Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Both barely ever played in 07-08.

McCarty barely played. Downey played 56 games.

 

[Ulysses31]

DBC - Larkin - Kane
Danielson-Kasper-Raymond
soderblom-rasmussen-berggren or maybe lombardi
compher-copp-mazur (shut down line, maybe play as much or more as 3rd line)

IMO thats not bad and thats more even adding anyone. Maybe add 1 big ticket foward to push danielson down the lineup. Hopefully tank can be dumped or buried.

For D hopefully holl and gus dumped or buried which brings us to DRW biggest need, a LHD partner (would b interesting to see aljo there) for seider OR a solid enough RHD to carry the second pair to bump ed back with seider.

so either

UFA X - Seider
ed - aljo
chiarot - tuomisto/ASP

OR

Ed - seider
aljo - UFA X
chiarot - tuomisto/ASP

 

[Frk It]

McCarty barely played. Downey played 56 games.

Don't think Downey played a game in the playoffs and Mccarty played 6 min a night in the playoffs.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Don't think Downey played a game in the playoffs and Mccarty played 6 min a night in the playoffs.

True. I was referring to the whole season. That 08 team was still tougher than the current roster.

 

[Frk It]

True. I was referring to the whole season. That 08 team was still tougher than the current roster.

Eh, maybe. Not by much. They got even against more physical teams by owning the puck and making them dig the puck out of their own net. Would love to get back to that.

 

[datsyukfan]

DBC - Larkin - Kane
Danielson-Kasper-Raymond
soderblom-rasmussen-berggren or maybe lombardi
compher-copp-mazur (shut down line, maybe play as much or more as 3rd line)

IMO thats not bad and thats more even adding anyone. Maybe add 1 big ticket foward to push danielson down the lineup. Hopefully tank can be dumped or buried.

For D hopefully holl and gus dumped or buried which brings us to DRW biggest need, a LHD partner (would b interesting to see aljo there) for seider OR a solid enough RHD to carry the second pair to bump ed back with seider.

so either

UFA X - Seider
ed - aljo
chiarot - tuomisto/ASP

OR

Ed - seider
aljo - UFA X
chiarot - tuomisto/ASP

No reason for a top 6F not to be added to this lineup.

 

[Winger98]

they also had Dallas Drake and guys who would drop the gloves on occasion like Lilja, Abby, Ericsson, Quincey, Stuart.

Honestly that 2008 team would beat the snot out of the current roster. Which says a lot about the current roster.

They also had guys like Kronwall, Samuelsson, Franzen, and Cleary who may not have fought all of the time (though Cleary dropping with Pronger was crazy) who took the body and went to the net and corners. That 08 team had a lot of grit to it.

 

[Ulysses31]

No reason for a top 6F not to be added to this lineup.

I would favor marner (no way SY will pay the 15mil aav price tag) or Tavares (doubtful he leaves the leafs esp if marner does). W

Ehlers is a great skater. Havent watched him much in recent years. He has games where he has looked like a world beater. Havent watched enough jets to say 1 way or another if he will be worth the 8mil plus x 7 contract he will demand.

Have same problem with D. Almost exclusively watch DRW related hockey so dont have much of an opinion on who the good ufa D are.

 

[SantosHalper]

Maybe snag Donato from the Hawks as a cheap bottom 6 option?

The season he's had, it won't be cheap option and the dude is 29. He's looking for term as well. Top UFAs sign somewhere else, pointless to even dream about them.

I'd say the youth movement is the way to go, Danielson, Mazur & Lombardi. They push the vets down in the lineup. D-man would be nice to get but easier said than done.

 

[Pavels Dog]

DBC - Larkin - Kane
Danielson-Kasper-Raymond
soderblom-rasmussen-berggren or maybe lombardi
compher-copp-mazur (shut down line, maybe play as much or more as 3rd line)

IMO thats not bad and thats more even adding anyone.

Going into next season with this forward lineup would actually get me to consider firing Yzerman.

 

[datsyukfan]

I would favor marner (no way SY will pay the 15mil aav price tag) or Tavares (doubtful he leaves the leafs esp if marner does). W

Ehlers is a great skater. Havent watched him much in recent years. He has games where he has looked like a world beater. Havent watched enough jets to say 1 way or another if he will be worth the 8mil plus x 7 contract he will demand.

