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Its a mistake engaging you ... I realize, but junk posts like this cannot go unchallenged.

1. Horcoff was a plumber. He was never worth the $5.5 extension the Oilers signed him to (with a NMC, lol), but he was like a son to MacT who groomed him in his own image from day one, and spoon fed him the best minutes he could dole out. That move was a disaster for the Oilers salary cap structure because who wouldn't pay a FOA like Hall more than a plumber like Horcoff. Then came Eberle and RNH who rightly demanded similar money. Bingo. Salary cap ****ed.

2. Horcoff was all about Horcoff. This was a guy who never took responsibility for anything despite wearing the C. He spent more time stroking his nose and trying to look senatorial in post game interviews than he ever did taking a hard look at his own weak play. That, combined with the way he gloried in his role with the PA make him a junk leader.

3. Horcoff is a verified drug cheat. In my experience with drug abusers, they never get caught the first time. I won't go ahead and leap to the kind of assumptions you are famous for on this site, but I think its fair to call his character into question.
1. Ference spent more time making sanctimonious posts on twitter than he did on the ice.

2. He was a known Eakins fanboy.

3. He was the first guy to skate to the bench when a team mate was getting pounded.

4. Who cares what he did ten years ago for a different franchise? Giving him the C was just another in a long list of Oiler blunders. In fact, even adding him to the team was a blunder.

You would think a poster such as yourself who claims to have insight into what makes a 'good' player would realize that development doesn't happen in a vacuum. It is absolutely fair to say that this franchise let down its lotto pick kids by giving them leadership that was well past prime and worse, self absorbed. Its staggering that you are unwilling to acknowledge the extent to which this impacted the young players on the team.


do you even see the hypocrasy? you're making random claims about those two players yet chatize others who make claims about hall... do you hall lovers/chia haters even hear yourselves? but i guess now you know how i feel when i see junk posts about hall go unchallenged.

hall was all about hall. all about his own points and didn't REALLy care about buying in to make the teamsuccessful as long as he got his points.

hall was a terrible teammate who was disliked and caused buy in and chemistry problems.

he was the first guy to slam his stick against the boards and berate his teammate for a bad pass (when he makes so many stupid ones himself)

i won't even get into the other claims that were similar to the one you made about horc.

hall spent more time at the bars on the road than in the hotel bed getting rested up.

see how this goes... we can make claims til the cows come home.
 
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what was the record with hall and mcdavid healthy? what was their gf and ga in that time? the oil finished basically dfl that year... in the league. ya connor missed 30 some games but DFL??? chia assessed the team, found out the biggest problem. Plucked him off the roster and went on to convincingly make the playoffs and had an almost great playoff run the next season.

Oh i dunno maybe the fact we didnt ice the opening day roster till Mar had something to do with it
 
My concern is this team is following the blueprint setup by Tavares-era Islanders ... dumb owner who lets incompetent management dither for years, content with the ultimate goal of just making the playoffs (which the Islanders did manage to do a couple of times), except we have the bonus of being capped out.
 
Oh i dunno maybe the fact we didnt ice the opening day roster till Mar had something to do with it
lame excuse for finishing pretty much dead last. maybe you'll care to answer the question that seeral others are avoiding because they know it makes hall look bad.

why did our AHL team do worse WITH hall (sub 500 team) and do much better when he f***** off and finish with an impressive 40-25-2-9 record?
 
Calling Hall a 65 point winger and then calling Larsson a #2 dman is a joke. We’ve seen Hall as a 80 point and 2x PPG+ player on the Oilers. Have people forgotten just how good that kid was here?
If you want to go down that road and diminish what Hall is you can’t compare Hall at his worse with Larsson at his absolute best. Larsson is a second pair one dimensional dman, he doesn’t have the offensive game to ever be a top pair guy and there’s nothing wrong with, he’s a key player on the Oilers and will be for years, that but he’s never been anywhere near Halls value

Hall had 38 points in 53 games and 65 points his final 2 seasons here so I stand by what I said that AT THE TIME, he was essentially a 60-65 point winger who had never scored 30 goals on a perennial loser so that's why he was only worth a Larsson at the time. Had they dealt him a few years earlier, it would have been a different story.

Larsson is a #2 and I'm sticking by that as well. You don't need an offensive game to be a #2D, plenty of shutdown defenders have played top pairing even strength minutes over the years and Larsson is no different. The reason why he's not a 23-24 minute guy is because he doesn't play on the PP but that doesn't mean he can't play on a top pairing and succeed. He was top pairing on the Devils before he was traded, many Devils fans called him their best Dman that season, and he played top pairing on a playoff contending Oiler team the next season. I'm not saying that he's as good as Hall and the Devils obviously got the better player, I'm just saying that it's disingenuous to say that the Oilers traded a Hart level player for a 2nd pairing Dman.
 
