Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[stillwater]

That's my preferred package but I don't think its a winning offer. I think another team beats it.



Teams often are granted permission to pre-negotiate contracts once the framework of a trade is agreed upon.

If he said, "Yes i will sign with you" would you be willing to pull the trigger for 13th?

Tough call. I'd wait.

If Eklund drops to 13, it's a win regardless of the draft lottery.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Would anyone trade 13th overall for Isaac Howard?

Na, at the end of the day Howard already knows where he wants to go. If its here we wait a year get him for nothing or else Tampa gets what were willing to give them

Pick 65 is the pick they'd get??? Let them fall back 11 spots and Send the 76th pick I think is what we have, toss them berggren and take on sheary for 1 year and send him to g.r and they save a mill + cap space

If not wait tampa can wait a year

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Ken Holland currently the top choice.

That would suggest they are not rebuilding.

 

[13to40]

Offer sheet Mathew Knies.

9M/7yrs

If we get him, automatically makes our forward group better and hurts Toronto. Giving up 1+2+3 for his calibre type of player I do all day every day.

If he accepts the offer but Toronto matches, we handicap Toronto salary cap wise for the next few years, or it forces them to let Marner walk, or minimal space to sign depth.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Mrazek & a 3rd for demko ...he’s damaged goods I can’t imagine anyone gives vancouver a big package for him with one year left

Trade the 13th pick back 4-6 spots and add a 2nd... use the 17-19th pick with wallinder for Romanov

Buyout holl , buyout tarasenko or preferably get a 3rd team involved for a double retention and get the futures... find a taker for chiarot,compher,Rasmussen

If rangers are so desperate for cap space toss us pick 43 and we’ll take kreider for 2 yrs, this team desperately needs size anyways

Get a team to trade for xhekaj and flip him to us


Won’t happen but I’d say we need to flush out a nice chunk of guys and replace them


kreider larkin raymond
debrincat Kasper Soderblom
Lombardi danielson kane
Jeannot copp sprong
Watson


Romanov seider
Edvinsson asp
Xhekaj johansson
Gustafson

Demko
Talbot

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Offer sheet Mathew Knies.

9M/7yrs

If we get him, automatically makes our forward group better and hurts Toronto. Giving up 1+2+3 for his calibre type of player I do all day every day.

If he accepts the offer but Toronto matches, we handicap Toronto salary cap wise for the next few years, or it forces them to let Marner walk, or minimal space to sign depth.

Wish but leafs won’t let him go lol ... theyll let marner or Tavares walk before knives

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Offer sheet Mathew Knies.

9M/7yrs

If we get him, automatically makes our forward group better and hurts Toronto. Giving up 1+2+3 for his calibre type of player I do all day every day.

If he accepts the offer but Toronto matches, we handicap Toronto salary cap wise for the next few years, or it forces them to let Marner walk, or minimal space to sign depth.

Those would all have to be 2026 picks.

Also, Offer sheets are calculated differently.

For offer sheets, AAV is calculated slightly differently than for salary cap purposes. While a player can sign a deal for up to seven years, for compensation purposes, the AAV is capped at a five-year maximum. For example, a seven-year, $35 million deal would have a $5 million cap hit, but for compensation, the AAV would be calculated as $7 million ($35M/5), requiring a first-, second-, and third-round pick based on the 2024 compensation table.

Explaining how offer sheets work in the NHL - Sound Of Hockey

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[wingsfannnn9191]

In French but basically rumours intensifying in ny ... didn’t think he’d be available but considering the whole team sucked last season and he had nearly 60 pts and 28 goals and will turn 24 only in I’d take the gamble on lafraniere

Lafraniere larkin raymond could work

https://www.journaldequebec.com/2025/05/06/les-rumeurs-du-depart-dalexis-lafreniere-sintensifient-a-new-york

 

[Oddbob]

Would anyone trade 13th overall for Isaac Howard?

No way. He was a late 1st rounder, his value hasn't jumped just because of a good NCAA season and wanting a guaranteed NHL spot. Berggren and a 2nd or something, sure.

 

[Oddbob]

In French but basically rumours intensifying in ny ... didn’t think he’d be available but considering the whole team sucked last season and he had nearly 60 pts and 28 goals and will turn 24 only in I’d take the gamble on lafraniere

Lafraniere larkin raymond could work

https://www.journaldequebec.com/2025/05/06/les-rumeurs-du-depart-dalexis-lafreniere-sintensifient-a-new-york

Meh. Last year it looked like he was getting it going, and then this year he regressed. I like some of his game, but his finishing reminds me of Zadina. While doing a lot of the right things, he just can't finish enough plays.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Meh. Last year it looked like he was getting it going, and then this year he regressed. I like some of his game, but his finishing reminds me of Zadina. While doing a lot of the right things, he just can't finish enough plays.

