Boston Bruins Your roster changes / proposals XI

[CellyHard]

Studnicka couldn't crack our line up and now we have posters saying he is going to be our #2
Coyle has not been good as a Bruin other than three playoffs ago. Now he's going to slide into our 2c

We have lost Miller, Tinordi, Ritchie, Lauzon and brought in who? Foligno? The team was already getting bullied and now we have got softer.

18 million in cap space pissed away by DS and if anything, we have regressed from last season.

Come on the kid is 22 years old and a buck 70. Skills are there he just needs to add some weight and be tougher on pucks.

In regards to toughness, Tinordi rarely played, Miller was always hurt and Ritchie just didn't have the passion. Frederic will see more ice time. Folgino is tough and Forbort isn't a good figher by any means but he will toss his weight around and stick up for teammates.

I do agree we could use a little more toughness on the backend...I will actually be very disappointed if we don't sign Gudbranson...leadership, toughness, mean - the perfect Miller replacement.

 

[Sevendust]

Come on the kid is 22 years old and a buck 70. Skills are there he just needs to add some weight and be tougher on pucks.

In regards to toughness, Tinordi rarely played, Miller was always hurt and Ritchie just didn't have the passion. Frederic will see more ice time. Folgino is tough and Forbort isn't a good figher by any means but he will toss his weight around and stick up for teammates.

I do agree we could use a little more toughness on the backend...I will actually be very disappointed if we don't sign Gudbranson...leadership, toughness, mean - the perfect Miller replacement.

I think they want to have Lyle fill in for Clifton if neccessary

 

[BradPark22]

Studnicka couldn't crack our line up and now we have posters saying he is going to be our #2
Coyle has not been good as a Bruin other than three playoffs ago. Now he's going to slide into our 2c

We have lost Miller, Tinordi, Ritchie, Lauzon and brought in who? Foligno? The team was already getting bullied and now we have got softer.

18 million in cap space pissed away by DS and if anything, we have regressed from last season.

LOL imagine thinking that losing Tinordi is somehow a bad thing. He's the definition of JAG

 

[CellyHard]

I think they want to have Lyle fill in for Clifton if neccessary

I get that and I’m excited about this kid but that’s not enough as a contender. It would be foolish to lean on an undrafted free agent who has never seen an NHL game before.

Moore, Zboril and Vaak all offer the same thing. Gudbranson offers a completely different and much needed skill set

 

[NDiesel]

I get that and I’m excited about this kid but that’s not enough as a contender. It would be foolish to lean on an undrafted free agent who has never seen an NHL game before.

Moore, Zboril and Vaak all offer the same thing. Gudbranson offers a completely different and much needed skill set

I'm not saying Lyle would make this impact...but Krug was an undrafted college FA and he made an impact almost immediately in the playoffs to boot. My point being if Lyle is ready then he's ready. They shouldn't block him playing to sign Gudbrandson

 

[UncleRico]

Then hopefully that unexpected trade happens. Overpay if we have to.

My point is even with Krejci they already were a team that got bounced in the 2nd round the last two seasons... Why would that be different? The team needs to start officially finding his replacement, not hang onto the past, even if it means we suck.

I said I'm not against them doing it if they are in the 1 or 2 spot, but if they are a middling team, I don't see the point. Adding Krejci or Rask maybe gives them an extra playoff series (if that) and end of the day, probably 4-8 spots different draft position, but not enough to push them to the top again.

If you had krejci the team would be better from a depth perspective though. Instead of having Wagner, kuraly and Frederic you’d be replacing that with nosek, haula and foligno.

Now you probably still need Frederic or Wagner in.

 

[DominicT]

for what it's worth I think I basically nailed it a couple weeks ago with this post:
Former Bruins - Thank You, David Krejci: Returning To Czech Republic

sharing for no other reason than to pat myself on the back and because nobody replied at the time so it's nice to get some validation in the form of your post about it.

I'm all for someone patting themselves on the back!! I will pat you on the back as well. But in fairness, it was being discussed prior to that. And one correction though. If a team did claim him from the waiver wire and he were to retire, the cap hit comes off the books so they would not be on the hook for it. The 35+ rule has been changed.

I think the only hope is that Krejci's wife and kids don't like it there enough (when does school start?) that he is left no choice but to come back before Dec 15th.

