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people saying they’d rather trade ASP than Danielson?? Seriously? I think a stud RHD has more value than a 2/3C and I’d gladly move Danielson for a 25 year old 70 point right handed d man we can sign for the next 8-10 years lol you gotta give value to get It and this guy fits our core age perfectly
 
people saying they’d rather trade ASP than Danielson?? Seriously? I think a stud RHD has more value than a 2/3C and I’d gladly move Danielson for a 25 year old 70 point right handed d man we can sign for the next 8-10 years lol you gotta give value to get It and this guy fits our core age perfectly
It's a difference of evaluation. I think of Danielson as another Kasper with trading a little grit for better passing. But I get your point.

It'll be interesting to see if Detroit does anything other than make picks on draft night.
 
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people saying they’d rather trade ASP than Danielson?? Seriously? I think a stud RHD has more value than a 2/3C and I’d gladly move Danielson for a 25 year old 70 point right handed d man we can sign for the next 8-10 years lol you gotta give value to get It and this guy fits our core age perfectly
The thinking is looking around other playoff teams, you should be set with Mo, Ed and Dobson in your top 4 to compete. Then just fill it with not-Holls lol.

I mean I'd def rather keep ASP for sure. But I think Danielson is gonna hit, and he's more of a priority than ASP especially if you landed Dobson.
 
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The thinking is looking around other playoff teams, you should be set with Mo, Ed and Dobson in your top 4 to compete. Then just fill it with not-Holls lol.

I mean I'd def rather keep ASP for sure. But I think Danielson is gonna hit, and he's more of a priority than ASP especially if you landed Dobson.
Yeah, if I saw a realistic path to acquire another center I'd be all for it. But I don't see how Detroit replaces Nate so quickly.
 
Yeah, if I saw a realistic path to acquire another center I'd be all for it. But I don't see how Detroit replaces Nate so quickly.
Maybe they like what they see with Plante that makes Nate-Dawg expendable? I think Plante's stock will rise meteorically on these boards when he becomes one of the "it" guys on team U S and A next year.

I like Nate and trading him would make me clench a bit but I would pull the trigger on that trade in a heartbeat to have a D-core from hades with Dobson on board
 
While I love ASP, moving Danielson would greatly weaken us down the middle, especially if Larkin is passing him prime and/or on the move in the future somehow

Especially if Dobson would come back the other way, our RHD is absolutely locked down for another 8-10 years. Having ASP on the 3rd pair and being a PPQB seems redundant when Dobson is already a 70 point scorer and 6'4 200lbs

The organization loves Danielson's game and believe in him greatly. Doubt he's anywhere on the list to trade unless an established young top 6 C is available. Even then, they love his 2-way game and his play in GR this year so he's a tough sell
 
I've seen an article written when they proposed:

Berggren
Compher
Danielson
Plante
13th pick

for

Dobson.

Purely an idea though not speculation. Seems like some writers on the Islanders side think "talks" are at least happening. I'm not seeing anywhere besides Duff that a solid offers actually been made. Might come down to draft night and who's there at 13 for the Islanders if they got their eyes on a certain prospect of two.
That is a pretty massive package. I think you can subtract at least one of Danielson or Plante. That amount of player assets rarely happens for one player in the league, even great ones.
 
My inner 4th grader is delighted you said that.
To someone with the user name @Snuggs probably makes it even better, at least it would to 4th grade me.

I do think that is steep, even if I like Dobson. I can see the logic to moving ASP if you have Dobson and Seider. I just think the package should be lower once ASP or the Karate Kid are involved. I see it with one but not the other. Two firsts is a lot with NHL roster players at least historically. Much less with an RFA that looks terrible with your current coach.
 
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Dobson will be making loads of money.
Dobson is all offense and no D.
I would not be for paying such a steep price for a one dimensional defenseman.
Hard no to this trade rumor. We are giving up too much to address an area that is already a strength (power play).
 
