Proposal: Zaitsev to the Flyers

[Jared Dunn]

Makes sense. It is definitely a steep price to pay, as I am sure teams will get impact players all through the top 40 of this draft (and beyond). But I think Murphy would be an awesome addition.

What's your view of Murphy? Health, ability, projection, etc. I'd be lying if I said I've watched much of the Hawks these last few years, but my impression of Murph has always been really positive.

Good 2nd pairing D, very little offence, good chance he's going to miss a chunk of season. Tanev-lite

 

[VanillaCoke]

Nowhere near tanev

 

[UglyPuckling]

please give away your 1st round pick

We already gave you Murray.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Flyers fans accept

Fletcher likely does not

 

[SensFactor]

Ottawa is not giving up a 1st rounder in a deep draft for Zaitsev who has 2 years left before UFA. Sens don't need the cap space that desperately.

 

[Rebel247]

Flyers probably make this type of deal closer to the TDL when teams are more desperate for cap space.

 

[CanuckistanFlyerfan]

Ottawa is not giving up a 1st rounder in a deep draft for Zaitsev who has 2 years left before UFA. Sens don't need the cap space that desperately.

Come on man....can't you just let Fletcher make ONE good deal in his FOUR effing long painful agonizing years as our worst GM ever? Just one?

 

[NyQuil]

Come on man....can't you just let Fletcher make ONE good deal in his FOUR effing long painful agonizing years as our worst GM ever? Just one?

Sorry, we need the Summer of Dorion to continue to make up for some of his past moves.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Flyers are swimming in LTIR, and I can't imagine they have any pretenses of winning this year. Might be nice to get a warm body ahead of York so he's not getting reamed by the best opposition players every night. No Couts will make for some lopsided possession.

Zaitsev has 2 years left at 4.5m. He's a bottom pairing defenceman on a most teams, maybe a 7-8 on a good team. The 1st would be a gamble - how much higher will OTT finish this year? Or will they unexpectedly finish in the lottery again?

Ottawa gets:
PTBNL

Philly gets:
Zaitsev
Ottawa's 1st 2023

No idea who PTBNL is, and no to proposal with a first.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Sorry, we need the Summer of Dorion to continue to make up for some of his past moves.

We need a f***ing decade of Dorion to make up.

 

[biturbo19]

That seems like a really steep price for Ottawa to pay, just to unload a guy who is at least still an NHL caliber RHD. Substantially overpriced, yes...but if Ottawa were giving up that kind of price to get rid of him, i'd hope that there's an actual reason. Something they're deliberately trying to make cap space for. If there's not a follow-on move lined up behind this, i don't really see the point for the Sens. Making cap space just for the sake of cap space doesn't really help them win games. Not any more than just having Zaitsev does. Underwhelming as he may be.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Zero chance the Sens give up a 1st to dump Zaitsev. He only makes 2.5M in salary the rest of this year, which makes him only a million or so overpaid.

Should cost a 2nd + mid-pick to dump the last year of his contract in the summer. No need for the Sens to dump him now unless it's in a deal for Chychrun or a different top 4 D, in which case Zaitsev would likely be going the other way in the deal.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Note thread was made by a leafs poster, who said hopes Ottawa gives up a first.

 

[SensontheRush]

Didn't the Sens give up their 2023 first dumping Murray, an even bigger contract?

What, a 3rd? You don't say.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Zero chance the Sens give up a 1st to dump Zaitsev. He only makes 2.5M in salary the rest of this year, which makes him only a million or so overpaid.

Should cost a 2nd + mid-pick to dump the last year of his contract in the summer. No need for the Sens to dump him now unless it's in a deal for Chychrun or a different top 4 D, in which case Zaitsev would likely be going the other way in the deal.

With 2 years remaining it would easily cost a 1st. And for that reason, he won’t be traded.

Zaitsev is a capdump plain and simple.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I like the idea that Ottawa doesn't actually need the cap space, they just throw away a first to get a little more if it. Good peace of mind. Always nice to have some cap space to keep you warm at night.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Fletcher is too dumb to take advantage of any team that needs cap space because he needs his own cap space to give out awful contracts to the Hayeses and Ristolainens of the league

 

[playasRus]

Done deal from this end. Hawks wouldn't do it with Form + Zaits, as the 1st just holds too much value to them, even top-10 protected.

Ottawa probably takes that pretty easily, unless our professional scouts hate Murphy - but we know our professional scouts aren't the best....

With 2 years remaining it would easily cost a 1st. And for that reason, he won’t be traded.

Zaitsev is a capdump plain and simple.

What it would cost and what they're willing to pay are different though. Ottawa doesn't need to mortgage a 1st in a deep draft for 2.5M in real dollars, when they can pay that 2.5M and spend just a 2nd + to unload him in 8 months, or 2nd alone in 10 months (and pay another 2.5M).

The team values a 1st round pick more than 2.5M, I'm sure.

 

[BurgoShark]

Zaitsev dump proposals need to consider
- Ottawa’s abundance of cap space in 2022-23
- the bonus already paid to Zaitsev ($2m)
- Zaitsev’s 10 team NTC
- Cap cost of buyout with 1 year left
* $3.6m cash with
* cap hit for 2023-24 @ $2.8m
* cap hit for 2024-25 @ $833k

Any trade now needs to be to make space for an immediate upgrade, or to bring that $2.8m buyout number down in 2023-24 (ideally both).

Say Ottawa want to acquire a D from a team on Zaitsev’s NTC list, and therefore need the cap space - they could involve a third party team (e.g. Philly) in a deal. They can’t attach a first rounder though, because they will need that for acquiring the other guy.

Something like this would be consistent with market value for other cap dump trades, and would work for Ottawa financially:

To third party: Zaitsev (22% retained) + 2nd + 3rd.

Result here (versus a buyout next Summer) is that Ottawa pays 2nd + 3rd for …
- a $3.5m cap saving in 2022-23
- a $1.8m cap saving in 2023-24
- an $800k cap saving in 2024-25
- a saving of ~$1.9m in real dollars

Acquiring team pays Zaitsev ~$5m over 2 seasons, at a cap hit of $3.5m AAv.

 

[Curufinwe]

Ristolainen + 2023 3rd for Zaitsev

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Ristolainen + 2023 3rd for Zaitsev

I could see the Sens doing this but I really, really hope not.

 

[ViD]

Ottawa 2023 first would have a tremendous value

 

[Hale The Villain]

Ristolainen + 2023 3rd for Zaitsev

Change the 3rd to a 2023 1st and maybe the Sens think about it.

Zaitsev's deal is off the books after next season. Ristolainen's isn't finished until after 2026/27.

 

[Curufinwe]

Think of how tough the Sens would be, tho.