Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[Rzombo4 prez]

Kyrou for #13 sounds ok to me.

Why does STL do that?

 

[Winger98]

is it only cause of the Holland to l.a stuff why people are suddenly talking about larkin being moved?

La is the only team really I can see as being an option if we dealt larkin if the kings are fed up of being outed in the first round 4-5 yrs in a row and want to make a big move
And are willing to move byfield. Yzerman won’t deal him for picks etc..

Elias Peterrsson? Larkin doesn’t wave for Vancouver

Anaheim for a mctavish? Again , larkin likely doesn’t waive there unless he’s content in a similar situation elsewhere if only for the weather. But don’t see it

Carolina won’t trade aho. Dallas won’t trade Wyatt Johnston. Larkin for beniers +? Makes no sense for Seattle. 5’8 Rossi ? Pass

Maybe I’m missing something but byfield is the only option that literally makes sense if we’re looking for a Center back in a deal as we should

Utah might be an option for the #4 pick + if we come out with Caleb desnoyers. Again, does he waive for Utah?

Don’t think he’s going anywhere

I doubt we get a significant center back for Larkin. Byfield is probably the best case scenario in that regard.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Utah is closer to the postseason so maybe Larkin would waive for them? Though the #4 is the only thing I’d want from them and this draft isn’t really too impressive to me. The #4 this year is probably only as good as the 8-12 in 2023 or 2024.

And I still argue that Byfield isn’t terrific as a center. Call me crazy but I like Rossi’s overall game and heads up play more than Byfield’s at center.

Ya I’d want more than the #4 pick but I’d be happy with desnoyers who I think could end up being a futur Bergeron type player. Fans would go nuts though cause I doubt we’d have a shot at the post season but would give us better odds at a McKenna and I don’t think we’d be too far off from contending especially if we signed a connor next summer and got lucky with McKenna

2026-2027

Connor Kasper raymond
McKenna desnoyers nygard

Lots of ifs I know

As for byfield and Rossi I wouldn’t want a 5’8 Center especially #1 c if Larkin’s gone. Even if larkin stays can we go anywhere with kane Raymond Rossi debrincat on the top 6 ? That’s not a group that scares anyone

 

[TKB]

is it only cause of the Holland to l.a stuff why people are suddenly talking about larkin being moved?

La is the only team really I can see as being an option if we dealt larkin if the kings are fed up of being outed in the first round 4-5 yrs in a row and want to make a big move
And are willing to move byfield. Yzerman won’t deal him for picks etc..

Elias Peterrsson? Larkin doesn’t wave for Vancouver

Anaheim for a mctavish? Again , larkin likely doesn’t waive there unless he’s content in a similar situation elsewhere if only for the weather. But don’t see it

Carolina won’t trade aho. Dallas won’t trade Wyatt Johnston. Larkin for beniers +? Makes no sense for Seattle. 5’8 Rossi ? Pass

Maybe I’m missing something but byfield is the only option that literally makes sense if we’re looking for a Center back in a deal as we should

Utah might be an option for the #4 pick + if we come out with Caleb desnoyers. Again, does he waive for Utah?

Don’t think he’s going anywhere

It's due to the latest update from Pete's late last night or early this morning. Further up the thread.

If it is true....and that is still a big if, I can't imagine DL is here this time next year.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

I doubt we get a significant center back for Larkin. Byfield is probably the best case scenario in that regard.

I wouldn’t hate byfield in a deal but ya there’s not many options for dealing larkin so unless Yzerman knows he can get something good for moving him just ignore the kid for now

 

[19 for president]

If Yzerman trades Larkin and doesn't get a really good young center back in the deal, I think its time to move on from Yzerman. If you can't build it into the timeline of this existing young core (Ie someone that is Ray's age) then you have failed as a GM.

The time for pure picks has passed. I don't see Larkin waiving for a non contender. LA and Clb would be on the edge for the that field. He'd probably do Clb to play with Werenski. He might consider LA as a good vet club to go on a push with and its a desirable area to some (I hated living in LA lol). Contenders don't typically have high picks, and drafting in the 20s doesn't push this team forward long term. The only teams above that I could see really falling out of the playoffs are LA and Clb and they also happen to be the only teams with a young center that might have #1 potential and "be available". So they are about the only partners I see as having real potential.

If Larkin gets rage traded for picks, I'm 100% done with the entire leadership group. After a decade out of the playoffs that isn't acceptable. You line me up a 20-23 year old center with #1 potential and a pick, I'm not thrilled but I can at least understand where we are going, and I'm willing to let this group develop.