I've been rattling my brains out to find an alternative way of handling it. IF you are part of the group that believes that a GM would only pick him up off the waiver wire (and there are plenty that think that) only to keep him off the Bruins roster then, I would work out a deal with Arizona, or Detroit, or some other team to sign him and then trade him to Boston.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

LOL imagine thinking that losing Tinordi is somehow a bad thing. He's the definition of JAG

Puck was a grenade to him. Expectations were so low no one got on him in the playoffs but you need to give that spot to someone better/younger.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

If you had krejci the team would be better from a depth perspective though. Instead of having Wagner, kuraly and Frederic you’d be replacing that with nosek, haula and foligno.

Now you probably still need Frederic or Wagner in.

I don't disagree. Krejci on this team makes it better.

It's just HOW good is the team he'd be joining. To me, that's the main thing. If we are 1 or 2 seed when it comes time to decide, sure, add him, and add him for free even better.

If the team is struggling or looking anywhere from the 10-6 spot? Do I bother adding Krejci? I personally say no. Instead of focusing short term efforts on what to me seems to be a fools run, maybe just make a big move and try to fill that spot long term.

This is all hypothetical at this point any ways, all things. This again, is another reason the team should be looking for concrete solutions instead of a bunch of maybes tied onto hypothetical scenarios. If Coyle or Studnicka or Foligno don't work out in that spot (which is very very possible), Bruins still need to add a 2C. No more bandaids. At this stage of the Bruins life cycle, Krejci would be a bandaid. And if they realistically not good enough to win, then I say no to the bandaid.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

I'm all for someone patting themselves on the back!! I will pat you on the back as well. But in fairness, it was being discussed prior to that. And one correction though. If a team did claim him from the waiver wire and he were to retire, the cap hit comes off the books so they would not be on the hook for it. The 35+ rule has been changed.

I think the only hope is that Krejci's wife and kids don't like it there enough (when does school start?) that he is left no choice but to come back before Dec 15th.

I've been rattling my brains out to find an alternative way of handling it. IF you are part of the group that believes that a GM would only pick him up off the waiver wire (and there are plenty that think that) only to keep him off the Bruins roster then, I would work out a deal with Arizona, or Detroit, or some other team to sign him and then trade him to Boston.

the problem with a claim & trade deal is he'd have to go through waivers again after the trade, right?

I really think the only path to adding him after Dec 15th is to try and structure his contract to disincentivize any team from claiming him. Well maybe another option is I guess in theory they could work out some kind of deal where they pay a team (with a pick or something) to NOT claim him (ala expansion draft), but I have no idea if that's even legal under the CBA. Could they just call it a "future considerations" deal?

In any case there are so many variables (Krejci & his fam, timing of his return, Bruins standings, other teams' standings, waiver claim order, etc) that there's really no way to find a silver bullet solution this far in advance.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

I think they want to have Lyle fill in for Clifton if neccessary

Honest question (not a criticism whatsoever)... is Lyle that close to NHL ready??? He's played 25 games in the AHL and was undrafted.

I always thought he was more of a project signing than someone ready, but maybe I'm really off on where along his development curve he is.

 

[KnightofBoston]

Rask would have won MVP if the skaters wouldnt have sucked and won this game 7. There wasnt even any sense about this series going to game 7 but the refs played a big part in that ..

I agree with this partially, I’m not 100% on him winning MVP had we won, but maybe. My point is just that he had multiple opportunities to shut the door in huge games and he just didn’t. He’s still one of the best goalies in bruins history, but the entire body of work within the context of “will he return!?” To me…it’s just time to move on

 

[KnightofBoston]

I'm so sick of these disgusting takes on him choking. Why is it we can find thousands of posts about how Rask choked but no one is saying shit like "its time to move on from Bergeron, Marchand and Krejci, 2019 was yet another example of these guys choking in a game 7 and failing to score more than a goal"

Yea so, I’m not sure where in my post you saw the word choke, but maybe take a step back from some of the insanity on this board and recognize some members can levy legitimate criticism and still appreciate what the player or team has accomplished

Rask didn’t choke game 7 away, he just didn’t play elite and shut the door, which he’s shown he’s capable of…just not in that final do or die game. That’s a fact, an unfortunate one, but a fact none the less. After all that, his surgery, where we are at now, I believe it’s time to move on

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Yea so, I’m not sure where in my post you saw the word choke, but maybe take a step back from some of the insanity on this board and recognize some members can levy legitimate criticism and still appreciate what the player or team has accomplished

Rask didn’t choke game 7 away, he just didn’t play elite and shut the door, which he’s shown he’s capable of…just not in that final do or die game. That’s a fact, an unfortunate one, but a fact none the less. After all that, his surgery, where we are at now, I believe it’s time to move on

I don’t see how Rask would be coming back with a 5 million dollar back up and a more than capable Rookie,things would have to have gone really bad with these two,and if that was the case the Bruins would probably be out of the playoffs picture.

