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Yzerman is Telling You His Philosophy if You Listen

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Coach Reggie Dunlop said:
Well seeing Montreal in the playoffs while they don’t even have demidov yet, seeing the senators making it, and Buffalo potentially about to get another top 2 pick, it’s hard not to be frustrated with yzerman. He simply has not done a good enough job compared to the other teams around us in Montreal and the sens, and I don’t know why people can’t admit that.
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Eh. Ottawa’s traded a bunch of picks and has absolutely nothing in the pipeline. They should be a playoff team or blow it up.
Montreal reminds me of us last season. Just seems like an overperforming team.

I would not swap our roster+pipeline for either of theirs. I do like Montreal’s veteran depth pieces a lot more than ours.
 
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RedWingzz said:
Tarasenko, Holl, Gustafsson and Chiarot are all under contract next season.

Also you failed to mention the goaltending. Right now on paper we have an inconsistent Mrazek, who makes highlight reel saves, and then follows that up with a complete muffin...and a washed up Cam Talbot, who is not a good goalie and couldnt stop a beach ball right now.

I don't care what the team looks like, a Mrazek and Talbot tandem equals a 10 year playoff drought. Period.
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This is part of the problem. We lost Ghost because he wouldn't give him a third year and yet we're stuck with all these guys? Supposedly traded Walman and gave away a draft pick in the process after he unexplicably disappeared at the end of last season and attributed it to cap room. There wasn't any of the guys listed that when they were acquired made me think, wow, good signing. Same with Petry. Still bewildered by the Mrazek trade.
 
I think Montreal pulling ahead is a big issue for two reasons. First, it makes Yzerman look bad that a divisional rival which started the rebuild after is ahead now and second if they have arrived then that just makes making the playoffs much tougher even in the next 2-3 years with Tor, Fla, TB, Ott, and MTL.
 
DanielMarois said:
I think Montreal pulling ahead is a big issue for two reasons. First, it makes Yzerman look bad that a divisional rival which started the rebuild after is ahead now and second if they have arrived then that just makes making the playoffs much tougher even in the next 2-3 years with Tor, Fla, TB, Ott, and MTL.
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We were ahead last season and last month. Maybe ahead next month or next season again. Too much overreactions.
 
lidstromiscool said:
Exactly, rebuilding for this long to be a Nashville/Minnesota level team would be a massive letdown, which is why a number of fans are losing patience. We'd be a lot closer to building a contender if we'd been tanking the past few years instead of trying to be the best team that misses the playoffs. We'd have less dead weight contracts too. And I dont wanna hear about that leading to a losing culture or any of that, we have the 2nd longest playoff drought, we've had a losing culture for years.
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datsyukfan said:
Can’t argue with this
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replying to your own sock account? bruh..
 
Why in the world do people think we could make a deal that would spur Marner to sign with us?

1 He is not worth a max deal. 2 that is the only way we could convince him with a 16m 8 year deal and that is only if all he cares about is money. 3 We cannot guarantee a consistent playoff spot if he cares about winning.

So you all want to set yourselves up for disappointment? Just so you can whine all off season about how Steve sucks at gm because the team has no pull to draw the top UFA'S?
 
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odin1981 said:
Why in the world do people think we could make a deal that would spur Marner to sign with us?

1 He is not worth a max deal. 2 that is the only way we could convince him with a 16m 8 year deal and that is only if all he cares about is money. 3 We cannot guarantee a consistent playoff spot if he cares about winning.

So you all want to set yourselves up for disappointment? Just so you can whine all off season about how Steve sucks at gm because the team has no pull to draw the top UFA'S?
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So we shouldn’t try or want Marner? Also you have no idea what Marner does or doesn’t want unless you know him personally
 
odin1981 said:
There is only 1-2 player's in the league worth a max deal and their last names aren't Marner.
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It’s FA you overpay. I would rather overpay an elite player than sit here and overpay shit players and still have little to no elite players. I also don’t think you have to pay Marner 16 mill to get him.
 
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datsyukfan said:
It’s FA you overpay. I would rather overpay an elite player than sit here and overpay shit players and still have little to no elite players. I also don’t think you have to pay Marner 16 mill to get him.
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I agree. If marner hits FA then Stevie has got to be willing to overpay to get him. I would pay 14 or 15 million because we lack an elite scoring forward besides Raymond. Those don't grow on trees. We have the cap. And cap will be rising anyway. But more than just the money Yzerman will have to sell marner the plan, the vision, the direction. Maybe have a guy like patty kane reach out to marner. We need a big win this off-season and getting marner would be that.

Then offload chiarot, holl, gustufson and that's another solid start.
 
datsyukfan said:
It’s FA you overpay. I would rather overpay an elite player than sit here and overpay shit players and still have little to no elite players. I also don’t think you have to pay Marner 16 mill to get him.
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If we're offering $13m, not sure it makes a big difference to pay him $16m. If Marner hits free agency, it's really just going to be a question of where he wants to be because I bet most of the offers will be pretty similar. Us being an original 6 team, within 4 hours driving of his home town, and having a media environment that won't make his life hell are the things working in our favor I would think.

