway I'm more or less (and it pains me to say it too) with the @Striiker kid on the subject, I really don't care about him one way or another. But I do sense that there is a lot of hatred whipped up towards the guy that may not be based entirely on facts.

Disclaimer: I suppose I should say... I work for NASA. SpaceX has done some very good and cool things. And for that matter, electric cars are vital to the planet's environment and Tesla has pretty much led the way. I know people who have them and love them. So whatever.
 
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Anyway I'm more or less (and pains me to say it too) with the @Striiker kid on the subject, I really don't care about him one way or another. But I do sense that there is a lot of hatred whipped up towards the guy that may not be based entirely on facts.

Disclaimer: I suppose I should say... I work for NASA. SpaceX has done some very good and cool things. And for that matter, electric cars are vital to the planet's environment and Tesla has pretty much led the way. I know people who have them and love them. So whatever.
Hurtful.

Does NASA have an official stance on the existence of birds?
 
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