Confirmed with Link: Zadina signs 3 year extension (1.825 AAV)

[Al48]

I like the deal. While I don’t know the exact number, by eye the dude’s shooting percentage seems low, and maybe he finds a lucky streak like the one Nyquist year.

+/- 17 goals. I’m taking the plus that he finds a streak this year

 

[norrisnick]

I like the deal. While I don’t know the exact number, by eye the dude’s shooting percentage seems low, and maybe he finds a lucky streak like the one Nyquist year.

+/- 17 goals. I’m taking the plus that he finds a streak this year

His shooting % last season (6.5%) was less than half of that of our top 6 forwards (15.0% combined). One could argue his shooting rate is unsustainable...

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

His shooting % last season (6.5%) was less than half of that of our top 6 forwards (15.0% combined). One could argue his shooting rate is unsustainable...

One could also argue that he just sucks and that’s why his shooting percentage is so low.

 

[norrisnick]

One could also argue that he just sucks and that’s why his shooting percentage is so low.

One could. It's just a really weird argument to make when pre-draft his shot was one of his best assets and suddenly it's abysmal. There is something going on there. Players typically don't get worse as they develop. And by that I mean they typically don't suddenly get bad at something they were good at. Yes, they can appear worse as they move up in levels of hockey, but strengths should stay strengths. Particularly one that's not compete related like physicality, strong on the puck in traffic, checking, things like that. Stick/puck skills and shot don't typically go away. Even as players get old and the wheels fall off.

If he figures out his shot, that would open up the world for him.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

One could. It's just a really weird argument to make when pre-draft his shot was one of his best assets and suddenly it's abysmal. There is something going on there. Players typically don't get worse as they develop. And by that I mean they typically don't suddenly get bad at something they were good at. Yes, they can appear worse as they move up in levels of hockey, but strengths should stay strengths. Particularly one that's not compete related like physicality, strong on the puck in traffic, checking, things like that. Stick/puck skills and shot don't typically go away. Even as players get old and the wheels fall off.

If he figures out his shot, that would open up the world for him.

Players bust all the time though. There’s very few drafts where there isn’t a bust in the top 10 somewhere.

And maybe Zadina wasn’t scouted well enough by CSB or Detroit. There’s a reason he fell that year, and you have to believe he would have fallen even more if Holland didn’t think he was getting a bargain at #6.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Funny this buyout discussion already.

This is a contract not needed for a buyout at any case. You just waive him and keep extra 700k (burying penalty) on the books. No reason to extend caphit for extra years, even if they would be smaller. Our cap crunch will start at season 2024-25 at earliest, so we can carry many kind of extra until those days. Then all extra caphits should be clear, or it will affect for the success.

Jesus, I was just explaining why we would have a cap benefit in year 3 because he was very confused.

In no way was I discussing actually doing it, just that we can’t “walk away from the deal in year 3 for S’s and G’s any different than we can walk away from any other deal.

 

[norrisnick]

Players bust all the time though. There’s very few drafts where there isn’t a bust in the top 10 somewhere.

And maybe Zadina wasn’t scouted well enough by CSB or Detroit. There’s a reason he fell that year, and you have to believe he would have fallen even more if Holland didn’t think he was getting a bargain at #6.

No, I get that. Bust or no bust, that's almost beside the point. It's baffling to me that this guy completely lost his shot. Was there an un-reported wrist injury?

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

One could. It's just a really weird argument to make when pre-draft his shot was one of his best assets and suddenly it's abysmal. There is something going on there. Players typically don't get worse as they develop. And by that I mean they typically don't suddenly get bad at something they were good at. Yes, they can appear worse as they move up in levels of hockey, but strengths should stay strengths. Particularly one that's not compete related like physicality, strong on the puck in traffic, checking, things like that. Stick/puck skills and shot don't typically go away. Even as players get old and the wheels fall off.

If he figures out his shot, that would open up the world for him.

One of a guy’s best assets predraft against other kids might just turn out to not be that great an asset. There are such things as 4A players (it’s a baseball term for a guy who lights up triple A, but can’t hit big league pitching).

Lots of prospects end up that way. That they’re really really good in the A but their skill doesn’t translate to the higher league.

It could very well be that Zadina’s shot hasn’t changed but the ability of the D to interrupt it, the goalie to read it, and a million other things have changed such that his great shot is largely neutralized.

Like Pulkkinen as someone said. The Pulk-cannon was outstanding. He could crush the puck into next week. It also took him until next week to release the shot with any accuracy. But you sent him down to the AHL and he was a PPG player

 

[norrisnick]

One of a guy’s best assets predraft against other kids might just turn out to not be that great an asset. There are such things as 4A players (it’s a baseball term for a guy who lights up triple A, but can’t hit big league pitching).

Lots of prospects end up that way. That they’re really really good in the A but their skill doesn’t translate to the higher league.

It could very well be that Zadina’s shot hasn’t changed but the ability of the D to interrupt it, the goalie to read it, and a million other things have changed such that his great shot is largely neutralized.

Like Pulkkinen as someone said. The Pulk-cannon was outstanding. He could crush the puck into next week. It also took him until next week to release the shot with any accuracy. But you sent him down to the AHL and he was a PPG player

I mean, that makes sense in a way. But hockey is a bit more fluid as it's not a pure 1 v 1 as in baseball (hitter v pitcher). You'd think he'd have at least some success against the dregs of the league, you know? Missed d assignment, goalie being slow, something.