Hall had 38 points in 53 games and 65 points his final 2 seasons here so I stand by what I said that AT THE TIME, he was essentially a 60-65 point winger who had never scored 30 goals on a perennial loser so that's why he was only worth a Larsson at the time. Had they dealt him a few years earlier, it would have been a different story.

Larsson is a #2 and I'm sticking by that as well. You don't need an offensive game to be a #2D, plenty of shutdown defenders have played top pairing even strength minutes over the years and Larsson is no different. The reason why he's not a 23-24 minute guy is because he doesn't play on the PP but that doesn't mean he can't play on a top pairing and succeed. He was top pairing on the Devils before he was traded, many Devils fans called him their best Dman that season, and he played top pairing on a playoff contending Oiler team the next season. I'm not saying that he's as good as Hall, I'm just saying that it's disingenuous to say that the Oilers traded a Hart level player for a 2nd pairing Dman.

Larsson can play no.2 ... doesn't make him a great no.2. He's more ideally a no.3 d-man. Of which the Oilers already have like three or four of.
 
Larsson can play no.2 ... doesn't make him a great no.2. He's more ideally a no.3 d-man. Of which the Oilers already have like three or four of.

Why isn't he a good #2? When has he ever failed in that role outside of last season in which the entire team outside of one or two players was a disaster?

He's the only Oiler Dman who makes his D partner better and he's the only Oiler Dman who can handle tough matchups and actually come out ahead. Larsson has some limitations but he's really good at what he's supposed to be good at and maybe it's wishful thinking on my part but I think he has a little more offense to give. When he decides to put his head down and carry the puck into the offensive zone, he doesn't seem uncomfortable doing it. I'd like to see the coaches give him a bit more offensive freedom.
 
Why isn't he a good #2? When has he ever failed in that role outside of last season in which the entire team outside of one or two players was a disaster?

He's the only Oiler Dman who makes his D partner better and he's the only Oiler Dman who can handle tough matchups and actually come out ahead. Larsson has some limitations but he's really good at what he's supposed to be good at and maybe it's wishful thinking on my part but I think he has a little more offense to give. When he decides to put his head down and carry the puck into the offensive zone, he doesn't seem uncomfortable doing it. I'd like to see the coaches give him a bit more offensive freedom.

A no.2 should be capable of moving the needle more than 13 points. His D is a bit overrated too ... for a "shut down" guy he sure didn't "shut down" a whole lot of opponents last year.
 
lame excuse for finishing pretty much dead last. maybe you'll care to answer the question that seeral others are avoiding because they know it makes hall look bad.

why did our AHL team do worse WITH hall (sub 500 team) and do much better when he f***** off and finish with an impressive 40-25-2-9 record?

Lol hey its you see you at the next draft when were bottom 5 again
 
@Drivesaitl your secret identity has been revealed :sarcasm:
 

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A no.2 should be capable of moving the needle more than 13 points. His D is a bit overrated too ... for a "shut down" guy he sure didn't "shut down" a whole lot of opponents last year.

What's with some of you guys and "last year" as if last year is the norm for these players? Larsson has generally been a 20 point shut down Dman whose team generally outscores the opposition significantly when he's on the ice. Last year is over, stop fixating on that, and look at these players for what their overall body of work looks like as opposed to one season when everything went to shit for everybody.
 
What's with some of you guys and "last year" as if last year is the norm for these players? Larsson has generally been a 20 point shut down Dman whose team generally outscores the opposition significantly when he's on the ice. Last year is over, stop fixating on that, and look at these players for what their overall body of work looks like as opposed to one season when everything went to **** for everybody.

He's alright. He's not a no.2 on a real contender unless that no.1 is a Norris trophy caliber guy. He's a somewhat more skilled Jason Smith with a little less heart.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Larsson's body of work this past season wasn't really any different than his body of work the season before? I think both the impact he had in 16-17 and the struggles he had in 17-18 are being overstated. He's a solid 2/3. Not a guy you want being the best player on your top pairing, but someone who can compliment someone better very well.

The biggest difference I saw in Larsson's game this season was that his partner, Klefbom, played like a borderline #1 in 16-17 and a borderline #4/5 this past season.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Larsson's body of work this past season wasn't really any different than his body of work the season before? I think both the impact he had in 16-17 and the struggles he had in 17-18 are being overstated. He's a solid 2/3. Not a guy you want being the best player on your top pairing, but someone who can compliment someone better very well.

The biggest difference I saw in Larsson's game this season was that his partner, Klefbom, played like a borderline #1 in 16-17 and a borderline #4/5 this past season.

This team seems to go as Klefbom goes.

In 15-16 even, they were playing decent hockey all things considered (no McDavid, Talbot struggling) until Klefbom got hurt and then the season fell apart.

