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TheBloodyNine said:
Couldn’t agree more. Time to trade strength for weakness. A young ELC D for a young ELC C. A young guy who can become the number 2 guy behind Mika.
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no, dude, I was being facetious. These things don't actually happen very much at all, people just always say that. When you sign a player for eight years, you probably going to keep him 5-6 years, like it or not.
 
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jay from jersey said:
Would have never happened like that Bern. Your asking the agent/ player to give up too much financial security.
30 years old plus is not when you gamble with guaranteed money. Not in the professional sports world.
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let's examine that ... by the #s
he's getting 8.5 x 8
I was willing to go as high as 10.5 x 4 -- if of course I got the concessions specified

that's an extra 2.5 per x 4 = 10m
That's just under a full yr and a quarter he would have earned had he gone my way.
He would have established 10.5 as his number, and whoever gave him that next contract, even if it went down, if his production were up there would be a basis to not fall high from that starting point.
He might have gotten 8.5 or 9 per if he was willing to go the next 2 years.
And as long as he still doesn't fall off a cliff his last 2 years are still a 6-7 per figure.

He was not shortchanged
and it was smart to suggest Rangers go there to have full cap control

Z decided bird in the hand worth more than 2 in the bush, simple as that.

And all of this works out well for us in the short term.
If you figure Strome + Geo going = Fox extension and a small surplus, we are really gonna be up vs it after next season for LaF + KK -- unless we move Trouba
 
BobMarleyNYR said:
In my 18 years using this board, I've learned a lot of things-- most important ones about myself. But the one thing I know is I smell a trade coming.
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The easy one is Strome
he's from TOR and I guess would do discount for term and decent $.
They'd prob have to sell Kerfoot cheap.


A big deal would be:

Miller, Kravtsov Hajek + 3rd
for
Sanderson + 2nd

Hate to see Krav go and I wanted him tried at C
but 9OA Krav + a high end LD w/size and reach who's had a min of development before he got here and had a good rookie season until everybody got hurt at the end, that would be a signif return for a guy 5OA

plus they are immediately useful to OTT now

for NY Sanderson won't sign til end of this season or after
helps us push back elc cap
loosens log jam slightly

this year
Lindy - Fox
Jones - Trouba
Nemeth - Nils

above is balanced, 1 clear the crease size guy, one playmaker

gives 1 yr to build Jones value and sell high, or trade Lindy sell high or keep Sanderson + Jones + move Lindy to 4LW/reserve emergency D


Robertson + Schneider first pair in the A, get mins
Tinordi maybe sticks as reserve
Reunanen gets some mins so we build up his value and deal

also our lines:
with it clear Zib is staying...

Goodrow - Zib - Panarin
LaF - Chytil - Gauthier
Kreider - Barron - Kakko
Reaves - Blais - Rooney
Hunt

Cuylie + Panjuniemi get groomed to replace Reaves + Rooney

somethin like dat
 
I'm fine with this contract. I wish the NMC was a little shorter, but you don't come in at 8.5 without those extra years. To me, the problem contract is Kreider, but who knew we would get Laf?

After the 2023-2024 season, my guess is the team starts looking for suitors for Trouba and Kreider as long as the kids are established.

Between our wealth of prospects and our established young vets, we have a lot of options for the first time that I can remember in my lifetime.

We've come far from the days where we pinned all our hopes to guys like Michael St. Croix.

It's insane that we could trade Georgiev, Hajek, Gauthier, and Reunanen and not feel it. Any of those guys would've been top prospects in those days. Never mind Strome.
 
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bernmeister said:
let's examine that ... by the #s
he's getting 8.5 x 8
I was willing to go as high as 10.5 x 4 -- if of course I got the concessions specified

that's an extra 2.5 per x 4 = 10m
That's just under a full yr and a quarter he would have earned had he gone my way.
He would have established 10.5 as his number, and whoever gave him that next contract, even if it went down, if his production were up there would be a basis to not fall high from that starting point.
He might have gotten 8.5 or 9 per if he was willing to go the next 2 years.
And as long as he still doesn't fall off a cliff his last 2 years are still a 6-7 per figure.

He was not shortchanged
and it was smart to suggest Rangers go there to have full cap control

Z decided bird in the hand worth more than 2 in the bush, simple as that.