The whole team pretty much sucked though. Obviously wouldn't pay a huge price but I'd take a gamble on him

Think he could get 60+ on the top line at least

 

[Lampedampe]

Will be interesting to see what Islanders does, the 1st OA could entice them to rebuild on the fly.

If they decide to tear it down, Pelech would be a interesting player to go after. Good contract, and great on the PK. He'll go from NTC to MNTC next season.

Not sure what a reasonable price is.

 

[ridilon]

EVERYONE will be ready to spend 7.6. You need to outbid the rest, and that’s why you have to spend more.

Maybe. Of the top 25 contracts by AAV last off-season, the site correctly predicted 4 (within $100k), was under actual on 13 and was over actual on 8. Sometimes people stayed for less like Reinhart, Hronek, or Byfield. Sometimes they stayed and got more like Seider and Raymond. Some left for less $$ such as Montour and Skjei and some left for more $$ like Lindholm or Stamkos. I think the site does a pretty decent job and if we have to overpay for Ehlers, perhaps we can underpay for Gavrikov or Provorov. If we get Bennett for less, maybe we pay more for Ekblad. All I'm saying is we can get two impact players. One F and one D and we can still add another D or F in the lower-mid range (such as Kane). If we end up with trash UFA signings like last year then I'm officially soured on Stevie as GM.

 

[jkutswings]

Assuming that Larkin remains with the team for the foreseeable future, I think it's borderline ridiculous to keep the pick at 13. Yzerman needs to make up his damn mind: either start moving this thing forward by adding a better quality of NHL players, or admit that Larkin (and possibly Debrincat) doesn't fit the timeline, and rebuild the rebuild.

It's really tough to win a Stanley Cup, even with a great roster. So I'm not holding Detroit to that standard (win it all, or the rebuild is a failure). But to me, a truly successful rebuild means that you're regularly a threat to win your division and you're regularly a threat to reach the conference finals. And even once all the kids are on the team, I just don't see a roster anywhere near that caliber. The current trajectory screams bubble team, at best making the second round here and there.

Either get better now or reshuffle to have a higher ceiling down the road. But so far it looks like this will be taking a decade to just build a wild card team, and that's a pretty sad outcome for that many years of hoarding picks and putting a mediocre product on the ice.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Assuming that Larkin remains with the team for the foreseeable future, I think it's borderline ridiculous to keep the pick at 13. Yzerman needs to make up his damn mind: either start moving this thing forward by adding a better quality of NHL players, or admit that Larkin (and possibly Debrincat) doesn't fit the timeline, and rebuild the rebuild.

It's really tough to win a Stanley Cup, even with a great roster. So I'm not holding Detroit to that standard (win it all, or the rebuild is a failure). But to me, a truly successful rebuild means that you're regularly a threat to win your division and you're regularly a threat to reach the conference finals. And even once all the kids are on the team, I just don't see a roster anywhere near that caliber. The current trajectory screams bubble team, at best making the second round here and there.

Either get better now or reshuffle to have a higher ceiling down the road. But so far it looks like this will be taking a decade to just build a wild card team, and that's a pretty sad outcome for that many years of hoarding picks and putting a mediocre product on the ice.

I have np moving the pick but it has to be for someone we want and can be a part of the team longterm. Cant force an islanders to deal romanov if they dont want to move him yet or whomever

Wouldn't trade the pick for like a rackell who's what 32?? Or someone like a crouse who has 2 yrs left on his deal

Would the rangers deal us k'andre miller?? Not sure. I'd 100% move the pick but I won't move it for the sake of moving it

Maybe Larkin should try to be a better leader than wearing a bib and drooling in the Locker room when he tries to speak

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

Kyle Connor is the one I've earmarked. If he isn't gonna sign a new deal in Winnipeg, they might wanna get something for him before he leaves as a UFA in Summer of '26.

 

[SoupGuru]

I think it's time to call the Sharks and cash in those future considerations to make all of our problems go away.

 

[Winger98]

Kyle Connor is the one I've earmarked. If he isn't gonna sign a new deal in Winnipeg, they might wanna get something for him before he leaves as a UFA in Summer of '26.