 

[stillwater]

Ya I’d want more than the #4 pick but I’d be happy with desnoyers who I think could end up being a futur Bergeron type player. Fans would go nuts though cause I doubt we’d have a shot at the post season but would give us better odds at a McKenna and I don’t think we’d be too far off from contending especially if we signed a connor next summer and got lucky with McKenna

2026-2027

Connor Kasper raymond
McKenna desnoyers nygard

Lots of ifs I know

As for byfield and Rossi I wouldn’t want a 5’8 Center especially #1 c if Larkin’s gone. Even if larkin stays can we go anywhere with kane Raymond Rossi debrincat on the top 6 ? That’s not a group that scares anyone

Dylan Larkin doesn't scare anyone either.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Utah is closer to the postseason so maybe Larkin would waive for them? Though the #4 is the only thing I’d want from them and this draft isn’t really too impressive to me. The #4 this year is probably only as good as the 8-12 in 2023 or 2024.

And I still argue that Byfield isn’t terrific as a center. Call me crazy but I like Rossi’s overall game and heads up play more than Byfield’s at center.

I don’t like his defensive reach or ability to take away time and space. If we acquire Rossi I hope it is to play wing.

He can still take draws and add flexibility there. I am a known detractor but if the plan is to put him at LW, I am warming to this. He has the fight Yzerman talks about, I just get real skiddish on Kane then.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Dylan Larkin doesn't scare anyone either.

Never said he did, no one wants a 5’8#1c for the playoffs though

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Why does STL do that?

Its a starter. I'm sure they want more

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I don’t like his defensive reach or ability to take away time and space. If we acquire Rossi I hope it is to play wing.

Then how about McTavish + as a base? His two-way impact was pretty decent this year.

Comparing Larkin to McTavish - That save percentage is awful for Detroit.

Comparing Larkin to Byfield - Keep in mind that LA had a great defensive team this year.

Comparing Larkin to Rossi - Not too bad in comparison.

Man, Detroit really needs to stop taking so many damn faceoffs in their zone.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

For13 OA, absolutely, but we all know that isn't going to get it done. People need to start asking who exactly would want our 13OA pick? MN is too close to win now mode I suspect.

Hi! Wild fan here searching for what is going with Larkin, but seem to have stumbled on some Rossi discussion.

My personal opinion is that the Wild are looking for a hockey trade type of move for Rossi. Something like Peterka for Rossi. I doubt they would have much interest in a non top 10 draft pick. I could see them offering up Rossi++ for Larkin if he is available.

Leads me to my second point. What’s going on with Larkin and is he available for trade?

 

[stillwater]

Never said he did, no one wants a 5’8#1c for the playoffs though

No one said he needs to be the #1 center. A Rossi addition is all about what it costs you ... not how tall he is.

You cannot just look at team cumulative size in predicting a Stanley Cup winner.

Lots of small forwards have their names on the Stanley Cup. Henri Richard won more Cups than anyone ... 5'7''

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

No one said he needs to be the #1 center. A Rossi addition is all about what it costs you ... not how tall he is.

You cannot just look at team cumulative size in predicting a Stanley Cup winner.

Lots of small forwards have their names on the Stanley Cup. Henri Richard won more Cups than anyone ... 5'7''

Cool ... players back then weren’t as big as they are now. Your not going anywhere now with 4 top 6 forwards 6 feet and under and 2 5’8 guys

If you can find a cup winner with that roster not from the 60s I’ll gladly say I was wrong

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Cool ... players back then weren’t as big as they are now. Your not going anywhere now with 4 top 6 forwards 6 feet and under and 2 5’8 guys

If you can find a cup winner with that roster not from the 60s I’ll gladly say I was wrong

Yanni Gourde and Tyler Johnson on Tampa with Brayden Point as their top center at 5’10”. They were a pretty big team otherwise.

 

[stillwater]

So, again he's listed at 5'9 182. Lucas Raymond is listed 5'10 187. Pellikka 5'10 189, but that is generous if you've ever seen him. The NHL is all of 2 years removed of having Jonathon Marchessault as it's playoff MVP and Conn Smythe winner ... he's listed as shorter than Rossi.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Hi! Wild fan here searching for what is going with Larkin, but seem to have stumbled on some Rossi discussion.

My personal opinion is that the Wild are looking for a hockey trade type of move for Rossi. Something like Peterka for Rossi. I doubt they would have much interest in a non top 10 draft pick. I could see them offering up Rossi++ for Larkin if he is available.

