Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[Redwing66]

We’ve had so many unproductive pieces that needed to be traded Veleno, Rasmussen and Bergrenn types and so many meh vets like Tarasenko, Motte, Petry, Holl signed it’s amazing we sniffed the playoffs. Offseasons and trade deadlines come and go with no change. We spent all last offseason waiting for the Raymond/Seider signing.

 

[Lampedampe]

Never really been in the fire Yzeman crowd, but seeing Holl stink it up out there. Really makes me think it should be a fire worthy offence, could be seen a mile away aswell.

Not quite there yet, but he NEEDS to fix this defense in the off-season.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

My opinion is if Yzerman signed better UFAs, Wings would be in the playoffs. I get why he signed some of the UFAs, but I think Holl proves he thought the rebuild was going to take longer.

I think he is just sticking with the original timeline. He won't give up draft picks, and if he does, he uses a replaced pick. That tells me he is still stacking.

When he is ready to unleash, I believe he will start doing real hockey trades. People on the main boards slam this, but I think he is in a holding pattern with Chris I's blessing.

That’s great, but the players dictate the timeline. Ignoring results when your top take talent is screaming they’re ready for more is foolish. If this team stays in a holding pattern this offseason then I wouldn’t hold it against any of our best guys for wanting out.

Just a quick aside; Cam Fowler has been killing it on the blues. He was traded with a 2027 4th for a long shot D prospect and a 2027 2nd. That’s a minuscule price to pay for a solid #2 D.

 

[USAHockey97]

So I have to wonder. Has Ottawa and Montreal passed Detroit in the rebuild? I thought I saw a TSN panel saying Detroit mostly likely to have to rebuild their rebuild due to lack of high end talent.

 

[weklof]

So I have to wonder. Has Ottawa and Montreal passed Detroit in the rebuild? I thought I saw a TSN panel saying Detroit mostly likely to have to rebuild their rebuild due to lack of high end talent.

It is getting into that territory. Larkin is in the middle of his prime right now, and we we're still not making the playoffs. This team won't be ready to contend while he is in his prime, so we probably need to find another #1C, which you usually only at the top of the draft.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

So I have to wonder. Has Ottawa and Montreal passed Detroit in the rebuild? I thought I saw a TSN panel saying Detroit mostly likely to have to rebuild their rebuild due to lack of high end talent.

It'd be shocking if at least OTT had not by now. Since they did not spend 2 top10 selections on Zadina and Rasmussen.

Most TSN guys do not know dick about the Wings and even less about their prospect pool. The window of this team is Raymond-Seider etc. anyway. I think you have 3-5 yrs left with Larkin and then you trade him for a younger piece. That is not a rebuild of a rebuild. Just retooling while the young core stays in place.

 

[datsyukfan]

That’s great, but the players dictate the timeline. Ignoring results when your top take talent is screaming they’re ready for more is foolish. If this team stays in a holding pattern this offseason then I wouldn’t hold it against any of our best guys for wanting out.

Just a quick aside; Cam Fowler has been killing it on the blues. He was traded with a 2027 4th for a long shot D prospect and a 2027 2nd. That’s a minuscule price to pay for a solid #2 D.

He just constantly lets opportunities pass him by without trying to improve the team. Don’t say he didn’t wanna give up the asset because he had 0 issues attaching a 2nd to give away walman.

 

[dragonballgtz]

It'd be shocking if at least OTT had not by now. Since they did not spend 2 top10 selections on Zadina and Rasmussen.

Most TSN guys do not know dick about the Wings and even less about their prospect pool. The window of this team is Raymond-Seider etc. anyway. I think you have 3-5 yrs left with Larkin and then you trade him for a younger piece. That is not a rebuild of a rebuild. Just retooling while the young core stays in place.

Larkin might get a younger player now but not 3 to 5 years from now. Either Yzerman adds a significant piece for next season or moving Larkin, if not in a playoff spot, starts to look good

 

[datsyukfan]

Larkin might get a younger player now but not 3 to 5 years from now. Either Yzerman adds a significant piece for next season or moving Larkin, if not in a playoff spot, starts to look good

I agree, pick a direction, if you don’t want to start being competitive now by using all avenues and acquiring a top 6F and top 4D then move Larkin for a couple young assets and draft pick and restart. If it’s me I’m acquiring that top 6F and top 4D, it can be done without mortgaging too much, this team has all the middle of the lineup prospects it needs, most being close to ready, but it lacks a star or 2

 

[Doublechin]

I've had the thought for a while, to build a year in year out contender needs a full rebuild. The past 25 years have proved to us that team drafting multiple top 5 picks within a couple years often end up being a high % contender

We saw the Penguins, Hawks, Capitals, Kings, Avalanche and Lightning accomplish that. The Oilers are another example that hasn't paid off but has given itself a massive boost in talent

There's probably one exception, the Bruins that hit home runs with the Bergeron, Marchand and Pastrnak picks which were all late firsts, 2nds and beyond

The other minor blip is the Blues winning it without any top picks besides Pietrangelo but that whole run was a Cinderella story.

