It’s absolutely a long shot that I don’t expect to happen and yet still a better plan than overpaying second line talent like boeser, provorov, Bennett etc. (who are all good players but not worth the money their about to get)
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It’s absolutely a long shot that I don’t expect to happen and yet still a better plan than overpaying second line talent like boeser, provorov, Bennett etc. (who are all good players but not worth the money their about to get)
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Fix the defense this summer and then get Kyle Connor next summer.
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I guess I'm on the flip side of that. I don't feel it's worth it to pay a guy McKinnon, Draisaital, McDavid level money when they don't come close to doing what those guys do in the post season.
That’s a good point. I love the way Connor and Leon find a way to somehow elevate their games in playoffs. They really are beasts.
I don’t think it stops me from going hard after Marner though. He’s still pretty well a point/game guy which is no slouch. I think if you get him out of the pressure cooker of Toronto he could do even better.
I do appreciate the angle that “it’s so unlikely it’s hardly worth thinking much about”
Maybe we can just get mcdavid when he double crosses draisaitl after l.a knocks out edm and they fail in 2026 as well
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He’s gonna get more than 7. Don’t be surprised if he gets close to 8 or more.
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- put me down for dumping compher this summer
- plus buying tank and holl out
- yzerman has to add a RD
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- plus buying tank and holl out
- yzerman has to add a RD
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i want sidez to have a real partner watching his back and lessening his work load , plus i want to have one of the top four 1st pairing in nhl to go along with our top line to create lots of minutes of elite level play next season for both the players and fans spirits ! line up with :
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for now i dont care about getting 2nd pairing perfect . though i want to get in playoffs and start the march towards challenging , i dont care about trying to ice a perfect roster yet because we dont have the goalies or forwards needed to compete yet anyway . though i wouldnt be adverse to trading the 2026 1st plus prospects for a mid 20's d to play on the 2nd pair with aljo creating a competitive pairing .
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Can't expectations change? That's the question I never see addressed with all the, "but the cupboard was so empty when Yzerman took over" talk.
Yes, Holland left him with a pile of crap.
Yes, he's done an amazing job with his first rounders.
Yes, it's supposed to take several years to rebuild.
But he HAS been here several years. And drafted well. And gotten the roster very close to making the playoffs.
So why can't the bar go higher, and now expect to reach the next logical milestone?
For a detailed answer to your question, I originally expected the roster to be terrible the first 3-4 years, then to be a bubble team for a couple years, then to be a playoff team for a couple years, then to start going on deep playoff runs (so around 8 years for the entire rebuild). But again, if they're a year or two ahead of schedule, I don't consider that season house money with no expectations. The bar goes up and I expect them to keep advancing.
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I wonder if Copp or Compher would be interesting for a team like San Jose or Chicago, since they need to get up to the cap floor.
They're both decent 3rd line centers, and with the cap going up i reckon teams will start paying around 6 million for 3rd line centers in the UFA. Especially seeing how Lindholm got 7.7.
I'm all for keeping them though, pretty versatile players that can move up and down the line-up. I don't see them blocking any players.
They're both decent 3rd line centers, and with the cap going up i reckon teams will start paying around 6 million for 3rd line centers in the UFA. Especially seeing how Lindholm got 7.7.
I'm all for keeping them though, pretty versatile players that can move up and down the line-up. I don't see them blocking any players.
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One of them has to go, all things considered, copp is the better player. Even if he puts up less points he’s more valuable for his all around game. Copp can be a 3c or 4c for us next year. 2 of the 4 of copp, tarasenko, compher, and Rasmussen need to be gone though.
The bar has gotten higher - they’ve been in the playoff hunt into the last month two years in a row, they fired a coach after failing to follow that up with a good start, and it will continue to get higher.
Moreover, my issue is people pointing to “8 years out of the playoffs - no NHL GM has a leash that long” as if they all had the goal of making playoffs and it was all a failure. The goal was literally to be bad bad for 3-4 years. Including those 4 years as an “yzerman failure” is nonsensical. He literally did what he said he was going to do.
And on the other side of it, your timeline is ideal but is it realistic for a team starting close to scratch and picking higher than 6 one time? Sometimes you don’t get the lucky brakes and it takes longer.
Henkka
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Yzerman 1st year.
- Only Dylan Larkin was on that team.
Yzerman 2nd year.
- Larkin
- Rasmussen promoted for 40 games.
- (Veleno promoted for 5 games)
Yzerman 3rd year
- Larkin
- Rasmussen
- Seider promoted for full 82 games
- Raymond promoted for full 82 games
- (Veleno 66 games)
Yzerman 4th year
- Larkin
- Rasmussen
- Seider
- Raymond
- (Veleno)
- Berggren first taste
- Söderblom first taste
- Edvinsson 9 games
- Kasper 1 game
Yzerman 5th year
- Larkin
- Rasmussen
- Seider
- Raymond
- (veleno)
- Berggren 12 games
- Edvinsson 9 games
Yzerman 6th year
- Larkin
- Rasmussen
- Seider
- Raymond
- Kasper full year
- Berggren full year
- Edvinsson full year
- Johansson for 60 games
- (Veleno traded)
- Söderblom 2nd try
- Mazur 1 game
That's the plan, going towards our own youth and how it's going. Bringin up more youth. Cossa, Danielson, ASP, MBN next etc. Buch, Lombardi.
