GDT: 10/14/14 Edmonton Oilers @ Los Angeles Kings 7:30pm PST (SN360, SN1, FSW, 790KABC)

[Reclamation Project]

Was gonna say close this guy down! Ride the ship and just make the playoffs and then just unleash him for the playoffs!

 

[Buddy The Elf]

Yeah, just look at how the same approach ruined Doughty.

It's not ideal to dress an 18 year old, but in this case Draisaitl has looked fine on the ice, and is mature beyond his years when it comes to the mental approach to being a pro. Much like Doughty, his game is going to progress more learning from mistakes at the pro level than it will dominating junior. To the point that Draisaitl said he wouldn't return to junior and would instead go to Europe (again, that does less for his development than playing on NA ice). If he was AHL eligible, I'm confident he'd be there.

Doughty is very much the exception (especially as a defenseman), not the rule. The Oilers have a roster laden with players that have either barely played in the minors or not played there at all. I wasn't only referring to Draisaitl (who I know little about). I was referring to guys like Eberle, Hall, Yakipov and Nugent. I'm sure there are other guys too.

The majority of the Kings players that were drafted by the organization spent at least a year in the minors. Toffoli was sent down to the minors last year because he didn't perform in camp. It seems like the Oilers aren't interested in spending the time it takes to develop players. Instead, they are letting them try and figure it out at the NHL. That might work in a few cases but 5+ years of losing lots of games is not going to develop anyone.

I'm not trying to be insulting. If I were an Oilers fan, I'd be upset about that. The Oilers should've spent the last 5 years rounding out their roster with whatever plugs they could scrape up in UFA while they slow develop and build their roster.

 

[YP44]

You haven't seen our lineup, have you.

Ya I knew no Eberle when I posted that.
Now no RNH, and no Petry as well. That is rough.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yeah, just look at how the same approach ruined Doughty.

It's not ideal to dress an 18 year old, but in this case Draisaitl has looked fine on the ice, and is mature beyond his years when it comes to the mental approach to being a pro. Much like Doughty, his game is going to progress more learning from mistakes at the pro level than it will dominating junior. To the point that Draisaitl said he wouldn't return to junior and would instead go to Europe (again, that does less for his development than playing on NA ice). If he was AHL eligible, I'm confident he'd be there.

I'm fairly certain he's referring to the constant stream of youngsters rather than one specific case. But I agree that sometimes these guys get caught in a weird area where they benefit the big club but they absolutely destroy juniors, yet they aren't AHL eligible. Makes for some tough decisions that unfortunately result in sometimes undesirable outcomes.

Then again, I have a hard time remembering a player who was truly 'hurt' from being returned to juniors, but I digress.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Doughty is very much the exception (especially as a defenseman), not the rule. The Oilers have a roster laden with players that have either barely played in the minors or not played there at all. I wasn't only referring to Draisaitl (who I know little about). I was referring to guys like Eberle, Hall, Yakipov and Nugent. I'm sure there are other guys too.

The majority of the Kings players that were drafted by the organization spent at least a year in the minors. Toffoli was sent down to the minors last year because he didn't perform in camp. It seems like the Oilers aren't interested in spending the time it takes to develop players. Instead, they are letting them try and figure it out at the NHL. That might work in a few cases but 5+ years of losing lots of games is not going to develop anyone.

I'm not trying to be insulting. If I were an Oilers fan, I'd be upset about that. The Oilers should've spent the last 5 years rounding out their roster with whatever plugs they could scrape up in UFA while they slow develop and build their roster.

Yeah well the Oilers aren't very bright and that's become apparent to the entire NHL. Rookie GM, rookie coach, rookies throughout the lineup. They're allergic to experience and smart decisions and now we're benching our best defenseman because.... well, I really don't know.

The Kings were going to win this game anyway, now the deficit is just going to be a few goals more.

 

[driller1]

Yeah well the Oilers aren't very bright and that's become apparent to the entire NHL. Rookie GM, rookie coach, rookies throughout the lineup. They're allergic to experience and smart decisions and now we're benching our best defenseman because.... well, I really don't know.

The Kings were going to win this game anyway, now the deficit is just going to be a few goals more.

Don't worry - you aren't getting SC playoff intensity Kings.

More like Sunday-morning-after-a-huge-bender hung over Kings

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Don't worry - you aren't getting SC playoff intensity Kings.

More like Sunday-morning-after-a-huge-bender hung over Kings

Oh good, so we'll only lose by 3 goals then. Much better.

 

[deeshamrock]

Gaborik took a hit late in the game Sunday, didn't look so good skating off. Could be he aggravated something. I don't expect it to be something major, just something nagging. If it's something potentially extended, we'll probably see a callup in the next day or two, depending on Lewis' condition. If Andy is playing, that leaves us no forwards in reserve, unless I'm forgetting someone.

Or wait, is there cap space to do that?

