Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[Gniwder]

seen yzerman in a dream last nite = a move is coming

just your bowel

 

[newfy]

The definitiveness towards the inability of Marner, Matthews, JT. etc to wn in playoffs, especially from Red Wings fans, blows my mind.

Yzerman couldn't win it all, Datsyuk was labeled as a playoff choker, and I'm sure there are many other situations where a guy "couldn't" win but eventually did.

Maybe the Leafs need a fundamental change, but I don't think the narratives around these players are as black and white as fans and h8ers like to make them.

As a group of players I can see where its coming from. But the people in this thread that dont want Marner at all for a market price contract is hilarious. You know what else the Leafs dont have? Any dmen like Seider.

The wings arent Toronto, their cap situation is drastically different, they have a group of great prospects on the way. You add a 100 point player to that for the cost of cap space any day. They need to worry about making the playoffs first. Maybe as he gets older, Marner figures the playoffs out.

Maybe someone like Raymond, Larkin or Kasper turn into complete playoff studs that step up come playoff time unlike Matthews/JT and Marner not being an absolute stud come playoff time doesnt hurt Detroit as much.

What I do know is that Detroit lacks elite talent up front. Marner is absolutely elite, you need to take that risk.

 

[deca guard]

- marner being a smart finess player functioning alot on the perimeter adds up to probably a longer era of health and high point production over his career . and getting selke votes a huge plus

RAYMOND-LARKIN-MARNER

it would be a huge decission for yzerman to make spending that much long term cap . thats why i prefer depth over top end talent = if you have 6 excellent middle roster guys compared to 2 top guys it doesnt hurt as much losing one or two of the 6 . but if a top gun guy doesnt pan out youve got problems for 7 years . but that raymond-larkin-marner line would be a top n exciting line in nhl , huge decission that determines the future . and to add , the following ufa season top ufa would look at that line with seider-eddie and say i wanna be on that team ! so i wouldnt doubt yzerman offers marner n garikov to go all in with a strong fleet of prospects approaching

- av's stole my brock nelson plan

 

[deca guard]

seen yzerman in a dream last nite = a move is coming

it was varady leaving . and yzerman wasnt a happy camper in dream so i doubt he wanted him to leave

 

[Gniwder]

it was varady leaving . and yzerman wasnt a happy camper in dream so i doubt he wanted him to leave

The Wings had 3 assistant coaches, he probably got squeezed out. In any case, WFC.

 

[Run the Jewels]

The Wings had 3 assistant coaches, he probably got squeezed out. In any case, WFC.

Tanguay runs the power play, which has been excellent. That's the guy you want to keep. Tough to make the case for any of the other holdovers.

 

[deca guard]

imo were just not ready yet to sign old ufa long term and watch the end of their primes go before were contender . i say wait to make a big ufa splash til more spects have developed . since avs signed nelly im hoping tavares gets to ufa and we sign him for 2 or 3 to mentor kids like philosopher kane has been doing . tavares teaching dannyson n kasper to get more shots on net is just what dr ordered

and still real gung ho on over paying jeannot to get team tougher without a big cap hit , ide like to ship a pick for negotiating rights right now and get him on board . plus orlov

JEANNOT X 4
TAVARES X 3
ORLOV X 2

then i have the cap to sign our own spect's in a few years to long term , while we start a decade+ hardware shopping spree led by woden's off spring SEIDEN

 

[Our Lady Peace]

I'm warming back up to a Marner contract but cautiously. The playoff stink-ups I've called him out on, well, I can't be hypocritical of because Detroit hasn't even made the playoffs since months before his rookie year. However, I still stand firm that the most valuable players are the ones who step it up when the game gets tighter and you no longer rack up points against bottom feeder teams. If Marner is going to sign with a team he believes is a playoff contender, he damn well best be making his worth outside of that Toronto spotlight

Now, the likelihood of our team, let alone Yzerman shooting for the stars like that, is extremely unlikely to be honest. I think a more reasonable option is signing Gavrikov. There needs to be urgency there too

Gavrikov can go for 6 × 7.5 or whatever the market value might with him. Turns 30 next season, so lots of runway left for his level of play I think. Exactly the type of LHD we need-- big bodied shutdown D that would instantly improve our historically dog shit PK from last year

That kind of addition does wonders for any lineup (like Ekholm in Edmonton or Forsling in Florida), even if ours is still trying to just make the playoffs

 

[Gniwder]

imo were just not ready yet to sign old ufa long term and watch the end of their primes go before were contender . i say wait to make a big ufa splash til more spects have developed . since avs signed nelly im hoping tavares gets to ufa and we sign him for 2 or 3 to mentor kids like philosopher kane has been doing . tavares teaching dannyson n kasper to get more shots on net is just what dr ordered

and still real gung ho on over paying jeannot to get team tougher without a big cap hit , ide like to ship a pick for negotiating rights right now and get him on board . plus orlov

JEANNOT X 4
TAVARES X 3
ORLOV X 2

then i have the cap to sign our own spect's in a few years to long term , while we start a decade+ hardware shopping spree led by woden's off spring SEIDEN

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Orlov's play from game to game has been so inconsistent, I doubt Stevie wants anything to do with him. While he's physical, he's actually short for a D-man at 5'11". I also don't see Orlov signing for 2 years on his last pay day. He's 33.

