Post-Game Talk: #10 - 10/29/19 | lightning @ RANGERS

[rangersfansince08]

Just love that we won a game withut relying on Trouba, Panarin and Zibby.

 

[SA16]

I really hope that Gort's bite the bullet and lock him up long-term this summer. He is definitely worth 6-7m per. The longer we post-pone it, the more the price will go up. Fox, TDA and Trouba all contributes with different things. It could probably be done for half the cost last summer, but that is the cost of making bad reads when you evaluate what you have...

He's not getting anywhere near 6-7M long term. Trouba just got 8M and Josi just got 9M as far more established players.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

You and Machinehead have short memories. We were all over Buffalo like a wet tee shirt. Forcing turnovers with aggressive in your face play. Which I might add directly lead to 4 or 5 goals that night. That was definitely our best effort so far this year. There's more to winning than just the amount of quality chances against. And twice Buffalo cut the lead to 2, before we responded back and took the wind out of their sails. Playing with a 2-3 goal lead will always have more scoring chances than a tight 1-1 game, but for anyone to think Buffalo had 23 quality chances that night, must be delusional in a fairly comfortable 6-2 win.

I didn't say they were bad against Buffalo or anything. I said they were better tonight, which they were.

I'm not sure how it's "delusional to think" that Buffalo had 23 scoring chances when that's what the stats say. The score doesn't always tell the whole story. Just because we won by a fair margin does not mean it's crazy to think they had a lot of scoring chances. If anything, it makes perfect sense: a team gets up by a wide margin and the other team is desperate and taking chances and putting on pressure trying to get back in the game.

He had a good first period vs Buffalo and then they poured it on the last 40. Hutton was swiss cheese and Hank was good, that's really the difference in that game and it reflects a easier win than it really was.

 

[Raspewtin]

this game was approx 1,000x better than the Buffalo one. we kinda got clobbered after the first period that game and ran up goals against probably the worst goalie performance of the year

 

[SA16]

I didn't say they were bad against Buffalo or anything. I said they were better tonight, which they were.

I'm not sure how it's "delusional to think" that Buffalo had 23 scoring chances when that's what the stats say. The score doesn't always tell the whole story. Just because we won by a fair margin does not mean it's crazy to think they had a lot of scoring chances. If anything, it makes perfect sense: a team gets up by a wide margin and the other team is desperate and taking chances and putting on pressure trying to get back in the game.

The SCF stat that is widely used is just bad. 46% of shot attempts this season have been classified as scoring chances. How does that make any sense? The definition is way too loose. Teams are averaging 1.98 5v5 goals/game and 20.2 5v5 scoring chances/game. Doesn't make sense. How can it be a scoring chance if only 10% of them turn into goals?

 

[TheDirtyH]

The SCF stat that is widely used is just bad. 46% of shot attempts this season have been classified as scoring chances. How does that make any sense? The definition is way too loose. Teams are averaging 1.98 5v5 goals/game and 20.2 5v5 scoring chances/game. Doesn't make sense. How can it be a scoring chance if only 10% of them turn into goals?

Good Goaltending.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Great win. Great effort. Chris Kreider is frustrating.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

The SCF stat that is widely used is just bad. 46% of shot attempts this season have been classified as scoring chances. How does that make any sense? The definition is way too loose. Teams are averaging 1.98 5v5 goals/game and 20.2 5v5 scoring chances/game. Doesn't make sense. How can it be a scoring chance if only 10% of them turn into goals?

I'm not that deep of a stats guy so you'd have to ask someone else. I just look at them to see if they match up with my impression from what I see when watching the game.

As for this game vs the Buffalo game, from the eye test this game felt like the Rangers were more in control, had more quality chances against the opposition and did a better job defending in their own zone to limit high quality chances against. That's what I felt I saw when watching these games and the stats seem to support that.

To me, this was the first solid full 60 minute game of the season for the Rangers.

 

[Tawnos]

The SCF stat that is widely used is just bad. 46% of shot attempts this season have been classified as scoring chances. How does that make any sense? The definition is way too loose. Teams are averaging 1.98 5v5 goals/game and 20.2 5v5 scoring chances/game. Doesn't make sense. How can it be a scoring chance if only 10% of them turn into goals?

Yeah, that just seems... off.

I felt like the play was pretty even in the Sabres game after the Rangers broke it open, which would make the Lightning game a better performance, since I thought they were the better team from beginning to end.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Speaking of, I love Geogiev, but I wish every time he succeeded we didn't have to make it him vs. Lundqvist.

From Brooks: "Look! There’s 23-year-old Alex Georgiev, who has outplayed Henrik Lundqvist through the opening weeks"

Meanwhile:

 

[Tawnos]

Great win. Great effort. Chris Kreider is frustrating.

Something I noticed... we get frustrated that he does stupid things sometimes. I think he's equally frustrated about it. Like the way he went down on that one play he tweaked whatever... the expression on his face after was pretty much "wtf is wrong with me?"

