Boston Bruins ‘22-‘23 Bruins roster and trade proposals discussions. IV

[MarchysNoseKnows]

As of today you probably are looking at one add assuming status quo

We know Stralman is around, Reilly in AHL can add solid depth, and Zboril with team

That’s 9 D

Accari fits so many ways he’s basically a Bruins already

With no changes and getting DeBrusk back healthy this would be my add

Issue with him is that makes four righthanded centers, if that's where you're playing him. At 4RW? Sure. But they usually want a lefthanded center for the PK.

In my mind, the luxury, FU add is a high end 4C. Nosek does his job, but I'd rather go all out there than try to tinker with the top 9, now that Frederic is hitting his stride. Assuming no injuries, of course.

 

[BlackCrowes]

As of today you probably are looking at one add assuming status quo

We know Stralman is around, Reilly in AHL can add solid depth, and Zboril with team

That’s 9 D

Accari fits so many ways he’s basically a Bruins already

With no changes and getting DeBrusk back healthy this would be my add

I thought the same thing with Acciari. You’d assume he’d fit in that locker room seamlessly, and if what Dom has been saying is true (looking for an upgrade on line 4 to bump Greer to #13 F), he seems like a perfect fit…

 

[DominicT]

Shouldn't dismiss plus/minus so easily. Used with context it's a good stat.

I mean who here doesn't brag about the team's goal differential? It's basically a plus/minus that includes special teams.

 

[the negotiator]

Shouldn't dismiss plus/minus so easily. Used with context it's a good stat.

I mean who here doesn't brag about the team's goal differential? It's basically a plus/minus that includes special teams.

There you go again

bringing facts, objectivity and reasonableness to the discussion

 

[PB37]

Shouldn't dismiss plus/minus so easily. Used with context it's a good stat.

I mean who here doesn't brag about the team's goal differential? It's basically a plus/minus that includes special teams.

I think it's a good barometer for when the sample size gets larger ( half season, full season, career ).

 

[Bruinaura]

Yes, I would take Acciari back, please and thank you

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Shouldn't dismiss plus/minus so easily. Used with context it's a good stat.

I mean who here doesn't brag about the team's goal differential? It's basically a plus/minus that includes special teams.

A team stat is much different than individual one though. Plus minus is very influenced by the team around you, and incredibly goaltending dependent. Look at last year’s Rangers as an extreme example.

Derek Forbort is a +8. Colton Parayko is a -12. We know why that’s so extreme - and that’s what makes it a poor metric for evaluating individual play.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

A team stat is much different than individual one though. Plus minus is very influenced by the team around you, and incredibly goaltending dependent. Look at last year’s Rangers as an extreme example.

Derek Forbort is a +8. Colton Parayko is a -12. We know why that’s so extreme - and that’s what makes it a poor metric for evaluating individual play.

Plus/Minus is not designed for comparison across different teams, rather within a team.

Monty really doesn't care what Forbort's +/- is compared to Parayko, but he is concerned with a comparison to Grzelyck.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Plus/Minus is not designed for comparison across different teams, rather within a team.

Monty really doesn't care what Forbort's +/- is compared to Parayko, but he is concerned with a comparison to Grzelyck.

But even within a team, you have deployment differences, playing time differences, etc. If your backup goalie sucks (not us obviously) and 70% of a player's minus is games the backup plays, that isn't captured.

It's an analytic, it's there, it's spread widely. But it's not a good metric for player evaluation, either inter- or intra-team.

 

[Dizzay]

But even within a team, you have deployment differences, playing time differences, etc. If your backup goalie sucks (not us obviously) and 70% of a player's minus is games the backup plays, that isn't captured.

It's an analytic, it's there, it's spread widely. But it's not a good metric for player evaluation, either inter- or intra-team.

I like +/- as a stat. I don't think it's worth the paper it's written on 15-20 games into the season but as the year goes on, its quite indicative to not only the player but the entire line/pairing.

My move is Toewes for a few reasons.

1. Left shot Center
2. Can move up 1C, 2C, 3C baring any major injuries to Bergy-Krejci-Coyle.
3. Guy is a winner
4. Can kill penalties and play shutdown minutes
5. Line 4 would be way more dangerous offensively with a combination of Foligno-Toewes-XXXX

To be clear, I'd only do this deal if the price was right.
Nosek + Reilly + 1st for Toewes (50% retained)

That sheds us of Reilly's contract in 2023, a first is tough to swallow but its Toewes we're getting plus ridding ourselves of Reilly. I think That's a win/win

 

[Matt8871]

A team stat is much different than individual one though. Plus minus is very influenced by the team around you, and incredibly goaltending dependent. Look at last year’s Rangers as an extreme example.

Derek Forbort is a +8. Colton Parayko is a -12. We know why that’s so extreme - and that’s what makes it a poor metric for evaluating individual play.

Horrible take, and by horrible i mean correct and the most sane take on this board

 

[Bmessy]

I see places to improve are bottom six depth and bottom pair D flexibility. What a place to be!

Does Noel Acciari play wing? He can play short handed and would be an upgrade over Greer, possibly Smith.

Forbort and Carlo are taking a huge load on shorthanded ice time. Given history with injuries we may want to shore that area up.
The next 2 in line in SHOTOI are Lindholm and McAvoy. No real issue there but I'd rather Lindolm and McAvoy using there skills at 5v5 or PP.
Could Clifton take some SHTOI load in case of an injury? He's playing about 1 min per game now.

Gudas could fit that mold, but not sure he'd be fine sharing time with Forbort/Clifton/Gryz. Also not even sure he's an upgrade over Clifton.