 

[datsyukfan]

Orlov's play from game to game has been so inconsistent, I doubt Stevie wants anything to do with him. While he's physical, he's actually short for a D-man at 5'11". I also don't see Orlov signing for 2 years on his last pay day. He's 33.

Yzerman signed Holl so let’s not act like he signs d-men that are always consistent

 

[Gniwder]

Yzerman signed Holl so let’s not act like he signs d-men that are always consistent

Holl consistently sucks.

I can totally see Orlov being another Gus/Tank, where the effort retires well before the player.

 

[Oddbob]

As a group of players I can see where its coming from. But the people in this thread that dont want Marner at all for a market price contract is hilarious. You know what else the Leafs dont have? Any dmen like Seider.

The wings arent Toronto, their cap situation is drastically different, they have a group of great prospects on the way. You add a 100 point player to that for the cost of cap space any day. They need to worry about making the playoffs first. Maybe as he gets older, Marner figures the playoffs out.

Maybe someone like Raymond, Larkin or Kasper turn into complete playoff studs that step up come playoff time unlike Matthews/JT and Marner not being an absolute stud come playoff time doesnt hurt Detroit as much.

What I do know is that Detroit lacks elite talent up front. Marner is absolutely elite, you need to take that risk.

Yeah, but but we can just draft our own 80-100 pt player, like some think is so easy.

 

[Oddbob]

- av's stole my brock nelson plan

Thank goodness! Terrible contract for a 34 year old player.

 

[Detroit Knights]

not sure if this was brought up at all, but would you guys consider doing marner for 3-5 years at 15 mil? He's 28 so i don't think he should do it. maybe the 3 years i suppose, but i was just curious. clearly not going to happen and he should get his bag if he can.

in 3 years, the cap will be raised substantially. so it would really hurt us at all. and in his 3rd year, he can get essentially his final bag of 7 years, taking him to 38 and be good.

 

[Winger98]

not sure if this was brought up at all, but would you guys consider doing marner for 3-5 years at 15 mil? He's 28 so i don't think he should do it. maybe the 3 years i suppose, but i was just curious. clearly not going to happen and he should get his bag if he can.

in 3 years, the cap will be raised substantially. so it would really hurt us at all. and in his 3rd year, he can get essentially his final bag of 7 years, taking him to 38 and be good.

No, he won't do it unless we can do something like they do in MLB. Sign him to a 5 year deal, but give him an out clause the second and/or third year. Big gamble for us, lessens the gamble for him.

 

[Detroit Knights]

No, he won't do it unless we can do something like they do in MLB. Sign him to a 5 year deal, but give him an out clause the second and/or third year. Big gamble for us, lessens the gamble for him.

gotcha. Was just thinking something like what mathews did, but i see aht your saying

 

[deca guard]

 

[deca guard]

all i got is more weak rumor bait cast out for hits by desperate media

Canadiens, Penguins, Red Wings Interested In Nicolas Hague

Detroit, Montreal, and Pittsburgh join the clubs interested in acquiring pending RFA Nicolas Hague from Vegas. Read more at Pro Hockey Rumors.

www.prohockeyrumors.com

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Can someone define what they want when they say a first line lw? I am looking at other teams around the league, and it's not like the best teams have six forwards putting up 60+ points. Most have 3. Some have four. Dallas ended up with 5, but they are now immediately having cap issues.

I'm looking at the wings, and I can see us needing someone who can skate there and compliment Larkin/Raymond, but that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be a guy who can pot 30+. I see a bigger issue with us not being a defensive sieve and carrying massive negatives up and down the lineup.

I'm not saying we shouldn't pursue guys like Robertson or Marner, but that having Larkin/Raymond/Debrincat at the top of the lineup actually compares pretty well production wise to a lot of teams across the league.

Boeser or Ehlers. Both averaging over 60 points per 82 games. Those are lower end 1st line/elite 2nd line numbers.

Boeser with Larkin and Raymond has a player who can skate and another to set him up.

Ehlers with Larkin and Raymond or Kasper and Kane gives the wings a great rush counter-attack.

It’s not Marner but it’s a significant upgrade on what we had in the top 6 last year.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Boeser or Ehlers. Both averaging over 60 points per 82 games. Those are lower end 1st line/elite 2nd line numbers.