They're not going to want picks. Ideally, they see some value in Ras and he can be a good chunk of the deal for us. Then I think you're hoping you can sell them on some combo of Lombardi, Berggren, Soderblom, Mazur with the 1st as a sweetener (but not the centerpiece of the deal). I think they push for Nygaard and Danielson, neither of which I'd be thrilled with moving.

For all of the push for trades, our "do not trade list" would be interesting. For instance, I don't think we can afford to deal Cossa, Augustine, or Danielson. Nygaard would probably be on that list. Probably Buch.

 

[izlez]

They're not going to want picks. Ideally, they see some value in Ras and he can be a good chunk of the deal for us. Then I think you're hoping you can sell them on some combo of Lombardi, Berggren, Soderblom, Mazur with the 1st as a sweetener (but not the centerpiece of the deal). I think they push for Nygaard and Danielson, neither of which I'd be thrilled with moving.

For all of the push for trades, our "do not trade list" would be interesting. For instance, I don't think we can afford to deal Cossa, Augustine, or Danielson. Nygaard would probably be on that list. Probably Buch.

Am I reading this right?
Rasmussen, Berggren, 13th overall for Kyle Connor?

 

[RedHawkDown]

They're not going to want picks. Ideally, they see some value in Ras and he can be a good chunk of the deal for us. Then I think you're hoping you can sell them on some combo of Lombardi, Berggren, Soderblom, Mazur with the 1st as a sweetener (but not the centerpiece of the deal). I think they push for Nygaard and Danielson, neither of which I'd be thrilled with moving.

For all of the push for trades, our "do not trade list" would be interesting. For instance, I don't think we can afford to deal Cossa, Augustine, or Danielson. Nygaard would probably be on that list. Probably Buch.

Uh, are we talking about the same player? The same Kyle Connor that just scored 97 points and has 12 pts in 7 playoff games?

It's going to take MBN/Danielson + 1st as a baseline starting point, and then add from there. Likely Kasper would have to be included. Buffalo wanted Kasper for Cozens, you're telling me Winnipeg will trade a 10x better player for Rasmussen and scraps?

 

[jkutswings]

They're not going to want picks. Ideally, they see some value in Ras and he can be a good chunk of the deal for us. Then I think you're hoping you can sell them on some combo of Lombardi, Berggren, Soderblom, Mazur with the 1st as a sweetener (but not the centerpiece of the deal). I think they push for Nygaard and Danielson, neither of which I'd be thrilled with moving.

For all of the push for trades, our "do not trade list" would be interesting. For instance, I don't think we can afford to deal Cossa, Augustine, or Danielson. Nygaard would probably be on that list. Probably Buch.

I'd deal MBN in a heartbeat for a player like Connor, assuming he gets extended. Detroit needs to stop clutching their pearls as if every pick will eventually be a major difference maker.

In this scenario, if Winnipeg was willing to accept something like Ras, MBN, Berggren, and a 1st, I do that deal all day long. To me, that's very similar to the Debrincat trade - I'm not missing any of those assets versus what ADB brings to the table (and Connor is an even better player).

 

[Winger98]

Uh, are we talking about the same player? The same Kyle Connor that just scored 97 points and has 12 pts in 7 playoff games?

It's going to take MBN/Danielson + 1st as a baseline starting point, and then add from there. Likely Kasper would have to be included. Buffalo wanted Kasper for Cozens, you're telling me Winnipeg will trade a 10x better player for Rasmussen and scraps?

When they were asking for Kasper, Kasper was our 4c and the idea of sending him back to GR was looking possible just to get him minutes. Deal him and we're adding a wing and going back to Copp/Compher at 2c. This is why Danielson is on my do not trade list. We're not deep enough at center to deal from that position, and why Nygaard is on my maybe list. We are deep at wing, but we are really thin at guy that are physical at all.

I'd deal MBN in a heartbeat for a player like Connor, assuming he gets extended. Detroit needs to stop clutching their pearls as if every pick will eventually be a major difference maker.

In this scenario, if Winnipeg was willing to accept something like Ras, MBN, Berggren, and a 1st, I do that deal all day long. To me, that's very similar to the Debrincat trade - I'm not missing any of those assets versus what ADB brings to the table (and Connor is an even better player).

I'd try to move off MBN, though I'd do it if we were sure Connor would re-sign here. Unless there is a contract in place, I view Connor as a trade for a UFA to be and I wouldn't spend an asset like Nygaard on someone who can walk in a season.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Sharks have a ton of young forwards already in the system ... we all love asp but would anyone do a package centered around the 13th pick and pellika to then take misa?

Johansson has clearly worked with edvinsson and we can just keep him there and concentrate on finding seider’s partner