- Only Dylan Larkin was on that team.
Yzerman 2nd year.
- Larkin
- Rasmussen promoted for 40 games.
- (Veleno promoted for 5 games)
Yzerman 3rd year
- Larkin
- Rasmussen
- Seider promoted for full 82 games
- Raymond promoted for full 82 games
- (Veleno 66 games)
Yzerman 4th year
- Larkin
- Rasmussen
- Seider
- Raymond
- (Veleno)
- Berggren first taste
- Söderblom first taste
- Edvinsson 9 games
- Kasper 1 game
Yzerman 5th year
- Larkin
- Rasmussen
- Seider
- Raymond
- (veleno)
- Berggren 12 games
- Edvinsson 9 games
Yzerman 6th year
- Larkin
- Rasmussen
- Seider
- Raymond
- Kasper full year
- Berggren full year
- Edvinsson full year
- Johansson for 60 games
- (Veleno traded)
- Söderblom 2nd try
- Mazur 1 game
That's the plan, going towards our own youth and how it's going. Bringin up more youth. Cossa, Danielson, ASP, MBN next etc. Buch, Lombardi.
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yep, because it wasn't long ago we didn't have internal options for those open roster spots and instead had to sign Copp, Compher, Chia, etc. just to ice an NHL roster.Luxury?
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Fair.
Don't care. One can easily argue that most of Detroit's picks were better than if they had picked a couple slots higher anyway. Yzerman isn't being paid to just do a pretty good job given the circumstances.
Even if you're starting with the worst scenario in league history, within 8-10 years you should be able to at least create a team that can win a playoff round or two. As far as I'm concerned, the Wings have absolutely no excuse to miss the playoffs in 2025-26, so if there's yet another summer of minimal impact, he deserves to be on the hot seat.
Ulysses31
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will be happier for sure if they stand pat instead or signing a bunch more goofy/holl/tank level players.
IMO sign the best d man u can for the best deal factoring in everything whether it a LHd or a RHD.
hopefully holl/tank/goofy buried or discarded somehow.
gun for a high end talent like JT if hes available up front.
IMO sign the best d man u can for the best deal factoring in everything whether it a LHd or a RHD.
hopefully holl/tank/goofy buried or discarded somehow.
gun for a high end talent like JT if hes available up front.
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Tarasenko, Lagesson, Talbot, Fischer, Campbell, Watson, Dries, Motte, Gustafsson, Snively - the shaping of the roster during last free agency period, this while we handed Walman and a second rounder away and let Gostisbehere walk.
Yup one of those 2 need to go , I’d go with compher only causs he has one year more attached
Compher for Bertuzzi/kreider etc.. I don’t care who but he needs to go and hopefully not with assets attached. Tarasenko with a 3rd team involved double retention is the way to go to assure he’s gone. I think Yzerman hangs on to Rasmussen one more year but I don’t think he’s got any future here longterm unless it’s an overpaid 4th liner
I don't think we're getting better bringing in Bert/Kreider. If we can get a pick for Compher, take it and run. Better putting kids into those spots than guys like Bert/Kreider.
I doubt anyone’s taking compher with that contract and giving us a pick . We’d have to take a contract back. I’d rather have those 2 with 2 yrs left over compher 3 yrs left any time
Been pushing for the kids to play and stop being overripe for yrs but we still need to insert vets and I’d rather have those 2 like I said over a compher,tarasenko etc..
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That's alot of dough wasted on no ones; all short-term though. Hopefully this summer isn't a repeat.
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Dont see how marner fits into the team.
Raymond Kane and Mitch are too similar. And with Buch and Lombardi on the way we have the playmaker winger covered.
I like Bennett not to play center but to play the puck retrieval/net front role for the Larkin Raymond line. We have a massive hole on our top line. Bennett would be a great complimentary piece. I'd pay him 8 mill.
I wonder if Compher or Copp could play that role instead?
The only other move Id make is signing Orlov to round out the top 4.
Then you have to trust the kids can provide the depth.
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Raymond Kane and Mitch are too similar. And with Buch and Lombardi on the way we have the playmaker winger covered.
I like Bennett not to play center but to play the puck retrieval/net front role for the Larkin Raymond line. We have a massive hole on our top line. Bennett would be a great complimentary piece. I'd pay him 8 mill.
I wonder if Compher or Copp could play that role instead?
The only other move Id make is signing Orlov to round out the top 4.
Then you have to trust the kids can provide the depth.
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29 year old Neal Pionk gets a new 6 x $7M contract to stay in Winnipeg. He’s been their number 2 Dman.
If I can get Provorov or Gavrikov for that number I could live with it. In reality, several teams/GMs will be thinking similar. I’d bet the floor of this summers bidding war is 7.5M with GMs offering more than 8.
Are you guys willing to make them our 1st or 2nd highest paid dman? How does that fit with getting Edvinsson a long term contract? Can we have 3 dmen making more than 8+ long term?
If I can get Provorov or Gavrikov for that number I could live with it. In reality, several teams/GMs will be thinking similar. I’d bet the floor of this summers bidding war is 7.5M with GMs offering more than 8.
Are you guys willing to make them our 1st or 2nd highest paid dman? How does that fit with getting Edvinsson a long term contract? Can we have 3 dmen making more than 8+ long term?