 

[HustleB]

LOL imagine thinking that losing Tinordi is somehow a bad thing. He's the definition of JAG

I think that is taken a little out of context for sure. I liked, the post because to me it sounded like hey, it would be nice to add a really tough player as the 8th d on this team that brings toughness as a leading characteristic. We do seem a bit soft. This guy has traditionally been good and it appears he may be open to a cheaper deal and low minutes expectation.

I wasn't hearing "oh no we lost Tindordi" in any sense.

 

[UncleRico]

I don't disagree. Krejci on this team makes it better.

It's just HOW good is the team he'd be joining. To me, that's the main thing. If we are 1 or 2 seed when it comes time to decide, sure, add him, and add him for free even better.

If the team is struggling or looking anywhere from the 10-6 spot? Do I bother adding Krejci? I personally say no. Instead of focusing short term efforts on what to me seems to be a fools run, maybe just make a big move and try to fill that spot long term.

This is all hypothetical at this point any ways, all things. This again, is another reason the team should be looking for concrete solutions instead of a bunch of maybes tied onto hypothetical scenarios. If Coyle or Studnicka or Foligno don't work out in that spot (which is very very possible), Bruins still need to add a 2C. No more bandaids. At this stage of the Bruins life cycle, Krejci would be a bandaid. And if they realistically not good enough to win, then I say no to the bandaid.

Oh 100% is a bandaid. So is signing foligno, forbort, haula, nosek.

It’s just yet another offseason that Sweeney botched that doesn’t get us any closer to winning a championship window as this core is dwindling and on its last legs.

Ive said it before and I’ll go back to it. Sweeney walked into a team with bergy, Marchand, pasta, krejci, chara, krug and Rask. All of those guys in their prime or young core guys except chara who was on the older side but still playing at a high level.

He was gift wrapped an entire top line, an elite 2nd line center, a Norris trophy defender, a top offensive defender in the league and a top 5 goalie of his era and couldn’t fill in the gaps. Just purely insane mismanagement of talent.

On top of that core he had 3 first round picks in the top 15 of his first draft and completely botched it.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Oh 100% is a bandaid. So is signing foligno, forbort, haula, nosek.

It’s just yet another offseason that Sweeney botched that doesn’t get us any closer to winning a championship window as this core is dwindling and on its last legs.

Ive said it before and I’ll go back to it. Sweeney walked into a team with bergy, Marchand, pasta, krejci, chara, krug and Rask. All of those guys in their prime or young core guys except chara who was on the older side but still playing at a high level.

He was gift wrapped an entire top line, an elite 2nd line center, a Norris trophy defender, a top offensive defender in the league and a top 5 goalie of his era and couldn’t fill in the gaps. Just purely insane mismanagement of talent.

On top of that core he had 3 first round picks in the top 15 of his first draft and completely botched it.

And that team was so good that it didn't make the playoffs two years in a row.

 

[Gordoff]

Come on the kid is 22 years old and a buck 70. Skills are there he just needs to add some weight and be tougher on pucks.

In regards to toughness, Tinordi rarely played, Miller was always hurt and Ritchie just didn't have the passion. Frederic will see more ice time. Folgino is tough and Forbort isn't a good figher by any means but he will toss his weight around and stick up for teammates.

I do agree we could use a little more toughness on the backend...I will actually be very disappointed if we don't sign Gudbranson...leadership, toughness, mean - the perfect Miller replacement.

Yeah, I didn't know much about him but holy moly he's a big angry man.
Plus he looks damn good in black & gold 1:30 1:30 !

 

[UncleRico]

And that team was so good that it didn't make the playoffs two years in a row.

Yes the same team that set an NHL record for most points by a team to miss the playoffs and then made the playoffs two years later under Sweeney with less points than what they missed the playoffs with.

Still doesn’t change the fact he had that he had that core and three first round picks in the top 15 and hasn’t won anything with it.

 

[DominicT]

the problem with a claim & trade deal is he'd have to go through waivers again after the trade, right?

