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DanielMarois said:
Well I think Hutson is more than just a slight improvement, but why are you assuming Chiarot has to be on the top pair again next year?
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Imo you're focusing too much on offense if you think he's a significant improvement.

As for what the top pairing would be, it's simplifiying the hypothetical. We already know Edvinsson-Seider (for example) is an elite top pairing, so it hardly seems as though Seider is the weak link there.
 
Winger98 said:
I think you followed correctly, I just jump around a bit. I'm saying I expect a ho-hum offseason because the moves we really want to see - the trade for the youngish top half of the lineup forward or D - don't happen very often. Maybe he'll sign a UFA or two, and that'll push us to trade a player or two away, but I won't be surprised if there aren't a bunch of high profile moves.

I expect our biggest additions to be kids. ASP in for Holl, Mazur and maybe Buch to the top9.
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Certainly if ASP can show he can adapt on the fly to smaller ice, he will be on the wings out of camp and I think Mazur is most likely going to be on the roster as well.

I suspect you can toss Tuo in over Holl (buried in GR if not bought out) for 7D, pencil in Danielson for next year over Buch (although, I can see him coming over, especially if Kane is not back) and I would be greatly surprised if MBN is not in the lineup full time by Christmas if not out of camp.

Cossa will be a frequent tender (maybe FT by the TDL) as between the two aging vets, there will be injuries, if they sign Trey this spring, maybe Cossa is up sooner next season.

T-Mc will want a team to be able to play his style from the outset (no riders). There will be learning pain, but I think they will be a more complete team in 2025/26.

I don't think Todd will refrain from filling the bench with with kids that are ready to contribute.

I suspect the only UFA that might be back is Kane if he wants (I have seen him block more shots in the past few games than all of the rest season) and possible Smith on a 2-Way or a placeholder for MBN.

I think SY will sign all of the current roster RFAs (and then trade JB) and keep Al-Jo and Elmer. Any open spots will be available for Griffs that will paly T-Mc's way...(kids or vets)

We will see what the real wings starting to shape from the outset next year as the young core starts to solidify.
 
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I think MBN being part of the team next year is a bit optimistic. Didn't have a great year in Sweden and we have several other young guys that are probably more ready.

Danielson and Mazur are both more likely to be up and even Buchelnikov is a better bet. Cossa will be the third guy called up from GR if Talbot/Mrazek gets injured unless he clearly beats one of them out in training camp.

The defense is a question mark. I don't think we have a prospect that is ready to come in and take over as Seider's partner on the first pairing so a trade or FA signing there feels like the best option.

As it stands right now, the roster spots we have opening up due to expiring contracts are Kane (he's back hopefully), Smith (probably not, but whatever), and Petry (gone). We all hope Yzerman can clear out Tarasenko, Holl, one of Copp/Compher, etc. but three rookies is probably about the max we can reasonably expect coming out of camp next season.
 
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DangerMouse said:
I think MBN being part of the team next year is a bit optimistic. Didn't have a great year in Sweden and we have several other young guys that are probably more ready.

Danielson and Mazur are both more likely to be up and even Buchelnikov is a better bet. Cossa will be the third guy called up from GR if Talbot/Mrazek gets injured unless he clearly beats one of them out in training camp.

The defense is a question mark. I don't think we have a prospect that is ready to come in and take over as Seider's partner on the first pairing so a trade or FA signing there feels like the best option.

As it stands right now, the roster spots we have opening up due to expiring contracts are Kane (he's back hopefully), Smith (probably not, but whatever), and Petry (gone). We all hope Yzerman can clear out Tarasenko, Holl, one of Copp/Compher, etc. but three rookies is probably about the max we can reasonably expect coming out of camp next season.
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Perhaps, but there were people here who suggested Berggren was more ready that Raymond a few years back. That turned out to be wildly inaccurate.
 
A guy that quietly plays a physical game and loggs 20 productive mins consistently is LHD Neal Pionk. Gonna have to pay up though somewhere around 6-8 years. A lot around here would be uncomfortable I think with the term/number.

With one year on their deals this summer, Gustafsson and Tarasenko are easy buyout options. Copps still productive in the face-off department, and not that it was good before, but I got to believe the PK really went off the rails when he went down with injury (idk I haven't been watching). I'm not looking for Yzerman to sell off Compher/Copp this summer vs buyout guys for nothing but a little money.