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Dobson is not a 70 point player on the red wings, would he even start on PP1 over Seider? We had a top 5 PP with Seider last year so it’s not like he’s an issue there. Dobson is really good but is he 10 million good when he may not even be the same version of the islanders Dobson? He also doesn’t PK or anything so it’s not like he will help us with that.
 
besides hating idea of trading danielson i also hate the idea of trading for established young stars cuz the cost is expensive . stay the course and trust in your scouting team . mean while sign star vets on short term to help raise the new borns . we got kane , how bout the real devil marchand for 2/3 years . same for tavares and orlov . then when their contracts run out weve the cap to sign all our kids long term after they just got taught by all the old philosophers . burns n benn maybe . forget the late 20s ufa on 7 year contracts who get toasty right when the kids are alright , then cost you important cap for 4 seasons
 
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Maybe they like what they see with Plante that makes Nate-Dawg expendable? I think Plante's stock will rise meteorically on these boards when he becomes one of the "it" guys on team U S and A next year.

I like Nate and trading him would make me clench a bit but I would pull the trigger on that trade in a heartbeat to have a D-core from hades with Dobson on board
As an NHL Center?????
 
If a Dobson trade can be worked out for a reasonable cost that's a no-brainer. But would much rather trade Danielson than ASP in that exchange.

We'd obviously be loaded up on high-end RDs but that's not exactly the worst problem to have. Worst case scenario, you can move one of them down the line for a haul to shore up another part of the roster. At the end of the day, I think Danielson has the higher floor but ASP is a safer bet to be a high-end player in the NHL. What is a star, other than an individual who distinguishes themselves as a cut above their peers? ASP has done that much more decisively thus far, and his comparables at the same ages in the same leagues are legends of the game, like Erik Karlsson for example. Danielson just doesn't have those bona fides. I don't have any hard data to back this up, but my feeling is that superstars at the junior/college level (or promising NHL prospects playing with men in Europe like ASP) turn into stars at the NHL level much more reliably than those players who did not distinguish themselves in that way at the lower levels.

Besides, Kasper's showing this past season has made Danielson's success less vital for the team. Still an important piece, but we at least have another young C who projects as a top 6 C. We don't have that equivalent fall-back option for ASP.
 
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Besides, Kasper's showing this past season has made Danielson's success less vital for the team. Still an important piece, but we at least have another young C who projects as a top 6 C. We don't have that equivalent fall-back option for ASP.
In this scenario, the "fall-back option" is Dobson though, as well as Seider and Edvinsson already being there. So I don't really see the logic.
Organizationally I still believe this team's biggest questionmark is the center position, in the short and long term.
 
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Dobson does look pretty good, imo when looking in the defensive stats. 2nd lowest xGA/60 after Pelech and 2nd lowest GA/60 after Mayfield.

He didn't play much PK, but if Pellikka is the trade bait, same problem is ahead with him too. Dobson is just bigger, more matured already and still can develop his defence on the long run.

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And top centers don't move rarely. When was the last one? Eichel? And he had injury concerns.

Injury concerns weren't really what led to Eichel moving. He used it as a means to muscle his way out of an organization he was tired of dealing with.

And Buffalo was stupid enough to play right into it and deny him the surgery he wanted.
 
Injury concerns weren't really what led to Eichel moving. He used it as a means to muscle his way out of an organization he was tired of dealing with.

And Buffalo was stupid enough to play right into it and deny him the surgery he wanted.
Sounds like Detroit should get Buffalo to the trade table then.
 
Dobson is not a 1way player. Anyone saying that doesn’t watch him play and is doing the usual “this D scores point so he must suck defensively”. Hes a strong 2way D, though he didn’t PK because NYI had better options already.

Danielson can still hit but it’s crazy to act like he has more value than ASP.
 
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Go to the Noah Dobson thread Islanders forum. If their fans have any hockey sense at all then trading for Dobson and signing him to 8 figures would be a massive mistake.

And if they don’t…well then…carry on.
 
people saying they’d rather trade ASP than Danielson?? Seriously? I think a stud RHD has more value than a 2/3C and I’d gladly move Danielson for a 25 year old 70 point right handed d man we can sign for the next 8-10 years lol you gotta give value to get It and this guy fits our core age perfectly

Calling Dobson a 70 point guy is like calling Cheechoo a 50 goal guy. Or me a plus golfer because I went under par 1 time.
 
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