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Axel Sandy Pelikan said:
Like I understand what Yzerman is doing. And honestly, if it were any other goalie in the league, I'd be there with him. Lock up a known quantity because you think the market will suck. But I truly think that Petr Mrazek is going to be one of the worst production/value adds that could have been made for 2025-26. Like we'll look back at the year at the end of it and been like "Wow, Mrazek was shit and made $4M."

I functionally do not see the difference between bringing in Mrazek now with the extra year as a positive and signing a guy like Dan Vladar or Kappo Kahkonen or even a James Reimer retread. At least those guys would be making $1-2M instead of 4. I just soured immeasurably on Mrazek during his time here and nothing I've seen in any of his stops has done anything to change my opinion of him. He's a complete rollercoaster who doesn't even have the Top Thrill Dragster heights to his game anymore. He'll have a good game and then a blowout. That's.... okay when you're vacilating between 15 stops on Ovechkin in a 1-0 win and giving up 4 to the 2015 Dallas Stars. Not so much when your good games start being two goal games and the bad are Mra7ek.
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Maybe SY wants him because he is pretty sure he will get through waivers next year with that contract and can be the new old pro in GR for Carter and maybe Trey?

Pretty sure Allen is not going to be a good #3 plan when Cossa comes up...and Lyon will be looking for a long term deal.

The season after next maybe Trey and Carter are the new #2 and #3, if not, SY will get another season to get ready for it.
 
Again with the same BS. We have listened. We hear his philosophy. We just think it’s a shit philosophy when the product on the ice has been surpassed by our competition in a shorter time frame, and when the moves he has made have been abysmal players as opposed to finding value with guys like Kovacevic.

Jsut because you say you have a plan doesn’t mean your plan is immune from criticism. If he did nothing. Thats one thing. But he added a terrible goalie with a terrible contract for no real reason. It speaks to the plan being a shit plan.
 
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When Yzerman spent all off-season contemplating Mo and Ray contracts and doing nothing else I saw his strategy right there. The lack of shopping Walman properly cost us - Yzerman and staff above all else are lazy and I'm unimpressed - stick to your strategy, see how long the fans put up with it until they are fed up and someone else can begin the proper tear down and rebuild - I'm done with you Yzerman and your Yzerplan.
 
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I think he’s drafted well. One big issue is never picking at or near the very top of the draft. But compare Steve’s drafts to Holland picking Zadina over Hughes, a move that will hurt the team every game for a couple decades. Steve has even gotten us some good picks out of late rounds, we just aren’t getting to pick first or second over all.

I think he walked into a situation in which the team had not drafted a superstar goalie since the 1990s nor signed or traded for a superstar goalie in about 20 years. Steve right away got us some great prospects for net. Unfortunately goalies normally take a relatively long time to develop.

As for the deadline move, I think an 11th place team can’t afford to give up anyone nor will an 11th place team interest any real game-changing players at the trade deadline. I guess if he wants to, he can now take the better of Talbot or Mrazek though it’s really splitting hairs. If he’s thinking about trading for a superstar goalie in the off season which I think he is, now he has three goalies he can send back in trade. In a sense I think he is trying to appease the impatient fans by making literally any move.

On free agents and trades, I think there was confusion over the cap dumps But I think everyone should understand now.

Maybe he could’ve gotten someone with more offensive potential than Kane but the fans demanded Kane, for what that’s worth.

Tsrasenko did not work out for him, but it’s nowhere near as bad as Zadina over Hughes. Tarasenko is not a fireable offense as I see it. Over all he has signed responsible contracts and that has been a great change.

Yeah, I think this off season is the off season we see the Wings go for a superstar goalie and in fact I heard a rumor from a bookie that is indeed going to be the case. That would certainly change everything.
 
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Ok. So no big splashes at the TDL until Wings are contending. That leaves us the frenzy as a way to make the splash but that would require a "splash worthy" player to be available and that particular player to sign with us.
 
Ok. So no big splashes at the TDL until Wings are contending. That leaves us the frenzy as a way to make the splash but that would require a "splash worthy" player to be available and that particular player to sign with us.
 
Yzerman needs to do something fairly substantial at the draft. He also seem to hate on the competitive nature and size of the team for the third straight deadline. If you don’t like it, fix it and get aggressive Stevie.

I will say his guttural reaction to hearing Yzerplan was interesting and his frustration both during the coaching change presser and this one even for a guy that likes to stay even keel were notable. But he needs to take a bigger crack at this and that should be Ilitch’s season exit interview with him. The other three Detroit teams are in the playoffs after rebuilding from the bottom of the league, it is time.
 
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jkutswings said:
Oh I hear it, loud and clear.

Yzerman: "My philosophy is that I'll be so good at drafting that hopefully nobody notices how much worse I am at trades and free agency."
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Thinking about it though, besides the Walman trade, which ones were bad? Every GM is gonna have bad trades. All things considered I think his trades have been good.

Now free agency yeah, it's a blow up.
 
Total bullcrap.

Same posters can eat it up like they have been. I'm done till they actually make the playoffs or bring in some real talent outside of the draft.

Felt good to not be let down last night, I actually went out with friend's vs watch that BS.

They're literally not even trying, so, f-off. It sucks cause I love Yzerman too and want to blame someone else so bad but... hell he's just been bad.
 
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JediOrderPizza said:
Thinking about it though, besides the Walman trade, which ones were bad? Every GM is gonna have bad trades. All things considered I think his trades have been good.

Now free agency yeah, it's a blow up.
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He's been better in selling than in buying. The only acquisition I've liked has been Debrincat, which was a home run but in very special circumstances.