Vladislav Gavrikov is a guy I don't see on any lists. Maybe because Columbus probably wants to re-sign him?
He's playing some huge minutes for Columbus, but is a UFA and maybe he could come cheaper than some of the other big names (Chychrun). But we'd have the best D in the league after as he could play anywhere on the left side in any situation.

 

[goalieman40]

Haven't paid close attention to him lately, nor looked at cap, but always liked Patric Hornqvist and thought he'd be a good Bruin.

 

[bme44]

I see places to improve are bottom six depth and bottom pair D flexibility. What a place to be!

Does Noel Acciari play wing? He can play short handed and would be an upgrade over Greer, possibly Smith.

Forbort and Carlo are taking a huge load on shorthanded ice time. Given history with injuries we may want to shore that area up.
The next 2 in line in SHOTOI are Lindholm and McAvoy. No real issue there but I'd rather Lindolm and McAvoy using there skills at 5v5 or PP.
Could Clifton take some SHTOI load in case of an injury? He's playing about 1 min per game now.

Gudas could fit that mold, but not sure he'd be fine sharing time with Forbort/Clifton/Gryz. Also not even sure he's an upgrade over Clifton.

I so agree with the Bold part think another D-man to handle some of the PK would be nice to have . Really do not want 27 and 73 having to spend extra time in this role.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I so agree with the Bold part think another D-man to handle some of the PK would be nice to have . Really do not want 27 and 73 having to spend extra time in this role

Defensemen in the top 50 for % of short handed TOI they spend on their team includes Toews, Makar, Pietrangelo, Sergachev, Nurse, Slavin, Brodin, and Ekblad.

Lindholm is 90th and McAvoy is 92nd. Carlo is 28th and Forbort is 32nd.

I think we’re in a good place here.

 

[goldnblack]

oook I have one, a realistic one

Vlad Gavrikov (Columbus), D, shoots Left
6'3 227 lbs
Top 4 pedigree
Currently 4th in the NHL in PK time on ice at his position
UFA, 2.8M

Don't think he's ever going to light the world on fire with hits, in that sense he's closer to Carlo. But I think it'll be someone you could fit at the deadline hopefully. Think a good prospect and a 3rd probably gets him?

If you want to shore up the PK, get bigger, do it cheaply, that's a guy

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Could work. But if Scandella comes back, and he is expected too, the Blues don't have the cap space

Barbashev + Bortuzzo for Smith + actual assets would work cap wise, wouldn't it?

 

[DKH]

Issue with him is that makes four righthanded centers, if that's where you're playing him. At 4RW? Sure. But they usually want a lefthanded center for the PK.

In my mind, the luxury, FU add is a high end 4C. Nosek does his job, but I'd rather go all out there than try to tinker with the top 9, now that Frederic is hitting his stride. Assuming no injuries, of course.

Pretty much has to be a UFA though

 

[bme44]

Defensemen in the top 50 for % of short handed TOI they spend on their team includes Toews, Makar, Pietrangelo, Sergachev, Nurse, Slavin, Brodin, and Ekblad.

Lindholm is 90th and McAvoy is 92nd. Carlo is 28th and Forbort is 32nd.

I think we’re in a good place here.

I hope you are right , however the playoffs is a lot heavier game than the regular season. I still would prefer to be able to limit the time 27 and 73 have to spend killing Penalties and be able to use them more in an offensive role. Having to play in your own zone and having to spend more time blocking shoots . Is something you want to limit for your two stud D

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I hope you are right , however the playoffs is a lot heavier game than the regular season. I still would prefer to be able to limit the time 27 and 73 have to spend killing Penalties and be able to use them more in an offensive role. Having to play in your own zone and having to spend more time blocking shoots . Is something you want to limit for your two stud D

On the flip side, having those two as your second PK unit is a huge advantage in the playoffs. It’s not like Hedman/Makar/slavin etc don’t play PK in the playoffs

 

[bme44]

On the flip side, having those two as your second PK unit is a huge advantage in the playoffs. It’s not like Hedman/Makar/slavin etc don’t play PK in the playoffs

I agree 100%. The second unit PK is much better than as your primary. My concern is if either Carlo or Forbort get injured one of them becomes a primary penalty killer. It would be nice to have a third D that could take on this role,saving 27 and 73 .

Not saying I know the solution. I am not confident 67 is capable of filling that void.

 

[jgatie]

I agree 100%. The second unit PK is much better than as your primary. My concern is if either Carlo or Forbort get injured one of them becomes a primary penalty killer. It would be nice to have a third D that could take on this role,saving 27 and 73 .

I think you are going to see less injuries for the D this season/playoffs. Monty's gaps aren't as suicidal as Cassidy's, so they have time to play the puck. Cassidy wanted the gaps so small, as soon as they turned into the corner the forwards were right on them and they had no time to avoid the hit.

 

[22Brad Park]

Gavrikov is going and with his size I would love to add him here for deep playoff run.He is a UFA to be so no tying them to salary.Keep hearing Oilers and Leafs sniffing.Watch Kings though.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Gavirkov is going and with his size I would love to add him here for deep playoff run.Keep hearing Oilers and Leafs sniffing.Watch Kings though.

There's your Forbort upgrade, as referenced above. Going to be very costly though, and not sure the Bruins can win that battle.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

But even within a team, you have deployment differences, playing time differences, etc. If your backup goalie sucks (not us obviously) and 70% of a player's minus is games the backup plays, that isn't captured.

It's an analytic, it's there, it's spread widely. But it's not a good metric for player evaluation, either inter- or intra-team.

Seems players and coaches talk about it quite a bit for it being a poor metric.