Proposal: Zaitsev to the Flyers

[Tufted Titmouse]

Flyers are swimming in LTIR, and I can't imagine they have any pretenses of winning this year. Might be nice to get a warm body ahead of York so he's not getting reamed by the best opposition players every night. No Couts will make for some lopsided possession.

Zaitsev has 2 years left at 4.5m. He's a bottom pairing defenceman on a most teams, maybe a 7-8 on a good team. The 1st would be a gamble - how much higher will OTT finish this year? Or will they unexpectedly finish in the lottery again?

Ottawa gets:
PTBNL

Philly gets:
Zaitsev
Ottawa's 1st 2023

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[Razor Face]

I could see paying to move Zaitsev as part of a bigger deal to upgrade defence, but I don't see Ottawa sending an unprotected first to get out of him at this point with training camp already started.

 

[McJedi]

Does Ottawa need the 2022 cap space? Seems too late for this deal for their purposes.

It’s reasonable cost as a 2 year dump but he’ll be a bit cheaper to dump next summer.

 

[ThankGord]

Don't the Flyers have Provorov and Sanheim on the left side ahead of York?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

This doesn't really make any sense from a Sens perspective. No rush to dump Zaitsev whatsoever, cost to dump will be lower next year, and regardless Sens aren't giving up a 1st.

I could see something around JVR with Ottawa giving up a 2nd pick or equivalent prospect. That's about it. And no, Philly doesnt need to get rid of JVR at all anymore... but Ottawa doesn't need to get rid of Zaitsev, either, and trading him next offseason should be much easier, especially after his bonus is paid.

Don't the Flyers have Provorov and Sanheim on the left side ahead of York?

Zaitsev is RD

 

[cwede]

don't see how its worth it to Ottawa to sacrifice a 1st,
they have ~$5M Cap Space, and just 1 unsigned player, who is coming off his ELC and destined for a bridge deal

i also don't think Zaitsev is a fit w Torts ...

 

[SpezDispenser]

A 1st in 2023? No thanks.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Ottawa has lots of cap space left heading into the season.

Ottawa already paid Zaitsev his 2M signing bonus this off-season. Zaitsev is now owed 2.5M real dollars for this season. People can debate if Zaitsev is worth 2.5M but with no free agents left to sign, the Sens having issues with their D and Zaitsev still fitting in as a top 6/7 Dman I don't see him going anywhere.

Ottawa will revisit dumping Zaitsev next off-season prior to collecting his next signing bonus.

 

[inthe6ix]

Don't the Flyers have Provorov and Sanheim on the left side ahead of York?

yup, then connauton

zaitsev is staying put

 

[FlyRoutine]

Flyers are swimming in LTIR, and I can't imagine they have any pretenses of winning this year. Might be nice to get a warm body ahead of York so he's not getting reamed by the best opposition players every night. No Couts will make for some lopsided possession.

Zaitsev has 2 years left at 4.5m. He's a bottom pairing defenceman on a most teams, maybe a 7-8 on a good team. The 1st would be a gamble - how much higher will OTT finish this year? Or will they unexpectedly finish in the lottery again?

Ottawa gets:
PTBNL

Philly gets:
Zaitsev
Ottawa's 1st 2023

Serious question. I swear.
You know the man they call "Chuck Fletcher"?

 

[UglyPuckling]

I could see paying to move Zaitsev as part of a bigger deal to upgrade defence, but I don't see Ottawa sending an unprotected first to get out of him at this point with training camp already started.

Does Ottawa need the 2022 cap space? Seems too late for this deal for their purposes.

It’s reasonable cost as a 2 year dump but he’ll be a bit cheaper to dump next summer.

I don't think Ottawa would be interested or motivated to do this. They still have about $5.7 million in cap space this year.

I think they will keep Zaitsev and give him easier minutes on the 3rd pair (might be spitting that role with other younger players as well). They can try to trade him again, either at the trade deadline this year, or in the upcoming offseason (might have to pay his signing bonus).

Had to look up PTBNL. Could have typed "future considerations" - not that hard.