Rich Hammond wrote about the Kings situation, and how they are screwed if another player is hurt.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/tonight-638449-injury-kings.html

Right now they have 12 forwards, 6 D and 2 goalies, 0 healthy spare players.

SO what happens if another player suffers an injury? They'd have a tough choice to make because as he explains:

The salary cap is rigid for the first 33 days of the season, meaning teams have to stay under it no matter what. The only exception is for players on long-term injured reserve, whose salaries do not count under the cap.

LTIR is 24 days or 10 games.

And because of the rule abaove, they have to stay under the CAp, which from CAPGEEk is about 476K, and I don't thing there's anyone on the Monarchs that makes less.

If another forward were to get , they could go with 11 but if a D goes down, they're screwed.
Just have to stay healthy until that 33 days pass

 

[deeshamrock]

Rich Hammond @Rich_Hammond · 14m 14 minutes ago

Darryl Sutter said a Kings staffer recently gave him an "8-track" of his 1st NHL game. Pretty sure DS meant "8-millimeter"

Yeah but somehow I wouldn't be surprised if DS had a 8 track player rigged up to one of his trackers.

 

[regulate]

We only have one line clicking, everyone else has been missing in action. Our power play is not working well either. To somehow overlook this game would be a huge mistake. The Kings need to be better, and Quick isn't exactly rocking the house either. Let's go boys! Get it done.

 

[McPuritania]

I know this will offend oiler fans, and I'm sorry to say this, but that lineup is pathetic. And I know this because I've been a Kings fan for over 24 years.

Oh we're not offended. We are currently tearing HF Oil down with how disgusted we are. If you guys lose against us tonight, I'm pretty sure you'll have to forfeit one of your Cup wins.

Don't quote me on this, but I think our top 3 centers have a total of 46 NHL games experience. We sat arguably our best defenseman, and only RH shot for a rookie with zero games experience, and Will Acton is playing tonight.

Don't be gentle, we don't deserve it.

 

[YP44]

Rich Hammond wrote about the Kings situation, and how they are screwed if another player is hurt.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/tonight-638449-injury-kings.html

Right now they have 12 forwards, 6 D and 2 goalies, 0 healthy spare players.

SO what happens if another player suffers an injury? They'd have a tough choice to make because as he explains:



LTIR is 24 days or 10 games.

And because of the rule abaove, they have to stay under the CAp, which from CAPGEEk is about 476K, and I don't thing there's anyone on the Monarchs that makes less.

If another forward were to get , they could go with 11 but if a D goes down, they're screwed.
Just have to stay healthy until that 33 days pass

wow that's a crazy rule

 

[Shanahanigans]

I'm fairly certain he's referring to the constant stream of youngsters rather than one specific case. But I agree that sometimes these guys get caught in a weird area where they benefit the big club but they absolutely destroy juniors, yet they aren't AHL eligible. Makes for some tough decisions that unfortunately result in sometimes undesirable outcomes.

Then again, I have a hard time remembering a player who was truly 'hurt' from being returned to juniors, but I digress.

The Oilers management knack for making awful decisions baffles all Oilers fans, but IMO rushing young players isn't one of them. Hall, RNH, and Yak were all 1st overalls, and did very well in their rookie seasons. Eberle played 2 seasons in junior past draft, and came into the NHL as a 20 year old. Draisaitl has looked NHL ready on both sides of the puck so far, and he has NHL size to boot (6'2, 213).

But yeah, you guys should easily dominate tonight. Our best d pairing last year was Marincin/Petry. Marincin was sent to the AHL, and Petry has been scratched. And neither has played bad. Petry has actually been our best Dman. To make things worse, Petry is a RD and is being replaced by Nurse, who is a left D. Our 2 worst dmen have been Ference and Hunt, who are left D. Welp.

Our top 3 centres tonight are Arcobello, Draisaitl, and Yakimov. Arco has played 45 NHL games, Draisaitl 2, Yakimov 0.

 

[tsanuri]

We only have one line clicking, everyone else has been missing in action. Our power play is not working well either. To somehow overlook this game would be a huge mistake. The Kings need to be better, and Quick isn't exactly rocking the house either. Let's go boys! Get it done.

I think a large portion of the PP is the line combos. Having Richards, Kopi and Carter all on one unit is horrible to me. It leaves Stoll as our only other C to be on the second unit. I think they need to get Carter off that first unit and let him C the second unit with his regular line mates. The fact that they are the only good line so far I think we work itself out. If not it's going to be a long season.
The goal issue is much about how many shots we are giving up. Come on we are 23 right now at 33.3 SA/G. That is horrible for us. Once we get that straight I think things will be just fine in goal.

 

[YP44]

We only have one line clicking, everyone else has been missing in action. Our power play is not working well either. To somehow overlook this game would be a huge mistake. The Kings need to be better, and Quick isn't exactly rocking the house either. Let's go boys! Get it done.