Working against us...cap going up and more competitive teams being able to throw similar deals at him.
 
I really struggle to see a world where Marner signs in Detroit. Every other team in the league in the same position as the Wings will offer the same thing, and I think the last few years of FA results speaks to the general outlook of players when it comes to this team.

If we're gonna get a top ten pick then fine, I'm a big boy and can stomach that--especially if I remind myself of how I didn't think this was a playoff team at the beginning of the year anyway. What I really need to feel comfortable with Yzerman is a legit attempt to make the roster better by removing some--doesn't have to be all--of the players that fans, broadcasters, and hopefully the management knows are failures in the lineup.
 
Chris Langlois said:
I agree. If marner hits FA then Stevie has got to be willing to overpay to get him. I would pay 14 or 15 million because we lack an elite scoring forward besides Raymond. Those don't grow on trees. We have the cap. And cap will be rising anyway. But more than just the money Yzerman will have to sell marner the plan, the vision, the direction. Maybe have a guy like patty kane reach out to marner. We need a big win this off-season and getting marner would be that.

Then offload chiarot, holl, gustufson and that's another solid start.
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I mean the thing is is that the plan isn’t crazy hard to sell. If you look at the players coming in starting next year and the couple years after that they have the makings of being a really deep team with a potential elite goalie (or 2). They just don’t have that elite scorer. Even the defense with an addition can be a solid group. Seider, Ed, ASP, vet top 4, Jo. It’s a group that can be good very quickly.

The one thing they can give Marner that Toronto cant is him being the #1 guy.
 
Winger98 said:
I don't know. If we're drafting top10 this year, the price to move it should be really high. And the type of move I think we're wanting to see don't happen all that often any way.
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Maybe I wasn’t following the discussion correctly.

I just thought you were saying we might have another ho-hum off-season with regards to upgrading the team. I didn’t know we were talking about potentially trading a top 10 pick.

If we go into next season where we are debating about whether we upgraded the team or not, I will be concerned.
 
Frk It said:
Maybe I wasn’t following the discussion correctly.

I just thought you were saying we might have another ho-hum off-season with regards to upgrading the team. I didn’t know we were talking about potentially trading a top 10 pick.

If we go into next season where we are debating about whether we upgraded the team or not, I will be concerned.
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Have you looked at the UFA list? It really isn't very good. The absolute best case scenario would most likely being one of Holl/Tarasenko gets bought out if we have one opening up.

Then you will see 1-2 bottom 6 or third pairing stop gaps signed and 1-3 spots being left for kids to fill in.

When Cossa, ASP, and probably Danielson are on the team after about a year of seeing what they have in them is when you will see a more aggressive approach to filling in what isn't covered by the prospects graduating. However they will have to get a playoff berth or two to having any hope to get more than the average cast off UFA that they have been attracting in the last 4-6 year's.
 
minimal said:
I really struggle to see a world where Marner signs in Detroit. Every other team in the league in the same position as the Wings will offer the same thing, and I think the last few years of FA results speaks to the general outlook of players when it comes to this team.
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Perhaps he looks at our defense and he's like:

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Frk It said:
Maybe I wasn’t following the discussion correctly.

I just thought you were saying we might have another ho-hum off-season with regards to upgrading the team. I didn’t know we were talking about potentially trading a top 10 pick.

If we go into next season where we are debating about whether we upgraded the team or not, I will be concerned.
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I think you followed correctly, I just jump around a bit. I'm saying I expect a ho-hum offseason because the moves we really want to see - the trade for the youngish top half of the lineup forward or D - don't happen very often. Maybe he'll sign a UFA or two, and that'll push us to trade a player or two away, but I won't be surprised if there aren't a bunch of high profile moves.

I expect our biggest additions to be kids. ASP in for Holl, Mazur and maybe Buch to the top9.
 
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DanielMarois said:
Except it looks like MTL has two prospects/rookies in Hutson/Demidov who are better than anything Det has from its players/prospects
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If Detroit can pick 2 of the following trade options next season, which ones do you think would upgrade the team the most?

A: Seider for Hutson (1 for 1)
B: Chiarot for Matheson (1 for 1)
C: Raymond for Demidov (1 for 1)
D: Talbot for Montembeault (1 for 1)
 
Pavels Dog said:
Chiarot-Hutson top pairing huh?

Kinda crazy to me but we all have different view on hockey teams. To me, it makes a bigger difference to massively improve the weakest link than to slightly improve the strongest link.
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Well I think Hutson is more than just a slight improvement, but why are you assuming Chiarot has to be on the top pair again next year?
 
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