Have same problem with D. Almost exclusively watch DRW related hockey so dont have much of an opinion on who the good ufa D are.

I wouldn’t even think twice about giving Marner 15X7. Is it an overpay?? Absolutely, but it’s the easiest way to get an extremely elite player while not touching any of our picks/prospects. Cap will keep going up so the deal in 3-4 years won’t even look bad

 

[datsyukfan]

I would favor marner (no way SY will pay the 15mil aav price tag) or Tavares (doubtful he leaves the leafs esp if marner does). W

Ehlers is a great skater. Havent watched him much in recent years. He has games where he has looked like a world beater. Havent watched enough jets to say 1 way or another if he will be worth the 8mil plus x 7 contract he will demand.

Have same problem with D. Almost exclusively watch DRW related hockey so dont have much of an opinion on who the good ufa D are.

I wouldn’t even think twice about giving Marner 15X7. Is it an overpay?? Absolutely, but it’s the easiest way to get an extremely elite player while not touching any of our picks/prospects. Cap will keep going up so the deal in 3-4 years won’t even look bad

 

[RabidBadger]

I wouldn’t even think twice about giving Marner 15X7. Is it an overpay?? Absolutely, but it’s the easiest way to get an extremely elite player while not touching any of our picks/prospects. Cap will keep going up so the deal in 3-4 years won’t even look bad

There's very little danger of Marner coming here. I don't see why so many posters here are willing to pay a king's ransom for a guy who has to be one of the biggest playoff disappointments in modern history.

 

[datsyukfan]

There's very little danger of Marner coming here. I don't see why so many posters here are willing to pay a king's ransom for a guy who has to be one of the biggest playoff disappointments in modern history.

At least he actually plays in the playoffs, you need to get there before worrying about what he does when we get there. If you don’t like Marner that’s fine but please tell me who we can get then because right now he’s the only option I can see us getting that’s a superstar without selling the farm.

 

[Winger98]

There's very little danger of Marner coming here. I don't see why so many posters here are willing to pay a king's ransom for a guy who has to be one of the biggest playoff disappointments in modern history.

Player A: .72 ppg and .25 goals per game over his career in the playoffs. .77 ppg and .31 gpg for his career thru his time with the wings.
Marner: .87 ppg and .19 goals per game over his career in the playoffs.

Player A is a guy this board thru a fit over not re-signing for years, griping about how we screwed up so royally not keeping him because of how great of a player he was. It was Marian Hossa.

Is it a perfect 1v1 comparison? No, Hossa was more of a goal scorer and, later in his career, was given more credit defensively. But their playoff numbers aren't crazy off, and it's not like Marner doesn't get Selke votes every year.

I agree, Marner is very unlikely to even consider us, but we'd be nuts to not throw a contract at him if he's looking to sign.

 

[RabidBadger]

At least he actually plays in the playoffs, you need to get there before worrying about what he does when we get there. If you don’t like Marner that’s fine but please tell me who we can get then because right now he’s the only option I can see us getting that’s a superstar without selling the farm.

$15 mil per year is not selling the farm? Okay. That's nearly double what our highest paid players are getting. And I don't care to follow Toronto's example of just getting to the playoffs. I'd rather see a roster constructed for deep runs, not just to get there. Just getting there is what Holland did.

I'm not naming someone in lieu of Marner because I'm not banging the drum to acquire someone like that...I'm in complete opposition to it. I would make an aggressive move to get someone like Byram to shore up the D because I think that ultimately does more good for us than opening up the vaults for a candy-ass that disappears every spring. If you're going to shell out one of the highest contracts in the NHL it better be for a guy that can put a team on his back.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

There's very little danger of Marner coming here. I don't see why so many posters here are willing to pay a king's ransom for a guy who has to be one of the biggest playoff disappointments in modern history.

I understand not wanting to pay a kings ransom, but for his career Marner has 50 points in 57 playoff games. That's far from terrible. And it's not like Toronto is full of guys who step up in the playoffs so it's hard to know for sure what he'd be like on a different team.

All that being said I'm guessing some team is gonna pay an insane amount for him and its not gonna be the Wings.