Leads me to my second point. What’s going on with Larkin and is he available for trade?

Larkin and management may be unhappy with each other. Rumor has it that Larkin had a conversation with Cleary and Draper that rubbed the team the wrong way. He also made some comments in a press conference about being unhappy the team didn’t make any trade deadline moves to get better. Yzerman and McLellan responded that the leaders on the team needed to be better and that Yzerman didn’t like the prices at the TDL.

The wings forum is kind of divided on the situation; some saying Larkin is a whiner, some saying that Yzerman isn’t being aggressive enough in improving the team. I’m in the latter camp, but I’m also open to trading Larkin if the price is right. He’s a great player but not that future hall of famer franchise cornerstone.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Leads me to my second point. What’s going on with Larkin and is he available for trade?

In his end of season availability with the media, Larkin made some comments indicating he is unhappy with the state of the rebuild and the fact the organization wasn’t active at the trade deadline. So there’s some speculation he may want to play for an organization that is further along and would be better positioned for playoff hockey.

Complicating matters is he has a full NTC, so he would dictate where he would go. We know he’s popular with the USNTDP guys, so somewhere like NJ would seem to make sense, although who knows what they will have available after they inevitably trade for Quinn Hughes? He’s also close with Zach Werenski and the Blue Jackets have quite a few former U of M players, so that may be enticing despite the fact Columbus hasn’t quite morphed into being a consistent playoff contender just yet.

So it’s mostly just reading the tea leaves and making some educated guesses on what may happen. If Larkin is truly unhappy I have zero doubts in my mind that Yzerman will trade him, he’s not going to keep a captain who isn’t fully sold on the organization.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Then how about McTavish + as a base?

I've been spearheading this for about a month now. Love McTavish's game.

 

[schuelma24]

I've been spearheading this for about a month now. Love McTavish's game.

I like it too. I'm not sure Larkin would waive for Anaheim, unless he's convinced I guess that they're more serious about winning after hiring Quenneville?

 

[rangersblues]

Not to go too deep into it, but I think I have a bigger problem with the country club attitude of this front office. Yzerman’s pro scouting comments, the lack of progress from those within that department. Most of the staff are former Red Wings and I’m not sure they’re the best Red Wings he could have hired. (Maltby, Draper, Cleary, Fischer). The only two that seem to earn their keep are Lidstrom and Kronwall. Then we have Yzerman’s aggressive presser seeming very arrogant to me. He may not feel he’s on the hot seat because his contributions to the team 20-40 years ago, but he should.

Larkin has stuck around for 6 years being told we’d get better and that the team was going to be built around him only for Yzerman to get gun shy after 2023. Would DeBrincat even be a Red Wing if he didn’t force his way out? What would Yzerman have done if that move wasn’t there?

Maybe it’s not a lack of leadership from the players. Maybe the Wings ownership isn’t that great in the new NHL? And maybe our front office is f***ed up?

Bingo. And I think that's a big part of Larkin's frustration with the rebuild. Personally, after watching him play in the Four Nations Cup, we'd be crazy to trade him for the sake of getting him out of town.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Yanni Gourde and Tyler Johnson on Tampa with Brayden Point as their top center at 5’10”. They were a pretty big team otherwise.

I’ll give you that. Didn’t have 2 5’8 guys in the top 6 though and gourde was on the 3rd line, point is 5’11 not 5’8 and has shown for a while he’s one of the best in the league

I don’t think we want to have 3-4 guys under 6 feet on the top 6 if we want to be yearly cup contenders

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

I've been spearheading this for about a month now. Love McTavish's game.

Liked him for a while as well , unfortunately can’t see Anaheim willing to part with him at this moment

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

So, again he's listed at 5'9 182. Lucas Raymond is listed 5'10 187. Pellikka 5'10 189, but that is generous if you've ever seen him. The NHL is all of 2 years removed of having Jonathon Marchessault as it's playoff MVP and Conn Smythe winner ... he's listed as shorter than Rossi.

Never said I was against shorter players. Just don’t think we can have 4 on the top 6 and expect to win a cup on a yearly basis

 

[Winger98]

Yanni Gourde and Tyler Johnson on Tampa with Brayden Point as their top center at 5’10”. They were a pretty big team otherwise.

In the playoffs Tampa actually had 8 forwards play that year who were 6ft or under including Palat, Paquette, Kucherov, Stephens, and Coleman. Stephens only played 7 games, though. He and paquette were the only ones with IT outside of the top9. Kucherov, Pointe, Palat, and Gourde were in the top6.