Lmao, Zibanejad isn't as good as CouturierComparables are McDavid, Matthews, Tavarez, Seguin, etc. not Couturier
After reading some Bern trade value posts……8 years, $15M per.
Yeah he is now but he’s worse compared to when Tavares was signed 3 years ago
If Zibanejad signs tomorrow? 8.5 AAV … if he gets to UFA then he gets 10 million AAV from someone assuming he has a healthy year.
Zibanejad is better than Tavares by a significant margin right now
Why is tavares even a comparable? He’s on an awful boat anchor of a deal."significant" is that why Zibanejad has only had a better PPG once in his career and they scored the same amount of points this year?
a rangers fan in the previous off-season: 'zib is top 5 forward in the game.'NHL fans discussing Zibs talent: "Zib is not as good as any of the games top centers"
NHL fans discussing Zibs next deal: "Zib next contract is going to be like the games top centers"
Never change, HFB.
the comparable is tavares, when he signed the contract with the leafs. current tavares is just the illustration of the risks, which comes with rich long term contracts with trade protections.Why is tavares even a comparable? He’s on an awful boat anchor of a deal.
The risks were obvious at time of contract. It was always an unnecessary and poor deal.the comparable is tavares, when he signed the contract with the leafs. current tavares is just the illustration of the risks, which comes with rich long term contracts with trade protections.
The $ is not an issue IF IF IF it is on the following terms, which club must hold firm to, otherwise deal now for highest return....
4 years no more
ok as a new deal to replace existing 5+ last yr [as opposed to add on]
no nmc
limited ntc 22 clubs he can submit no trade at beginning of yr
we pay him 10.5 in return
say honestly, we intend to keep you
but
if have to move you retained for Matthews
or if there is another reason we have to move you
including recover cap,
then understand
we have to go there
otherwise, we do prefer to keep you,
but
only on these terms
$$ for club flexibility
only downside to that deal is it might delay long term [thus cost saving] contract for Fox
if he is adamant and wants more than 4 yrs, even less $, the answer is no.
8 years 10.5 just to see Berns response oh yeah full nmc too
I dont think it does stand. The linemates argument was a big factor IMO.
Last year:
Zibanejad: 0.893 PPG
Couturier: 0.911 PPG
Last 3 years:
Zibanejad: 1.020 PPG
Couturier: 0.907 PPG
Zibanejad had 1 insane year with 40 goals that stands out significantly. But even with that factored in, the offensive numbers are still relatively close. Couts gets more points even strength than Zibanejad does (Zib has 24 more ppp in last 3 years), and the gap defensively is much larger as Couturier is literally a Selke winner. I also don't agree that Zibanejad is above average defensively for a top center. He's just normal/average which is not bad. Couturier is just a monster defensively.
Ive made my points. Some are opinions (like how close they are defensively for example). Feel free to reply and ill read it, but i'll agree to disagree at this point if you're not convinced.
So are most of the top centers...Yeah he is now but he’s worse compared to when Tavares was signed 3 years ago
Not to compare players, but regarding the top 6 - they had Panarin and Buchnevich (The same player we were told isn't a 1st line winger). Unless you want to add Kreider to the list when everybody says how overrated his he. Kakko and Laf did nothing. So where was this strong top 6 that helped Zibanejad produce? We got more help producing from DeAngelo and Fox the last 2 years than most of our top 6.Zibanejad is a good player, but just because Couturier's production isn't exactly "top tier", he was projected to be a finalist for the Selke before he even suited up for his first NHL game.
I like both players but I think you're an ignoramus if you think Zibanejad is Couturier's equal. He simply is not. In fantasy, Zibanejad might be the better player, but in reality, not the case.
Not to mention, look at the talent the Rangers have in their top 6. Flyers ain't close to that, further supporting my claim.
They had Panarin and Buchnevich (The same player we were told isn't a 1st line winger). Unless you want to add Kreider to the list when everybody says how overrated his he. Kakko and Laf did nothing. So where was this strong top 6 that helped Zibanejad produce? We got more help producing from DeAngelo and Fox the last 2 years than most of our top 6.
And saying he's "not in the same stratosphere as Couturier offensively" shows how clueless you are. His 19-20 season - the only one he vastly outperformed Couts in terms of points/goals production - was one where he shot a COMPLETELY SUSTAINABLE 19%, which is 6% above (i.e. nearly a 50% increase) his career average. No player post lockout - even the top of the top goalscorers - has sustained such a shooting%, and I'm sure you have to go back to the high goalscoring eras to find one. Basing a player's evaluation based on one outlier (as outstanding as it might have been) season is inherently dumb. They are, overall, practically neck and shoulder (including Zibs' 19-20 season!) over the past few seasons, with Zibs having a slight edge in points rate (a whooping 0.1 more per 60) and the edge in goalscoring (0.3 more per 60) and Couts having a slight edge in playmaking (0.14 more assists per 60) and a clear, substantial edge in defensive impact.He probably signs at something like 8x9.5m with the rangers. If somehow he goes to free agency I'm willing to go up to 7x11m to get him to MTL. He's elite. Not in the same stratosphere as couturier offensively(whoever posted those charts again proved just how f***ing useless advanced stats are).