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Zach Hyman “The Line King” !
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CanadasTeam
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Proof Smith not even mad at Hyman while in his kitchen.
ToMaLe
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This,
I hope the hell they never break up this 3rd line energy line, they are dominating. Said all along this is the perfect deployment of Hyman. This is the 3rd line that Keefe has been searching for. Babcock was too stubborn to try anything like that. This Leafs team are finally starting to look dominant in all areas of the team
yup thats exactly what i'd do. Hard to pass up 32 sheets for a guy like Hyman. And to be honest, I cant see any team giving him a 7 year deal in UFA. But even if he were to get 7 years in UFA it likely would not be anything more than 5AAV. so the difference is only 3 mill more over 1 less year. But regardless of it being 1 less year, Hyman likely will not be in a spot to sign another deal at that point in his career. So us being the only team that can offer 8 years, it just makes sense to do it. Purely for AAV reasons. Not like it will be hard to move a 4Mill contract 5 years from now if need be.
saffronleaf
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Hyman sitting in the paint and Smith just giving him a little shove... What a great moment.
Teeder Keon
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Smith was a broken man at that point , he couldn’t even muster a punch , it was so lame of , don’t know what you even call that shove ? I guess mlolololololol
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keonsbitterness
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I call it a "okay, you got the better of me" sign-of-respect shove.
I couldn't stand Hyman in his first season. So many great Matthews plays died on his stick.
Since then, the guy has become one of my favourite players. Works his ass off, has improved tremendously in every area of the game. I wouldn't hate the previously proposed 4x8 deal. He's an important part of the team
Since then, the guy has become one of my favourite players. Works his ass off, has improved tremendously in every area of the game. I wouldn't hate the previously proposed 4x8 deal. He's an important part of the team
Teeder Keon
Defeat does not rest lightly on their shoulders
He still needs to be on the first line .
Joe has played really well .
Marner and Mathews generate alot more zone time and chances with hyman.
Joe has played really well .
Marner and Mathews generate alot more zone time and chances with hyman.
Stephen
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I think we need to keep Hyman. He’s the Energizer Bunny and Swiss Army Knife all in one and we don’t have a lot of players like him. He makes everything work. That said he plays an abrasive game and is all motion all the time. At 29, I do worry about the hard mileage adding up. I would sign him for more dollars and less term, and hopefully we can transition him to a lower AAV contract on the next deal. I would just be worried the wheels fall off like with a Ladd or Okposo.
Mess
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Zach attack is the glue that holds the Leafs compete level to higher standards by his work effort of a nightly basis.
Any line he plays on, he makes it better and draws his linemates into the game, through his contagious and relentless puck hunting desires.
Any line he plays on, he makes it better and draws his linemates into the game, through his contagious and relentless puck hunting desires.
tmlms13
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See if he'll take a 1 year deal at a low number.
Then in the 2022 offseason when the ESPN deal kicks in and Kessel's 1.2 is gone give him that deal that starts with a 5 he probably wants now
Then in the 2022 offseason when the ESPN deal kicks in and Kessel's 1.2 is gone give him that deal that starts with a 5 he probably wants now
Gary Nylund
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That is the only concern with him for sure. I don't know about more dollars though, cap space might be a big issue depending of course on who our goalie is next season.
I'd be tempted to see if we can sign him for long term and I'd be willing to give him the tightest NMC in history in exchange for him signing cheap.
Jimmy Firecracker
Backcheck, Forecheck, Paycheque.
I wouldn’t want to go higher than a number that starts with 4 for Hyman’s next contract. I love the guy but hopefully he’ll value staying here and leave a bit of money on the table to continue being a Leaf.