 

[EddieTheEagle]

Send Zaits + 1st to Chicago for Murphy or someone with lower cost who has upside for the Sens. Please?

Can't see Philly doing this. Everyone in that organization seems to be fighting for their job and hasn't committed to a rebuild/tank. They'll try to win to survive this season, despite what they should do.

 

[RickyLafleur]

Sen's don't need the cap space, I would rather keep or waive him then give up a 1st in the deepest draft in years when we aren't even guaranteed to make the playoffs.

 

[Rebels57]

The Flyers also have a stupid lazy jackass as GM so he won't even weaponize the LTIR cap space to bring in assets. He's too f***ing useless.

 

[NyQuil]

There’s still a decent chance that Ottawa drafts relatively high next season.

I would hold on to that 1st rounder.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Seems like all responses have been the same (so far). Probably should close the thread as the premise in the OP wasn't well thought out.

 

[ThankGord]

Zaitsev is RD

True true, I was more responding to "Might be nice to get a warm body ahead of York so he's not getting reamed by the best opposition players every night."

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

True true, I was more responding to "Might be nice to get a warm body ahead of York so he's not getting reamed by the best opposition players every night."

Ah, makes sense.

Send Zaits + 1st to Chicago for Murphy or someone with lower cost who has upside for the Sens. Please?

Can't see Philly doing this. Everyone in that organization seems to be fighting for their job and hasn't committed to a rebuild/tank. They'll try to win to survive this season, despite what they should do.

I would do Zaitsev + 1st for Murphy, so long as that first is top 10 protected. Big fan of Murphy, though. Before the uncertainty around Formenton emerged, I was targeting Formenton + Zaistev for Murphy, and I would have valued Formenton around a mid 1st.

 

[EddieTheEagle]

Ah, makes sense.

I would do Zaitsev + 1st for Murphy, so long as that first is top 10 protected. Big fan of Murphy, though. Before the uncertainty around Formenton emerged, I was targeting Formenton + Zaistev for Murphy, and I would have valued Formenton around a mid 1st.

Done deal from this end. Hawks wouldn't do it with Form + Zaits, as the 1st just holds too much value to them, even top-10 protected.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Done deal from this end. Hawks wouldn't do it with Form + Zaits, as the 1st just holds too much value to them, even top-10 protected.

Makes sense. It is definitely a steep price to pay, as I am sure teams will get impact players all through the top 40 of this draft (and beyond). But I think Murphy would be an awesome addition.

What's your view of Murphy? Health, ability, projection, etc. I'd be lying if I said I've watched much of the Hawks these last few years, but my impression of Murph has always been really positive.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Ottawa just waits a year

 

[CanuckistanFlyerfan]

From a Flyers perspective this makes total sense.

So there's no way in hell Fletcher would do it.

 

[GCK]

Flyers are swimming in LTIR, and I can't imagine they have any pretenses of winning this year. Might be nice to get a warm body ahead of York so he's not getting reamed by the best opposition players every night. No Couts will make for some lopsided possession.

Zaitsev has 2 years left at 4.5m. He's a bottom pairing defenceman on a most teams, maybe a 7-8 on a good team. The 1st would be a gamble - how much higher will OTT finish this year? Or will they unexpectedly finish in the lottery again?

Ottawa gets:
PTBNL

Philly gets:
Zaitsev
Ottawa's 1st 2023

Lol

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I don't think Ottawa would be interested or motivated to do this. They still have about $5.7 million in cap space this year.

I think they will keep Zaitsev and give him easier minutes on the 3rd pair (might be spitting that role with other younger players as well). They can try to trade him again, either at the trade deadline this year, or in the upcoming offseason (might have to pay his signing bonus).

Had to look up PTBNL. Could have typed "future considerations" - not that hard.

please give away your 1st round pick

 

[Flukeshot]

From a Flyers perspective this makes total sense.

So there's no way in hell Fletcher would do it.

Yeah I think most Flyers fans would like to see this type of trade happen but don't believe it will.

Also doesn't make sense for Ottawa.