The best GMs aren't the ones only drafting and trading for top talent but also the ones selling at the right time.

 

[Pavels Dog]

So I have to wonder. Has Ottawa and Montreal passed Detroit in the rebuild? I thought I saw a TSN panel saying Detroit mostly likely to have to rebuild their rebuild due to lack of high end talent.

Did Detroit pass them last year? I think this will continue to be a back and forth.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

I don't get rebuild the rebuild when you never left the rebuild. You still rebuild even if you are not bottom five.

I know it comes naturally but I don't like comparing our rebuild since ours is a little more unique with the been in the playoffs for a quarter of a century previously thing. It's shocking we even came out of that with Larkin, Mantha, Bertuzzi and Hronek.

 

[PelagicJoe]

We have the cap space, so I expect at least one big signing. Make an offer to Marner, Ehlers, and Provorov. Get ASP on the team, maybe Mazur. Maybe snag Donato from the Hawks as a cheap bottom 6 option? We are stuck with Copp, Compher, Tank, and Holl unless they waive their clauses. Find a sucker to trade Rasmussen and Gustavsson to.

Raymond-Larkin-Marner/Ehlers
Cat-Kasper-Kane
Soderblom-Compher-Tank
Mazur-Copp-Donato
Ras and Berggren I guess?

Provorov-Seider
Edvinsson-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson
Gustavsson & Holl can warm the chairs in the press box

Talbot
Mrazek

It's all just speculation. I doubt Marner wants to play for this dumpster fire of a team.

 

[cvaicunas]

So I have to wonder. Has Ottawa and Montreal passed Detroit in the rebuild? I thought I saw a TSN panel saying Detroit mostly likely to have to rebuild their rebuild due to lack of high end talent.

Ottawa's rebuild is over essentially and they are a bubble playoff team for the first time in years. I wouldn't be propping them up as a desirable goal.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Ottawa's rebuild is over essentially and they are a bubble playoff team for the first time in years. I wouldn't be propping them up as a desirable goal.

I was going to say that Ottawa should be ahead of us. They have been rebuilding for the better part of 15 years.

 

[DangerMouse]

I think the 100th anniversary thing may play a role in the pressure on Yzerman. The Wings have been out of the playoffs for 9 years, Yzerman has been in charge for six seasons, and (up until this season) the team has increased their point total every year he's been in charge (39, 48, 74, 80, 91, ??). I doubt they want to honor 100 years of hockey in Detroit with a soft tank.

I think they probably want to have a good year next year, celebrate 100 seasons, and finally make the playoffs. Aggressive offseason incoming?

 

[Run the Jewels]

If the goal is to win a Stanley cup, then it's time to blow it up and start the rebuild over. The organization in 2025 is no closer to winning a cup than it was in 2019. Seider and Raymond are great players, but if those are our best players moving forward, it's a failed rebuild.

This is sadly the level of analysis you come to expect on what was once a very good message board. I'd expect this sort of analysis from Detroit sports radio.

 

[datsyukfan]

This is sadly the level of analysis you come to expect on what was once a very good message board. I'd expect this sort of analysis from Detroit sports radio.

They don’t need to blow it up they need to get aggressive

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

So I have to wonder. Has Ottawa and Montreal passed Detroit in the rebuild? I thought I saw a TSN panel saying Detroit mostly likely to have to rebuild their rebuild due to lack of high end talent.

Honestly I don’t really care. What does it matter other than for trolling on the main boards and give the talking heads something to prattle on about in intermission?

There’s no award for fastest rebuild. I want a team that’s competing for the Cup.

 

[datsyukfan]

Honestly I don’t really care. What does it matter other than for trolling on the main boards and give the talking heads something to prattle on about in intermission?

There’s no award for fastest rebuild. I want a team that’s competing for the Cup.

Sure, but you gotta actually get to the dance first. We can’t even accomplish that under yzerman

 

[USAHockey97]

I want to see Raymond fight as much as I wanted to see Zetterberg fight.

Which is to say, I don’t.

We don’t need an entire team of goons. We have two big physical defenseman and we will have a few forwards who can dish it out. That’s all you need, I mean look at our roster last time we won a Cup.

Aaron Downey and Darren McCarty?

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Sure, but you gotta actually get to the dance first. We can’t even accomplish that under yzerman

Agreed. I’m not saying Yzerman shouldn’t be criticized. I just don’t care where people think other teams are at in their rebuilds. I only care about this one.

 

[Frk It]

Aaron Downey and Darren McCarty?

Both barely ever played in 07-08.

 

[datsyukfan]

Agreed. I’m not saying Yzerman shouldn’t be criticized. I just don’t care where people think other teams are at in their rebuilds. I only care about this one.

I agree in a sense but those teams are also our direct competition so it is kind of important

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Aaron Downey and Darren McCarty?

they also had Dallas Drake and guys who would drop the gloves on occasion like Lilja, Abby, Ericsson, Quincey, Stuart.

Honestly that 2008 team would beat the snot out of the current roster. Which says a lot about the current roster.