 

[RabidBadger]

I desperately want to go back in time and have sex with Salma Hayek circa From Dusk til Dawn.

That has as much chance of happening as an unprotected 1st that you’d have any interest in receiving for Bertuzzi.

Sex with current Salma Hayek will do just fine. No time machine needed for this lad.

Same rules apply regarding the unprotected 1st rounder though.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

No, I get that. Bust or no bust, that's almost beside the point. It's baffling to me that this guy completely lost his shot. Was there an un-reported wrist injury?

I don't think it was every at the level we had all thought it was. Even in the AHL he didn't display an elite shot.

 

[RRhoads]

Meh, I have seen flashes of his shot in the NHL. His problem is second guessing himself and not getting it off when he should. Always searching for that better angle, mostly resulting in a squared up goalie, and defensemen closed in on him.

 

[jaster]

A player’s shot does not exist in a vacuum. It can be affected by other variables, and that’s what’s happened to Zadina. His shot is good, but he has struggled to keep up with the pace of the NHL. This has effectively taken time and space away from him, which has minimized the opportunities for his shot to play up.

Until Zadina can adjust to the speed of the game and create more time and space for himself, in terms of him creating offense, he’s going to struggle to utilize his shot in a meaningful way. He’ll continue to be rushed, with shot opportunities that include bad angles and small windows.

 

[Gniwder]

His shooting % last season (6.5%) was less than half of that of our top 6 forwards (15.0% combined). One could argue his shooting rate is unsustainable...

I suggest you look at Helm's stats. Zadina is Helm with no hands or legs. A poor man's Gagner at best.

 

[Gniwder]

Meh, I have seen flashes of his shot in the NHL. His problem is second guessing himself and not getting it off when he should. Always searching for that better angle, mostly resulting in a squared up goalie, and defensemen closed in on him.

Thinks too slow for the NHL. Maybe more time and experience fixes that but I'm not counting on it.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Zadina just needs some confidenceᵀᴹ

and skill

I suggest you look at Helm's stats. Zadina is Helm with no hands or legs. A poor man's Gagner at best.

lmao, but hey you´re right!

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Nils Lundqvist from the rangers is requesting a trade. I say fudge it and send NYR Zadina over.

Either Lundqvist for Zadina straight up or both teams add prospects that might need a change of scenery.

Lundqvist + prospect

for

Zadina + prospect

Who would we add and who would we take?

 

[norrisnick]

Nils Lundqvist from the rangers is requesting a trade. I say fudge it and send NYR Zadina over.

Either Lundqvist for Zadina straight up or both teams add prospects that might need a change of scenery.

Lundqvist + prospect

for

Zadina + prospect

Who would we add and who would we take?

It's like 15yrs too late to trade with the Rangers for a Lundqvist.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

It's like 15yrs too late to trade with the Rangers for a Lundqvist.

Not really. The guy quite literally demanded a trade.

Former first-round pick Nils Lundkvist wants trade from Rangers

 

[norrisnick]

Ok, it's like 15yrs too late to WANT to trade with the Rangers for a Lundqvist.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Ok, it's like 15yrs too late to WANT to trade with the Rangers for a Lundqvist.

If you're thinking 15 years too late then you're thinking of the wrong Lundqvist.

Detroit needs RD depth. They have a ton of LD in the system that have a chance but after Anton Johansson who else at RD is worth a damn?

Lundqvist would be the 3rd pair RD but could end up a Sam Girard type in Detroit with regular ice. If he develops then he takes the 2nd pair RD spot from Hronek. I see this as a good gamble.

 

[norrisnick]

If you're thinking 15 years too late then you're thinking of the wrong Lundqvist.

Detroit needs RD depth. They have a ton of LD in the system that have a chance but after Anton Johansson who else at RD is worth a damn?

Lundqvist would be the 3rd pair RD but could end up a Sam Girard type in Detroit with regular ice. If he develops then he takes the 2nd pair RD spot from Hronek. I see this as a good gamble.

I mean sure. But grab him for a 3rd or 4th or something. Zadina is actually a real life player. The Rangers have a guy that wants out. Unless there's a bidding war it's not going to be stupid expensive.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I mean sure. But grab him for a 3rd or 4th or something. Zadina is actually a real life player. The Rangers have a guy that wants out. Unless there's a bidding war it's not going to be stupid expensive.

Both are struggling players from the same draft. And he's probably only a 3rd line winger in NYR just like he is here. Detroit can give the 3W spot to someone like Rasmussen who is better as a winger, or Berggren who is ready for a promotion.

 

[Preposterone]

Ok, it's like 15yrs too late to WANT to trade with the Rangers for a Lundqvist.

nils was the best PP qb outside of the NHL as a 19 year old. He aint no scrub

 

[norrisnick]

Can I really not have this quip without it being taken serious?

Yes, Nils would be a very solid pickup. (Not for Zadina)

Happy?

Or you know keep all three young wingers... We are not in a position where we can just toss away kids.

Both are struggling players from the same draft. And he's probably only a 3rd line winger in NYR just like he is here. Detroit can give the 3W spot to someone like Rasmussen who is better as a winger, or Berggren who is ready for a promotion.