 

[UnSandvich]

One other point that I mentioned in the Lias thread, but neglected to mention here:

In 6:51 of ice-time at 5v5, Lias was on the ice for 9 NYR shots for, and 0 TBL shots against.

 

[NYR Viper]

Speaking of, I love Geogiev, but I wish every time he succeeded we didn't have to make it him vs. Lundqvist.

From Brooks: "Look! There’s 23-year-old Alex Georgiev, who has outplayed Henrik Lundqvist through the opening weeks"

Meanwhile:

This is literally done ALL THE TIME on these boards. Howden vs Andersson. ADA vs Trouba. Fox vs ADA.

It's slightly annoying

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

This is literally done ALL THE TIME on these boards. Howden vs Andersson. ADA vs Trouba. Fox vs ADA.

It's slightly annoying

Check that, it's VERY annoying.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

One other point that I mentioned in the Lias thread, but neglected to mention here:

In 6:51 of ice-time at 5v5, Lias was on the ice for 9 NYR shots for, and 0 TBL shots against.

Lias has looked very good all around. I'd really like to see Quinn swap him with Howden and give Lias some burn with some better linemates. I feel like his play has warranted it.

 

[Kovalev27]

I mean this is very much guy vs guy though when it comes to the goalies. There are only 2 of them and 1 net. When Georgiev is significantly outplaying hank and he is, and the team is also better in front of him and they are, it’s not just about stats it’s demeanor it’s calming influence on the team it’s screaming at an 18 year old for a turnover Goal against when you’re winning a game 3-0. (Hank did this)

It’s time for Georgiev to be the starter. That means the lions share of the load. Hank will still play but he shouldn’t be playing 2 or 3 games to every one Georgiev plays. Not anymore.

just like Staal shouldn’t be playing too pairing mins ( or frankly any at this point)

 

[will1066]

Lias indeed has been good. Strong on the puck. Stout.

 

[Kovalev27]

By the way Smith Howden Lias would be a heck of a 4th line when Mika gets back. I don’t think lias is going to get better in Hartford he should be here playing

Howden I would love to see get the Chytil deal and go to Hartford for a bit. Think it would do him wonders but I don’t see it happening. His upside is a 3C so I don’t see any issue playing him on the 4th line and just giving that line more mins. Roll 4 lines more

 

[Thirty One]

This is literally done ALL THE TIME on these boards. Howden vs Andersson. ADA vs Trouba. Fox vs ADA.

It's slightly annoying

Look at you pinning doing this against not doing this.

 

[Raspewtin]

Lias is a really thick kid and he absolutely hammered some Tampa guys in the offensive zone last night.

Honestly, Micheal Haley has been fine too. I know the talk before the season was you can do worse than Haley but he still sucks (which he kinda does) but he's been good defensively and I'd rather him over that dumbass McKegg.

I want Lias to get more time but the 4th line has been good lately.

 

[Kovalev27]

Haley is loved in that room too and you don’t need to play him. He costs virtually nothing. For such a young room keep him there.

 

[will1066]

Kakko has only one more goal than Haley

 

[Leetch3]

I mean this is very much guy vs guy though when it comes to the goalies. There are only 2 of them and 1 net. When Georgiev is significantly outplaying hank and he is, and the team is also better in front of him and they are, it’s not just about stats it’s demeanor it’s calming influence on the team it’s screaming at an 18 year old for a turnover Goal against when you’re winning a game 3-0. (Hank did this)

It’s time for Georgiev to be the starter. That means the lions share of the load. Hank will still play but he shouldn’t be playing 2 or 3 games to every one Georgiev plays. Not anymore.

just like Staal shouldn’t be playing too pairing mins ( or frankly any at this point)

its not always guy vs guy though...obviously there is competition in certain spots for ice time but does it really need to be a competition between, lets say trouba, fox and ADA when all 3 are gonna play?

but my main issue with the 'guy vs guy' debates is when people pick one as their guy and then bash the other guy as a way to justify that their guy should play more...no root for both guys to do well and whoever is better is better.

 

[Kovalev27]

its not always guy vs guy though...obviously there is competition in certain spots for ice time but does it really need to be a competition between, lets say trouba, fox and ADA when all 3 are gonna play?

but my main issue with the 'guy vs guy' debates is when people pick one as their guy and then bash the other guy as a way to justify that their guy should play more...no root for both guys to do well and whoever is better is better.

No and I agree on that but 3 Dmen they are all playing every night.

for goalies it’s one net per night. The better player should get the net way more.


Now when you see a Pionk getting 25 mins a night and playing awful hockey and DeAngelo in the pressbox that’s when people get upset and rightly so

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

One other point that I mentioned in the Lias thread, but neglected to mention here:

In 6:51 of ice-time at 5v5, Lias was on the ice for 9 NYR shots for, and 0 TBL shots against.

Lias played great, but they have some infatuation with Howden. Kakko is never going to produe at ES playing with Lemieux and Howden. Plus Fast looked more fit for that line, but the Rangers played their best game of the year last night. Still think some things could be tweaked though bc Strome and Fast couldn't make a play last night.