Boeser with Larkin and Raymond has a player who can skate and another to set him up.

Ehlers with Larkin and Raymond or Kasper and Kane gives the wings a great rush counter-attack.

It’s not Marner but it’s a significant upgrade on what we had in the top 6 last year.

I don't love Ehlers, but you can't complain if that's all Yzerman can work out as far as scoring line acquisitions are concerned this summer.

Ehlers-Larkin-Ray
Cat-Kasper-Kane

I don't love that, but acknowledge it's a big improvement over where were were just a few years ago. I am more in the swing for the fences mode, particularly if Kyle Connor isn't signing a new deal with Winnipeg. We need to be all over him, but I get that requires patience and no one has patience.

 

[deca guard]

June 11, 2025 at 6:45 pm CDT | by Brian La Rose Leave a Comment

The expectation is that Hurricanes defenseman Dmitry Orlov will test the open market next month, reports Pierre LeBrun in his latest column for The Athletic (subscription link). The 33-year-old was somewhat of a surprise signing two years ago when he joined Carolina, eschewing a longer-term offer to accept a two-year, $15.5MM deal, one that was above-market at the time. Orlov averaged 20 minutes a game this season while chipping in with six goals and 22 assists, making it nine straight years that he has eclipsed the 20-point mark. While he likely won’t beat his most recent price tag, he should generate some strong interest in free agency.

 

[Winger98]

Boeser or Ehlers. Both averaging over 60 points per 82 games. Those are lower end 1st line/elite 2nd line numbers.

Boeser with Larkin and Raymond has a player who can skate and another to set him up.

Ehlers with Larkin and Raymond or Kasper and Kane gives the wings a great rush counter-attack.

It’s not Marner but it’s a significant upgrade on what we had in the top 6 last year.

Boeser has actually hit 60 points once in his 9 year career. Both are softish, with Ehlers giving you 82 games once in the past 7 years, 70+ games just twice. I'd bet on both being around $8-9m cap hits (roughly equivilant to Debrincat's cap percentage when he signed). They are 20ish goal guys.

I'm not saying they aren't upgrades over the wheel o' Rasmussen/Compher/Tank/whoever. But I'm also not going to say they are going to be worth the term/cap they likely get. If we don't bring back Kane, they start making a bit more sense to me. But if we're just have that one wing spot open I am more than comfortable sliding a kid into that spot and running with it. Though I'd avoid Ehlers regardless. $8m+ for a guy unlikely to ever give you 70 games in any given season, and soft as charmin to boot...eh.

 

[Oddbob]

Really not sure why it would cost any sweetener to move him. With cap going up 7.5 this year alone and only 1 year left, 4.75 is not that big a pill to swallow. If they aren't buying out Holl, I would add to get rid of him, but if they can't find a non sweetener move for Tank I would just keep him. No reason to waste assets to move him with only 1 year left. Holl is different story as he completely sucks and no one will want him.

 

[deca guard]

Boeser has actually hit 60 points once in his 9 year career. Both are softish, with Ehlers giving you 82 games once in the past 7 years, 70+ games just twice. I'd bet on both being around $8-9m cap hits (roughly equivilant to Debrincat's cap percentage when he signed). They are 20ish goal guys.

I'm not saying they aren't upgrades over the wheel o' Rasmussen/Compher/Tank/whoever. But I'm also not going to say they are going to be worth the term/cap they likely get. If we don't bring back Kane, they start making a bit more sense to me. But if we're just have that one wing spot open I am more than comfortable sliding a kid into that spot and running with it. Though I'd avoid Ehlers regardless. $8m+ for a guy unlikely to ever give you 70 games in any given season, and soft as charmin to boot...eh.

right on ! then during years 4/5/6 fans would be crying how bad the signings were and now we dont have the cap to lock up cossa/mbn/asp long term . this roster is not in the state that we start signing long term ufa that would be beyond prime once all the prospects are ready . yzermans playing this chess match perfectly . i hope n pray to the hockey fairies that henka is downloading all these yzer'bashers post so in 2027/28 once yzer'god is drinking from lord stanleys goblet once again all the bashers will develop an extreme ''case of the rasberries'' (rip sid!)

 

[Winger98]

Really not sure why it would cost any sweetener to move him. With cap going up 7.5 this year alone and only 1 year left, 4.75 is not that big a pill to swallow. If they aren't buying out Holl, I would add to get rid of him, but if they can't find a non sweetener move for Tank I would just keep him. No reason to waste assets to move him with only 1 year left. Holl is different story as he completely sucks and no one will want him.

Just bury holl in gr. It's only a million more on the cap vs buying him out, but once this year is over, we're done with him.