I’m not worried about the money being there. We’re going to lose Andersen’s $5 million, and any TDL acquisition (which by all accounts the Leafs are going to do) for up front would likely see Kerfoot going the other way, and that player will likely be a rental so that’s another $3.5 million
I’m not worried about the money being there. We’re going to lose Andersen’s $5 million, and any TDL acquisition (which by all accounts the Leafs are going to do) for up front would likely see Kerfoot going the other way, and that player will likely be a rental so that’s another $3.5 million
Gary Nylund
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Isn't Dubas on record as saying he doesn't believe in rentals? I sure hope that's the way he feels, I'm not interested in rentals at all.
When healthy, we have a well balanced team. I'd be surprised if our D wasn't one of the 10 best in the league, we have offence to burn, Simmonds helps a ton in the toughness department so what do we need exactly?
An upgrade in goal, that's the only thing. And if we don't do it this season we'll want to take care of that in the off-season so ... we should save our assets in case we need them to fill the one hole on our roster that really does need filling.
Plus rentals are a bad idea in general for a team that plans on contending for the next decade or so. It's just so huge that we can be reasonably confident that we have Sandin, Robertson, hopefully Liljegren and hopefully someone else as well to make contributions in the coming years.
SeaOfBlue
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I am fine with rentals in this case because expansion becomes a consideration. We are not going to acquire a Rakell only to have to expose the guy, or have to expose someone else we would have otherwise wanted to protect. Plus if the rental price is reasonable, which is likely the only kind of trade Dubas will make, I am sure he does not mind doing it.
I don't think he is going to give up any great prospects or 1st/2nd round picks for rentals. I do think he will give up mid-tier prospects or mid-round picks to get them though. We have expendable guys we can use.
Jimmy Firecracker
Backcheck, Forecheck, Paycheque.
I'm not a fan of rentals but all signs point to Dubas and the Leafs looking at adding a forward based on reports from insiders from both Canadian networks and other media. Now maybe they're all way off and nothing comes to fruition with regards to a move up front, but most signs point to one happening.
I'm fine with a rental if we truly believe they can help us to the promise land. I just don't want to give up too significant of assets. And this year seems to be the best year to do it since so many teams quite simply aren't able to bring in new players or money due to ownership, and sellers will be cornered to either get nothing or settle for a package that's less than ideal. The only real premium asset I'd be willing to part with is our '21 first round pick, with Kerfoot to make money work, and a smattering of lesser picks and/or prospects, no one named Sandin, Robertson, Liljegren, or Amirov for sure.
Gary Nylund
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I hope you're right.
Realistically the best case scenario is that a rental increases our cup chances from 12 to 13% or something like that. And that's the problem with rentals right there and that's why I'd rather not invest a 1rd round pick, not in a year where our goaltending is a question mark and not when our cup window should be open for many years to come.
Zach will easily get 6m+ on the open market and Dubas would rather spend that on a higher end player.
Time to ride the contract year Zach train for all its worth until he dresses for another team. You can bet your bottom dollar he isn't sacrificing his body 24/7 for the remainder of that contract after he cashes in.
Time to ride the contract year Zach train for all its worth until he dresses for another team. You can bet your bottom dollar he isn't sacrificing his body 24/7 for the remainder of that contract after he cashes in.
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Stephen
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There's a certain upper limit on what it makes sense to pay Hyman. He's consistently punching above his value today but at $6 million on a long term deal you're running into a bit of a David Clarkson level risk. Hyman's work rate is what makes him special, so if he starts to decline with age as his athleticism dries up, runs into injury trouble, the underlying skill level isn't necessarily going to pick up the slack.
That said, a more highly skilled player may not give you the jack of all trades versatility that makes Hyman so valuable. Even if you signed Taylor Hall for $6 million, it's not a guarantee you get that Hart level play on a consistent basis, and you don't get all the nice Hyman intangibles.
The third issue is our organization doesn't really identify or develop these kind of heart and soul players at lower levels in great quantity, so it's not like we can replace this type of player very easily in house.
Tricky one.
Hyman love being a Toronto Maple Leaf.
His family is from here , the endorsements that are waiting for him won't be in other cities.
8 yrs @ 4 mil
And NHL teams are losing a ton of money
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