Last year Klefbom was crap and the D was a gong show.

It probably indicates a really fragile d-corps more than anything.
 
small stories? you view it as such so it less affects your narrative that hall is great and it's all the oilers fault. guys like ference, dreger, former teammates like klef scrivs etc etc do NOT often come out and trash a former teammate. it's kind of "against the code". the fact that they did and that so many of them did should tell you it's likely WAY worse than what they actually said about him. i'll bet you if you were to sit down and have a candid conversation with one of them you'd likely "see the light".

look man, we've gone through this a million times. yes sometimes a player can turn it around with the same organization, but my take is it wasn't happening here with hall. the organization had him for 6 years! you don't think they tried? of course they tried. there comes a time when you throw up your hands and say we can't continue to hurt this team with his presence. he has to go. i think the oil were actually quite patient with him. i had heard rumblings in 2014 he was on shaky ground. i'm betting the org tried to salvage him for the next couple years to no avail.

the player was a big part of the problem and he figured it out elsewhere. let it be. good for him. good for the oil. quit pining over a player that really wasn't all that good here and would not have been any good for the team here anyways.

Here is the thing, we have done this over and over, but there is still something I don't get. Or you haven't explained well enough. Suppose Hall was this cancer. WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT THE OILERS? He was a captain in juniors of a championship team. He left Edmonton to become hart trophy winner...... jeez seems more like an oilers thing that a Hall thing. A good orginazation gets the most out of Hall, they don't sell him for 50 cents on the dollar.

Agian, I don't even buy the issues are true. But even if they are, which I could accept, it still doens't make the oilers look good. It sure doesn't make Chia look good.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Larsson's body of work this past season wasn't really any different than his body of work the season before? I think both the impact he had in 16-17 and the struggles he had in 17-18 are being overstated. He's a solid 2/3. Not a guy you want being the best player on your top pairing, but someone who can compliment someone better very well.

The biggest difference I saw in Larsson's game this season was that his partner, Klefbom, played like a borderline #1 in 16-17 and a borderline #4/5 this past season.

I would agree, exept I would just call him a solid top 4. I mean it really depends on the team. On a good team he isn't even a 2, he is a top 4 for sure though. I won't take that away from him. These days hard to call any one top paring if they put up 15 points. Even Vlasic puts up 30 points to get called a 2.
 
I would agree, exept I would just call him a solid top 4. I mean it really depends on the team. On a good team he isn't even a 2, he is a top 4 for sure though. I won't take that away from him. These days hard to call any one top paring if they put up 15 points. Even Vlasic puts up 30 points to get called a 2.
Vlasic has been a #1 for awhile while putting up low offensive numbers
 
Ya dude, it was then too. The oilers have been the joke of the league for a while. But Chia is the biggest underachiever of them all to also suck with MCD and Hall, Nuge, Klef, Drai entering their prime to boot.
but didn't he also have them have the best Oiler season in 25 year too?
oh wait, that should be a given cause McDavid and all
 
Vlasic has been a #1 for awhile while putting up low offensive numbers

calling him a one is a stretch. He is a 2 on his team, who of course has Burns. I he is a 1 on many teams though. However, he is also better defensively that Larsson. Larsson could get there, if he does great. would love to see it, but he is not there yet. Also with the game getting smaller and quicker. I think he might actually be trending down, not up.
 
Nothing has changed, they had mediocre management six years ago, five years ago, three years ago, and that continues today. Until this franchise gets a real manager that can get the job done in EVERY area a GM is supposed to be good at, they are basically going to be relying on 1st round picks over and over and over again.

No player, not even McDavid can over come mediocre management.
didn't they do exactly that in 2016/17?
 
calling him a one is a stretch. He is a 2 on his team, who of course has Burns. I he is a 1 on many teams though. However, he is also better defensively that Larsson. Larsson could get there, if he does great. would love to see it, but he is not there yet. Also with the game getting smaller and quicker. I think he might actually be trending down, not up.
He is a 1 on San Jose, burns gets eaten alive defensively
 
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but didn't he also have them have the best Oiler season in 25 year too?
oh wait, that should be a given cause McDavid and all

Your finally getting it. Good to hear. Yes, adding the best player in the game, and having a stokpile of young players playing better will do that. So glad you finally get it. Chia did nothing. McD, and a bunch of other top picks finally stayed healthy and had great years. Chia did get Talbot, but as discussed he was coming any way. So really Chia did nothing. However, making bad trades, signing lucic ect. He unfortunatly put us up for a big fall back down. Shame, if we had a competent GM it would have been up and up.

This team should have been a cup contender this year. McD dominated and had no supporting cast. Thanks CHIA!!!!

glad your finally on board though!
 
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