And all of this works out well for us in the short term.
If you figure Strome + Geo going = Fox extension and a small surplus, we are really gonna be up vs it after next season for LaF + KK -- unless we move Trouba
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Your trying to equate the same money with a higher cap/less years. He would be hosing himself financially with taxes in the shorter period of time.
That’s not what a retirement contract is. That’s why you don’t see anyone do it.
The agents know this game cold.
Don’t think for 1 second that Zibby, his brother agent, Drury, or any fans or commentators think that he’s playing the entirety of this deal out with NYR.
It’s the exact reasons why older guys sign these big deals. Security. I’d consider us lucky the hit was under 9 even with the 8th year tbh
 
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Bluto said:
No more Eichel to NYR speculation after this. Thank god.
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Don’t be so sure. It’s a long season and he’s going to miss most of it. I just don’t see a lot of potential suitors.
If Drury can pick him up for his price, while getting the Sabres or a possible 3rd team to eat some cap, it remains a possibility. Albeit, a slim one. Certainly less likely then before Zibbys new deal.
 
bobbop said:
Don’t think I’ve seen anyone make this link…signing Mika today is directly tied to the Buchnevich trade. With the other upcoming obligations (e.g Fox, Kakko etc.) the Rangers may not have offered this contract. The complete trade is Blais, a 2nd and future cap space for Buchnevich.
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Yes that is how every trade works. The salary cap was implemented 16 years ago.
 
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IDvsEGO said:
And yet if you look around the league at ufa deals for rhd recently Trouba looks like a f***ing steal.
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if he was a 10-30 type of guy, yeah. He's not a useless player by a long shot. Yes, he's playing a valuable role on the team. He's just not playing at the level of his AAV comparables.
Trouba's salary comparables should be more like Krug, Muzzin, and Pelech. Not Hamilton, Pietrangelo, or Heiskanen
 
RickChartraw said:
what? like seriously.

edit: you have everyone on the 4th line out of position. Gauthier ahead of Kakko, Panarin playing his off wing. where's Boo Nieves in this rigamarole
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Bern doesn’t care about positions. He’d try and convince the world Gretzky would have been a better player if he played as a defenseman.
 
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bernmeister said:
let's examine that ... by the #s
he's getting 8.5 x 8
I was willing to go as high as 10.5 x 4 -- if of course I got the concessions specified

that's an extra 2.5 per x 4 = 10m
That's just under a full yr and a quarter he would have earned had he gone my way.
He would have established 10.5 as his number, and whoever gave him that next contract, even if it went down, if his production were up there would be a basis to not fall high from that starting point.
He might have gotten 8.5 or 9 per if he was willing to go the next 2 years.
And as long as he still doesn't fall off a cliff his last 2 years are still a 6-7 per figure.

He was not shortchanged
and it was smart to suggest Rangers go there to have full cap control

Z decided bird in the hand worth more than 2 in the bush, simple as that.

And all of this works out well for us in the short term.
If you figure Strome + Geo going = Fox extension and a small surplus, we are really gonna be up vs it after next season for LaF + KK -- unless we move Trouba
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What about net after taxes with the 2 contracts (yours vs actual)?
 
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bobbop said:
Don’t think I’ve seen anyone make this link…signing Mika today is directly tied to the Buchnevich trade. With the other upcoming obligations (e.g Fox, Kakko etc.) the Rangers may not have offered this contract. The complete trade is Blais, a 2nd and future cap space for Buchnevich.
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Could be. I think everyone just figured Stromes cap hit would go to Zibbys raise since it unlikely he’s back next season. They still could have announced the deal, even with strome on the team since it doesn’t go into affect til next year.
Either way, 6 in 1 half dozen in the other, Fox kakko, kravtsov, and Zibby needing raises next year, buchs cap room was going to one of them
 
n8 said:
if he was a 10-30 type of guy, yeah. He's not a useless player by a long shot. Yes, he's playing a valuable role on the team. He's just not playing at the level of his AAV comparables.
Trouba's salary comparables should be more like Krug, Muzzin, and Pelech. Not Hamilton, Pietrangelo, or Heiskanen
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I mean I’d use Jones as the comp example.
But yes, you have someone who’s overpaid, but in trouba’s case it’s not as overpaid as some make it out.
I also think that if we make the playoffs trouba immediately shows off why we pay him that number, as him and Lindgren are the two defensemen who’s game is tailor made for the playoffs.
 
IDvsEGO said:
I mean I’d use Jones as the comp example.
But yes, you have someone who’s overpaid, but in trouba’s case it’s not as overpaid as some make it out.
I also think that if we make the playoffs trouba immediately shows off why we pay him that number, as him and Lindgren are the two defensemen who’s game is tailor made for the playoffs.
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This. He’s capable of putting up 40 pts from the backend as well as playing good in transition and physical on D. Those types of guys aren’t exactly easy to find.
His points suffer because we have better offensive alternatives, but at most, as most people know, he’s overpaid by a mill to 1.5 tops. Add to that fact we bought out his substantial money making UFA years. He’ll only be 32 when his deal expires
 
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