Everything else had ranged from meh to lousy in terms of what players/picks he's brought to Detroit.
 
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jkutswings said:

He's been better in selling than in buying. The only acquisition I've liked has been Debrincat, which was a home run but in very special circumstances.

Everything else had ranged from meh to lousy in teams of what he's brought to Detroit.
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Yeah I looked before making the post, I just didn't see anything else and you said bad trades plural. Not seeing a Reinhart or Eichel type of trade, now those are bad trades.

Walman is small potatoes compared to really bad trades.
 
JediOrderPizza said:
Yeah I looked before making the post, I just didn't see anything else and you said bad trades plural. Not seeing a Reinhart or Eichel type of trade, now those are bad trades.

Walman is small potatoes compared to really bad trades.
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Fine. But he doesn't have to be among the worst at it in order for the deficiency to still be a problem.

It will be borderline impossible to contend for a championship if Detroit does not find a way to supplement their drafting with trades and free agents of a significantly better quality than the bulk of what they've done thus far.

Otherwise it'll be a perpetual bubble team without enough talent to make a deep run. And eventually you run out of roster room for prospects.
 
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After a nights rest and consideration, I am not as angry as I was yesterday. Most of the defensemen who were moved were either stupid expensive or total garbage (Cholowski still plays hockey?)

Is Mrazek an upgrade on Lyon and Talbot? No idea. Guess he'll have to play here first. I have hard feelings toward him after how leaky he was his first tenure with us, but I have an open mind.

But, I feel that Steve is going to make a big play this off-season. Call it a gut feeling, but I think we're going to have an answer to are woeful defense come this summer.
 
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jkutswings said:
Fine. But he doesn't have to be among the worst at it in order for the deficiency to still be a problem.

It will be borderline impossible to contend for a championship if Detroit does not find a way to supplement their drafting with trades and free agents of a significantly better quality than the bulk of what they've done thus far.

Otherwise it'll be a perpetual bubble team without enough talent to make a deep run. And eventually you run out of roster room for prospects.
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This summer is a big one, and no not "oh yeah get some more free agents!" I'd like to see trades made, I want the defense absolutely revamped like it should have last offseason. If we have Gus, Holl, and no added actually top four defensemen going into training camp it will be an absolute failure. If they go at free agency to grab more Copp and Compher types it'll be a failure.

It's getting old.
 
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JediOrderPizza said:
This summer is a big one, and no not "oh yeah get some more free agents!" I'd like to see trades made, I want the defense absolutely revamped like it should have last offseason. If we have Gus, Holl, and no added actually top four defensemen going into training camp it will be an absolute failure. If they go at free agency to grab more Copp and Compher types it'll be a failure.

It's getting old.
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It will be. Next years team will have at least 7-8 new players a probably 3 of them will be prospects
 
DetroitRed said:
I think he’s drafted well. One big issue is never picking at or near the very top of the draft. But compare Steve’s drafts to Holland picking Zadina over Hughes, a move that will hurt the team every game for a couple decades. Steve has even gotten us some good picks out of late rounds, we just aren’t getting to pick first or second over all.

I think he walked into a situation in which the team had not drafted a superstar goalie since the 1990s nor signed or traded for a superstar goalie in about 20 years. Steve right away got us some great prospects for net. Unfortunately goalies normally take a relatively long time to develop.

As for the deadline move, I think an 11th place team can’t afford to give up anyone nor will an 11th place team interest any real game-changing players at the trade deadline. I guess if he wants to, he can now take the better of Talbot or Mrazek though it’s really splitting hairs. If he’s thinking about trading for a superstar goalie in the off season which I think he is, now he has three goalies he can send back in trade. In a sense I think he is trying to appease the impatient fans by making literally any move.

On free agents and trades, I think there was confusion over the cap dumps But I think everyone should understand now.

Maybe he could’ve gotten someone with more offensive potential than Kane but the fans demanded Kane, for what that’s worth.

Tsrasenko did not work out for him, but it’s nowhere near as bad as Zadina over Hughes. Tarasenko is not a fireable offense as I see it. Over all he has signed responsible contracts and that has been a great change.

Yeah, I think this off season is the off season we see the Wings go for a superstar goalie and in fact I heard a rumor from a bookie that is indeed going to be the case. That would certainly change everything.
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He signed Holl, Compher, Gustafsson, Traded for Petry, added Chiarot. List goes on. He’s made zero good free agent moves other than Kane who fell into his lap.

Drafting wise, early round has been great but later rounds have been bad. That preceded Yzerman though.
 
JohanFranzenstein said:
After a nights rest and consideration, I am not as angry as I was yesterday. Most of the defensemen who were moved were either stupid expensive or total garbage (Cholowski still plays hockey?)

Is Mrazek an upgrade on Lyon and Talbot? No idea. Guess he'll have to play here first. I have hard feelings toward him after how leaky he was his first tenure with us, but I have an open mind.

But, I feel that Steve is going to make a big play this off-season. Call it a gut feeling, but I think we're going to have an answer to are woeful defense come this summer.
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He is not. He is worse. Much worse, actually. What part of a .890 on a team where the other goalies are above .900 is unclear?
 
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JediOrderPizza said:
This summer is a big one, and no not "oh yeah get some more free agents!" I'd like to see trades made, I want the defense absolutely revamped like it should have last offseason. If we have Gus, Holl, and no added actually top four defensemen going into training camp it will be an absolute failure. If they go at free agency to grab more Copp and Compher types it'll be a failure.

It's getting old.
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He’s handicapped himself because nobody will take Gus and Holl. Hes filled the roster with crap and it will prevent him from making any actual good moves.
 
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