I don't think anyone is saying this game should be over looked, but Edmonton is seriously dressing a team that would struggle to win the calder cup tonight.

 

[YP44]

I think a large portion of the PP is the line combos. Having Richards, Kopi and Carter all on one unit is horrible to me. It leaves Stoll as our only other C to be on the second unit. I think they need to get Carter off that first unit and let him C the second unit with his regular line mates. The fact that they are the only good line so far I think we work itself out. If not it's going to be a long season.
The goal issue is much about how many shots we are giving up. Come on we are 23 right now at 33.3 SA/G. That is horrible for us. Once we get that straight I think things will be just fine in goal.

I like richards or Stoll on the back end on the PP. Especially with Muzzin still out. have drew and voynov as the other two "d" man.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Thanks for the updates everyone. Trying to get the roster corrected. The Oilers are dropping like flies it looks like.

 

[Bandit]

I don't think anyone is saying this game should be over looked, but Edmonton is seriously dressing a team that would struggle to win the calder cup tonight.

Which is why we'll lose 4-1.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Apparently Lewis isn't even skating, so if someone else goes down, he's likely going to be on IR.

 

[Roof Daddy]

Doughty is very much the exception (especially as a defenseman), not the rule. The Oilers have a roster laden with players that have either barely played in the minors or not played there at all. I wasn't only referring to Draisaitl (who I know little about). I was referring to guys like Eberle, Hall, Yakipov and Nugent. I'm sure there are other guys too.

The majority of the Kings players that were drafted by the organization spent at least a year in the minors. Toffoli was sent down to the minors last year because he didn't perform in camp. It seems like the Oilers aren't interested in spending the time it takes to develop players. Instead, they are letting them try and figure it out at the NHL. That might work in a few cases but 5+ years of losing lots of games is not going to develop anyone.

I'm not trying to be insulting. If I were an Oilers fan, I'd be upset about that. The Oilers should've spent the last 5 years rounding out their roster with whatever plugs they could scrape up in UFA while they slow develop and build their roster.

I'm fairly certain he's referring to the constant stream of youngsters rather than one specific case. But I agree that sometimes these guys get caught in a weird area where they benefit the big club but they absolutely destroy juniors, yet they aren't AHL eligible. Makes for some tough decisions that unfortunately result in sometimes undesirable outcomes.

Then again, I have a hard time remembering a player who was truly 'hurt' from being returned to juniors, but I digress.

I wasn't trying to be overly defensive about the Oilers, but the "rushed" theory in general. If a player is talented enough that his skill can cancel out the lack of strength and experience, to the point he doesn't look out of place, then why hold him back? In theory, the best possible coaching and training should be found at the NHL level (though I have my doubts with Eakins at the helm). What it comes down to is whether the player looks comfortable. For the Oil:

Hall: was physically ready and had won back to back Memorial Cup MVPs. Nothing left to prove.

Eberle: played 2 more years of junior after his draft year, as well as call ups to the AHL affiliate after his junior season, playing a total of 20 AHL games and putting up 9 goals and 23 points.

Nuge: physique was certainly in question, but they tried to shelter him initially with less ES minutes and loads of PP time. Put up 55pts in 62 games as an 18 year old.

Yakupov: maybe the best argument can be made against him, but Sarnia was going to be a train wreck of a team. He could have played in the KHL instead, but what benefit is there having your top prospect playing a different style game on different sized ice, not to mention the chance he lights it up over there and decides 8 million sounds better than 925k + bonuses.

Bottom line is, there are plenty of examples of young players succeeding in a difficult role, but it depends on the individual player and not some blanket rule that a player is automatically rushed if he plays at 18. Just look at Couturier as a rookie being used in a shut down role vs Malkin and Crosby. Adversely, you could look at Stamkos in his rookie season and his struggles and accuse them of "rushing" him. Did it hinder his development? Nope.

 

[Bee Sheriff]

This whole thread is just depressing

 

[tsanuri]

Apparently Lewis isn't even skating, so if someone else goes down, he's likely going to be on IR.

IR only saves a roster spot. It has to be LTIR to get both a roster spot and cap relief. And without the cap relief we can't call anyone up. But you have to think Lewis is close to going on LTIR just because of the time.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Can't believe Eakins is benching Petry. lol

IR only saves a roster spot. It has to be LTIR to get both a roster spot and cap relief. And without the cap relief we can't call anyone up. But you have to think Lewis is close to going on LTIR just because of the time.

They'd probably put him on LTIR then just for the cap space and because he may end up LTIR anyway if he isn't even skating.

 

[MsMeow]

Ye who are doing the GDTs, can you also include the Canadian channels? This one looks to be on SN360 and SN1.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Ye who are doing the GDTs, can you also include the Canadian channels? This one looks to be on SN360 and SN1.

Updated. Thanks for pointing that out to me. I'll remember for future GDTs.