The rules are murky at best with the CBA not finished yet. I'm trying to get clarification but under normal waivers, if a team puts in a claim and is successful, before they can trade that player they must offer his services to any other team that put in a claim first and then to the original club.

 

[PB37]

Oh 100% is a bandaid. So is signing foligno, forbort, haula, nosek.

It’s just yet another offseason that Sweeney botched that doesn’t get us any closer to winning a championship window as this core is dwindling and on its last legs.

Ive said it before and I’ll go back to it. Sweeney walked into a team with bergy, Marchand, pasta, krejci, chara, krug and Rask. All of those guys in their prime or young core guys except chara who was on the older side but still playing at a high level.

He was gift wrapped an entire top line, an elite 2nd line center, a Norris trophy defender, a top offensive defender in the league and a top 5 goalie of his era and couldn’t fill in the gaps. Just purely insane mismanagement of talent.

On top of that core he had 3 first round picks in the top 15 of his first draft and completely botched it.

You make it sound like Sweeney didn't play a role in the development of some of those core guys, being the head of player development in 2006. You also make it sound like he didn't play a role in the drafting of Pasta and the courting of Torey Krug ( who developed a rapport with Sweeney and was one of the factors in him signing here ), as well as drafting our franchise blueliner in McAvoy.

Sweeney has had his share of swings and misses. He's also helped put this team in place and put them in position to win it all in 2019 ( winning a GM of the Year award in the process ) and followed it up with a best team in the league the following year before COVID derailed everything.

But hey, apparently he just drunk stumbled down the hall and passed out in the GM chair according to you, so what do I know.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

You make it sound like Sweeney didn't play a role in the development of some of those core guys, being the head of player development in 2006. You also make it sound like he didn't play a role in the drafting of Pasta and the courting of Torey Krug ( who developed a rapport with Sweeney and was one of the factors in him signing here ), as well as drafting our franchise blueliner in McAvoy.

Sweeney has had his share of swings and misses. He's also helped put this team in place and put them in position to win it all in 2019 ( winning a GM of the Year award in the process ) and followed it up with a best team in the league the following year before COVID derailed everything.

But hey, apparently he just drunk stumbled down the hall and passed out in the GM chair according to you, so what do I know.

But he hasn't won anything. (Anything being solely the Stanley Cup)

As you said, just a team that got to game 7 of the finals.

 

[DKH]

Honest question (not a criticism whatsoever)... is Lyle that close to NHL ready??? He's played 25 games in the AHL and was undrafted.

I always thought he was more of a project signing than someone ready, but maybe I'm really off on where along his development curve he is.

I agree I believe he’s going to start in AHL and go from there. He played well in AHL and I’m thinking he starts in AHL works in practice with McQuaid and is they hope first call up

 

[CellyHard]

Yeah, I didn't know much about him but holy moly he's a big angry man.
Plus he looks damn good in black & gold 1:30 1:30 !

I think he is holding out for a top 6 role somewhere or a one-way contract. I wouldn't be hesitant to sign him to be the 7/8th. I think it would be best to waive John Moore so he can get reps down in Providence to start the year, along with Vaak. You run with Zboril and Gudbranson as your two extras - best way to accumulate as much depth as possible. I cant see Moore getting claimed. I feel like it makes perfect sense but I've thought that a many of times lol

Oh and this is my favorite video of him. Would love to see him do this with our ENTIRE defense. This guy just screams Bruin and fan favorite.

 

[UncleRico]

You make it sound like Sweeney didn't play a role in the development of some of those core guys, being the head of player development in 2006. You also make it sound like he didn't play a role in the drafting of Pasta and the courting of Torey Krug ( who developed a rapport with Sweeney and was one of the factors in him signing here ), as well as drafting our franchise blueliner in McAvoy.

Sweeney has had his share of swings and misses. He's also helped put this team in place and put them in position to win it all in 2019 ( winning a GM of the Year award in the process ) and followed it up with a best team in the league the following year before COVID derailed everything.

But hey, apparently he just drunk stumbled down the hall and passed out in the GM chair according to you, so what do I know.

No I’m not disregarding his development of players at all before he came GM. I’m specifically referring to his time since becoming GM and the moves (or lack there of) that he has made that haven’t been amounted to anything when he has had the best line in hockey, an elite 2nd line center, a Norris quality defender, an elite offensive defender and a top 5 goalie in the league. On top of that he had 3 top 15 picks in his first ever draft and botched them all.

In no way am I discrediting his past roles in the bruins system. However as a GM he’s been a pretty big disappointment.