In order to win the Cup, you need to learn how to play in the playoffs. That's why yes, the Red Wings absolutely had to qualify for the postseason this year.
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In order to win the Cup, you need to learn how to play in the playoffs. That's why yes, the Red Wings absolutely had to qualify for the postseason this year.
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Top pairing minutes in GR, plays on both special teams units, that's exactly what the organization wants from their prospects in the AHL. You're setting yourself up for failure if you have to sign a mid d-man in free agency for 4 years at $5m or more per season.
Hutson is on pace for the fifth best offensive season of all time by a rookie dman and is a key part of a team that was supposed to be bad but is in a playoff spot, not sure that's a downgrade.
As no interest in just being content being there and bowing out quickly. Seider is a winner ... our problem is giving out a bunch of contracts to the same garbage players which a lot of ppl seemed to love at the time for god knows what reason
Copp,compher,tarasenko etc.. all these guys are bottom 6 bottom pair dmen and had 0 reason to get 3-5 yr deals. That’s the problem with this team not Seider
Cool I hope wallinder is a stud , not impressed with his offensive numbers and not sure he can be seider’s partner. I see him as a 3rd pairing guy
Free agency is what’s killed this team cause we gave bad contracts. Romanov and Miller aren’t free agents so I don’t know where you think I said it was what’s needed. If the right players make free agency sure but don’t just sign just anyone and longterm
If we could get Tavares 2 yrs 16 mill I’d do it cause it’s 2 yrs and we can afford to do it now. He loves Toronto so he won’t leave and will take 5 mil x 4 probably. I’d give Marchand same deal but again why would he love Florida now for Detroit ?
Trades and free agency is the only choice for us atm unless you want to pay a ridiculous sum for an ehlers who’s always injured
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Never said Wallinder would play alongside Seider, just said he's playing top mins for GR.
I don’t want to see Yzerman sign anymore aging or mediocre vets. Instead, I think Yzerman should focus on three things right now:
1) bringing up the youth to get experience and get as high a draft pick as possible. Then draft the highest offensive potential forward available.
2) trade for Bowen Byram. I’d definitely be willing to part with Danielson and/or MBN here.
3) try to sign Marner.
These three things would help in moving the rebuild in a better direction. Then we can move to get the dead weight off the roster.
1) bringing up the youth to get experience and get as high a draft pick as possible. Then draft the highest offensive potential forward available.
2) trade for Bowen Byram. I’d definitely be willing to part with Danielson and/or MBN here.
3) try to sign Marner.
These three things would help in moving the rebuild in a better direction. Then we can move to get the dead weight off the roster.
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I don't want to see more mediocre vet plugs either but at the end of the day ever season our prospect pool matures another year. We could get 2-3 more impact rookies next season. I think Yzerman is done with the plug singings but we'll see. I don't know if this will be the off season he goes all in but I have a strong feeling he will make some impact moves. Crossing fingers for a top 10 draft pick.
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I agree SY will do what he thinks is best for the team, he will have options, but the FA frenzy with the rising cap is likely to be simply insane I fear.
I do think that he trades for a youngish D-man if he can, maybe he revisits the Buffalo rumor that involved Byram for Chiarot and JB (originally I believe was JV or JB, but JV is now gone). Hague might be a better target than Pionk (I think he is rightly playing on his off wing) unless they are going to try Al-Jo with Mo.
I can't see SY dumping too many yutes until they get a real good idea on them, unless someone overpays for them.
Should be interesting next season once T-Mc gets a full pre-season with the team, but yeah, expecting a rather quiet off season this summer too, other than removing any of the parts Todd does not want.
How many players aren’t in the NHL in their D+5 and putting up okay but not great AHL numbers end up being anywhere good enough to be top pair or even top 4D in the NHL?
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You must not have seen him play defense. If Hughes and Makar are the Coffey and Bourque of this generation, then Hutson might be the Phil Housley. Seider would be the Chelios.
NHL Most Points Rookie Defenceman Season | StatMuse
Right now he’s at 14th best rookie season in part because Makar and Hughes had theirs during the Covid shortened season. It’s impressive that he’s only the 4th defenseman since 1992-93 to get 50+ points in a rookie season. Mo Seider was the 3rd.
I’ll take the all around defenseman over the offensive D that feasts on mismatches and bad teams.