Forwards look ROUGH in FA, you'll have to overpay for a guy like Ryan Danato or Christian Dvorak. A SINGLUAR trade for a guy you like from another team that needs to be paid, etc, makes more sense to me vs going out in the UFA market and bringing in a guy long-term. Especially with maybe three guys knocking on the door anyways with limited roster spots (Mazur/Buch/Danielson/Lombardi)

This is the moment, (like last year) where a GM/organization actually have to be good and target the RIGHT players. The team/roster isn't so bad to where you can sign anyone, and they'll be considered and "upgrade". Teams got enough talent now to where the job isn't easy and on auto pilot anymore.
 
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DanielMarois said:
Well I think Hutson is more than just a slight improvement, but why are you assuming Chiarot has to be on the top pair again next year?
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Seider is way more valuable than Hutson, IMO.

Plus we have ASP who has a pretty good shot at being a similar player to Hutson.

From a long term POV I think we are sitting better on the back end than like 90% of most teams.
 
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Winger98 said:
I think you followed correctly, I just jump around a bit. I'm saying I expect a ho-hum offseason because the moves we really want to see - the trade for the youngish top half of the lineup forward or D - don't happen very often. Maybe he'll sign a UFA or two, and that'll push us to trade a player or two away, but I won't be surprised if there aren't a bunch of high profile moves.

I expect our biggest additions to be kids. ASP in for Holl, Mazur and maybe Buch to the top9.
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I understand not everything is in your control, but I think signing one of Provorov/Chyrchrun/Gavrikov has to be a huge priority. And then there are some decent forward options like Ehlers.

I don't think we can have another off-season where our biggest signing as far as newcomers is Erik Gustafson.

That crap is not gonna fly. And I think the excuse of not being a UFA destination is becoming a bit of a cop-out.
 
LongTimeDRWF said:
Certainly if ASP can show he can adapt on the fly to smaller ice, he will be on the wings out of camp and I think Mazur is most likely going to be on the roster as well.

I suspect you can toss Tuo in over Holl (buried in GR if not bought out) for 7D, pencil in Danielson for next year over Buch (although, I can see him coming over, especially if Kane is not back) and I would be greatly surprised if MBN is not in the lineup full time by Christmas if not out of camp.

Cossa will be a frequent tender (maybe FT by the TDL) as between the two aging vets, there will be injuries, if they sign Trey this spring, maybe Cossa is up sooner next season.

T-Mc will want a team to be able to play his style from the outset (no riders). There will be learning pain, but I think they will be a more complete team in 2025/26.

I don't think Todd will refrain from filling the bench with with kids that are ready to contribute.

I suspect the only UFA that might be back is Kane if he wants (I have seen him block more shots in the past few games than all of the rest season) and possible Smith on a 2-Way or a placeholder for MBN.

I think SY will sign all of the current roster RFAs (and then trade JB) and keep Al-Jo and Elmer. Any open spots will be available for Griffs that will paly T-Mc's way...(kids or vets)

We will see what the real wings starting to shape from the outset next year as the young core starts to solidify.
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You articulated this far better than I have been able to. I don't want to close the door on us doing some shopping or dealing, but this is the path I see as way more likely. And it's one I would be excited to see if the Wings actually embrace shoving a bunch of kids into the lineup. I do like @Snuggs suggestion of going after Pionk.

With the number and quality of prospects the Wings have, they have some nice wiggle room for how they want to approach the summer.

Frk It said:
I understand not everything is in your control, but I think signing one of Provorov/Chyrchrun/Gavrikov has to be a huge priority. And then there are some decent forward options like Ehlers.

I don't think we can have another off-season where our biggest signing as far as newcomers is Erik Gustafson.

That crap is not gonna fly. And I think the excuse of not being a UFA destination is becoming a bit of a cop-out.
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I think we're more likely to sign a D than a forward. Looking at the trade board here and a lot of people seem pretty comfortable saying Ehlers is going to pull $10 million with a longer term. I would guess Boeser would be similar. I don't think they are guys Yzerman will be really interested in, especially given his comments about wanting to get tougher to play against, and us having a bunch of forwards prospects right on the cusp of making it.

I'm expecting something far closer to what @LongTimeDRWF outlines above. And if that happens, I'm not going to complain about it. I think it would make for an exciting season seeing a bunch of kids establishing themselves.
 
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Winger98 said:
And it's one I would be excited to see if the Wings actually embrace shoving a bunch of kids into the lineup. I do like @Snuggs suggestion of going after Pionk.
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I'm all for more kids into the lineup.
Winger98 said:
I think we're more likely to sign a D than a forward.
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If they do, they need to hit on that d-man.
From speaking to some Jets-fans, Pionk doesn't seem to be that solution long term.
 
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Pionk would be a nice addition.

He’s probably going to get 6-7 years while turning 30 this summer. Probably 6-7 aav as well. I’m just guessing .