 

[RabidBadger]

I understand not wanting to pay a kings ransom, but for his career Marner has 50 points in 57 playoff games. That's far from terrible. And it's not like Toronto is full of guys who step up in the playoffs so it's hard to know for sure what he'd be like on a different team.

All that being said I'm guessing some team is gonna pay an insane amount for him and its not gonna be the Wings.

It's not terrible, but if you're paying one of the highest salaries in the NHL it should be for a guy that can put a team on his back.

Agreed though: this is a moot exercise as some other fool will end up paying him.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

It's not terrible, but if you're paying one of the highest salaries in the NHL it should be for a guy that can put a team on his back.

Agreed though: this is a moot exercise as some other fool will end up paying him.

Dare I ask your plan for acquiring someone who can put the team on his back?

 

[GMR]

Going into next season with this forward lineup would actually get me to consider firing Yzerman.

Yeah, that's basically the same group as this season. In other words, small, soft, and easy to play against. And even the biggest forwards don't play a physical game.

 

[datsyukfan]

$15 mil per year is not selling the farm? Okay. That's nearly double what our highest paid players are getting. And I don't care to follow Toronto's example of just getting to the playoffs. I'd rather see a roster constructed for deep runs, not just to get there. Just getting there is what Holland did.

I'm not naming someone in lieu of Marner because I'm not banging the drum to acquire someone like that...I'm in complete opposition to it. I would make an aggressive move to get someone like Byram to shore up the D because I think that ultimately does more good for us than opening up the vaults for a candy-ass that disappears every spring. If you're going to shell out one of the highest contracts in the NHL it better be for a guy that can put a team on his back.

You aren’t going to win a cup if you don’t have a superstar, it’s extremely rare. So my question would be who are you going to get instead of Marner and how? Marner could be available for just money. You don’t give up any picks or high end players/prospects to get him. With the cap increasing you can afford to overpay a guy like Marner. He is instantly our best player. And by the time year 3 hits his deal guys of similar and maybe even worse caliber are going to be making the same if not more money than him. If you have a chance to get an elite player you do it, that is what this team is missing.

 

[RabidBadger]

You aren’t going to win a cup if you don’t have a superstar, it’s extremely rare. So my question would be who are you going to get instead of Marner and how? Marner could be available for just money. You don’t give up any picks or high end players/prospects to get him. With the cap increasing you can afford to overpay a guy like Marner. He is instantly our best player. And by the time year 3 hits his deal guys of similar and maybe even worse caliber are going to be making the same if not more money than him. If you have a chance to get an elite player you do it, that is what this team is missing.

I understand fully your point about needing a superstar. Superstars who will lift a team to a cup generally do not hit UFA. It's a big red flag for me if Marner does. Aside from Pietrangelo I'm hard pressed to think of a UFA in modern times that truly got his team to the top.

If Marner came here and continued to regress in the post-season you, and every other poster, would turn on him like a pack of starved hyenas. I'm trying to save my beloved fellow posters the headache of thinking Marner is the answer. If he was, no way Toronto let's him hit the market.

 

[sepster]

Both barely ever played in 07-08.

False.

McCarty played in 17 of the 22 playoff games. Drake in all 22.

They weren't a goon squad, but the team had players on the roster playing every night that didn't let games get out of control or the skill players to get continually manhandled.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

If an original six franchise's plan after 9 consecutive years of no playoffs is transition the GM role from Yzerman to Draper then that franchise is in serious trouble...

If SY eyes the role of president then he first must complete the rebuild and ensure the franchise is on solid footing and not jump ship before then..

If it takes another season of loser hockey so be it..

 

[datsyukfan]

I understand fully your point about needing a superstar. Superstars who will lift a team to a cup generally do not hit UFA. It's a big red flag for me if Marner does. Aside from Pietrangelo I'm hard pressed to think of a UFA in modern times that truly got his team to the top.

If Marner came here and continued to regress in the post-season you, and every other poster, would turn on him like a pack of starved hyenas. I'm trying to save my beloved fellow posters the headache of thinking Marner is the answer. If he was, no way Toronto let's him hit the market.

I’ll take my chances with an elite player who gets selke votes every year. Hell datsyuk and Zetterberg struggled a hell of a lot more in their early playoff days then Marner has.