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Gonna add to this, that we have maximized our most valuable draft capital to probably the best we really could have realistically done, so far. We have built the team with our own assets and grown them to be what carries us. I think it's much more resourceful doing that than having to overswing on useful players in trades or Free Agency to carry your franchise
You sacrifice cap leverage by locking down players for money and term when they may just be another square peg in a round hold type of player for your franchise
It's like how Tarasenko has been for us this year. Sometimes these players just don't work out or flat out crash and burn (Loui Eriksson in Vancouver). At least Tank's only got one more year on his contract and we don't have to suffer with carrying him around for long, if at that. JTC has at least shown us he can fit like last season. If this season was the start of a decline at age 29, then I'll eat crow I guess
Like you said.. We have strong control of our future cap situation, and plenty of talent growing and ready to burst onto the big club. As well as depth in our prospect pool and our remaining draft picks
The next year and a bit will be big for us. Patience remains, but we are finally beginning to really experience see the fruits of our labor
You think AJ is playing anywhere near a top 4 or top pair on a playoff team this season? Please point to who
He plays over 20 minutes a game but sure all his production is due to mismatches and bad teams lol. And he is not just a 50+ point rookie dman (and Seider has yet to hit 50 pts again ), he will be a 60+ pt dman in his rookie year and is at the same pace as Quinn Hughes was in his rookie year, but I guess a guy like Ekholm is better than Hughes because he's bigger and better defensively.
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I think he has a good chance to "end up" being a top 4 guy, which is what you initially asked for. You didn't ask "how many become top 4 or top pair on a playoff team in their rookie season".
Gustav Forsling is the obvious example of one that's already proven it's possible.
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Hutson is 8th in defense scoring and has more than 65% of his starts in the O-zone with only a corsi for of 50.7%. xGF/60 of 2.9 and xGA/60 of 2.88. He’s not the guy taking tough matchups on his team. That’s David Savard.
Seider is tied for 19th in defense scoring and has to carry Chiarot and only has 45.9% of his starts in the o-zone. Seider’s cf% is 50.1%. xGF/60 of 2.29 xGA/60 of 2.42. He is Detroit’s shutdown defender AND top scoring D. If he wasn’t tied to trash and forced to take every tough matchup because an ECHL level 3rd pairing you’d see Seider closer to the top 10 in defense scoring.
If you think Hutson is a better defenseman than Seider based only on point totals then I don’t know what to tell you.
I think he's a better player not just based on points this season, but because it's his rookie season and he has shown he is much better offensively than Seider. In year 4, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 80-90 points. Again, this is just his rookie year and he's putting up these numbers .
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Feels like you're trolling, but fact is if Hutson wasn't producing offensively he wouldn't be in the NHL. Scoring ~10 more points than Seider did as a rookie is almost nothing considering how much less valuable he is in all other areas. It's not much different than the people who argued in favor of Zegras during that rookie season. The offensive advantage simply isn't big enough to warrant ignoring all the weaknesses, and time has shown that to be true. Hutson might become an 80-90 point d-man. But when ALL other outcomes than the absolute max lands him as a less valuable player it's a big gamble to put your money on.
Yes it’s possible. The odds are incredibly low. And unless AJ seriously bulks up, he’s not going to be a top 4 on a contender.
Forsling was already in the NHL in his D+3, so that example doesn’t even work.
Going 2g/16pts in 52 games in your D+5 im the AHL is very concerning if you’re hoping for a top 4 D, or slotting him next to Seider
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That’s not terrible numbers for a guy lower in the lineup that wasn’t expected to produce a ton. Especially when you see he was paired with Gus or Holl for minimal minutes early in the season.
We never expected AlJo to be a huge point producer. Maybe 25-30 points at max in his prime. Regularly 20-25 and good in his end and in transition. That’s about what he’s doing since being paired with Ed.
He’s a rookie. And he’s been good so far as a complementary piece to Edvinsson, even outplaying Ed in several games. Let’s review him after a full season as a #4/5 guy.
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Forsling wasn't a full-time NHLer until his d+5.
And he was a full-time AHLer in his d+6, putting up 5 goals and 17 points.
Jake Walman had 13 points in his d+5 in the AHL.
Nick Jensen had 9 points in his d+5 in the AHL.
Whatever the odds are, these things happen. And we've already seen Johansson perform at a very good level. Caveating everything with "on a contender" is kind of meaningless to me, because I actually think it's EASIER to insert guys into roles on a contender. Like, do you think Johansson would look worse next to Heiskanen or better? Would Kasper struggle more surrounded by McDavid than by Kane? Yeah, I wouldn't expect Wallinder or Johansson to form the backbone of a contending d-core, but as complimentary guys? I can see it.