I’m iffy on paying him that. If I can get him for 4-5 years and 6.5 aav I would probably jump on it.
 
Winger98 said:
You articulated this far better than I have been able to. I don't want to close the door on us doing some shopping or dealing, but this is the path I see as way more likely. And it's one I would be excited to see if the Wings actually embrace shoving a bunch of kids into the lineup. I do like @Snuggs suggestion of going after Pionk.

With the number and quality of prospects the Wings have, they have some nice wiggle room for how they want to approach the summer.



I think we're more likely to sign a D than a forward. Looking at the trade board here and a lot of people seem pretty comfortable saying Ehlers is going to pull $10 million with a longer term. I would guess Boeser would be similar. I don't think they are guys Yzerman will be really interested in, especially given his comments about wanting to get tougher to play against, and us having a bunch of forwards prospects right on the cusp of making it.

I'm expecting something far closer to what @LongTimeDRWF outlines above. And if that happens, I'm not going to complain about it. I think it would make for an exciting season seeing a bunch of kids establishing themselves.
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10 mill for ehlers and boeser? LOL GM's who give them that should be fired on the spot
 
Based on the latest Max Bultman article, Dan Watson made it sounds like Wallinder could be in Detroit next season. If he's ready that would give Detroit a solid home-grown top 4:

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I actually think Yzerman has the organization in an excellent position moving forward. Has he been perfect? No, but despite that this team is well built for a long term competitive timeline.

- Larkin Ray and Seider locked up on good value contracts
- Kasper and Edvinsson are looking like legit top half of the lineup kind of players.
- More than 21 Million in cap space with no critical free agents (probably needs to keep or replace Kane to progress this thing).
- One of the best prospect pools in the league.
- A couple extra draft picks to wheel and deal.

This year might be a lateral move/step back but in the grand scheme I believe he has made a lot of progress and has laid an excellent foundation to be a competitive team moving forward.

I appreciate its been a slow burn but this team is well positioned for big things imo. While I would like to see Yzerman get aggressive this summer (and even this past trade deadline) I disagree with the urgency that some express.

This team has been knocking on the playoff door two years in a row while its most important players are either locked up on good contracts or have 4+ years of RFA control. That’s a good thing in my opinion. We’re close, set up well for the long term and Yzerman has both the room and ammunition to add.

Yzerman should be looking to make an aggressive move to bolster this rebuild. His picks and prospects should all be in play for a top 6 forward/top 3 D/Long term starter.

The thing is, I’m okay with this big swing happening any time over the next year or so. This draft/mid next season/2026 TDL/2026 offseason are all reasonable timelines for a big move to bolster the long term trajectory of this rebuild.

Yzerman should be aggressive at every opportunity to add a top player but I don’t think he should irresponsibly overpay.

Offer Marner 14 mil? Sure.
Shop a mid round pick to offload Gus/Holl/Tank? Go for it.
Bundle a 1st + Berggren/Soderblom + 2nd + a top prospect (exclude Danielson/ASP unless we’re talking about a superstar/bonafide young 1st liner)? I’m all in.

I see those as aggressive moves that are worthwhile. The problem is Marner might not take our money or a team like Utah might offer Max Salary. It might cost a 2nd or more to unload one of those contracts (Holl/Gus/Tank) which is too much imo. A team like the sharks/Ducks/etc might offer a better/more attractive package for that star player we want (Zegras/McTavish + a better 1st + Sennecke + a better 2nd).

For those reasons plus the good long term foundation I believe it’s important to understand the big swing might not and does not need to happen this summer.

I’d love to sign Marner for 14ish aav. I’d love to package a 1st + Danielson + for Kyle Connor. I’d like to see someone like Chychrun/Provorov signed but you also have to accept that your offer might not work out. This is why I’m okay with the big move being at the 2026 TDL/2026 offseason as well.

You dont always get what you want. That’s called real life. Stay patient, stay aggressive but don’t overreact.
 
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Run the Jewels said:
Based on the latest Max Bultman article, Dan Watson made it sounds like Wallinder could be in Detroit next season. If he's ready that would give Detroit a solid home-grown top 4:

Ed-Mo
Wally-ASP
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I'd hope so , hes 23 if hes not there hes a failure.... our problem is getting rid of holl gustafsson and if it we're possible chiarot

Much rather target like a romanov/miller to be seider's pairing dman and be a piece of the future longterm .... maybe we somehow land Schaeffer although that could cause headaches cap wise if pellika is also a star as we hope

Anyways we need to subtract some pieces and stop adding patchwork before we waste seider and Raymond's current contract years
 
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