GDT: Your New Jersey Devils (28-17-6, 62 Pts) @ Philadelphia Flyers (22-22-6, 50 Pts), 7 PM, MSGSN

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No it’s not that. I didn’t even bring up Luke, holy non-sequitor.

You are saying the team is playing poorly. I point out a specific pairing who is definitely playing very poorly lately and you're like 'wtf, why would you ever bring this up?' My god, I am trying to discuss ANYTHING specific and you get confused. Why would anyone talk about a player on the team playing poorly tonight instead of just referring back to some grievance about arguments in 2022?

Anyway, I'd follow up, but you clearly have no idea why someone would bring up Luke Hughes in a discussion of the team not living up to expectations lately.

No the issue is that some of us just don’t have a bottomless reserve of patience. Exasperated by increasing hype every year.

You certainly have a bottomless reserve of righteous indignation. The team is still on track to make the playoffs. That is the important thing. It would be nice if they were closing out some of these games to get 1 point in them, or winning in OT, or running hot at 5v5 shooting, or any of the things that teams do to win a lot of games in the regular season. Ultimately a lot of that stuff does not matter when April rolls around.
 
You are saying the team is playing poorly. I point out a specific pairing who is definitely playing very poorly lately and you're like 'wtf, why would you ever bring this up?' My god, I am trying to discuss ANYTHING specific and you get confused. Why would anyone talk about a player on the team playing poorly tonight instead of just referring back to some grievance about arguments in 2022?

Anyway, I'd follow up, but you clearly have no idea why someone would bring up Luke Hughes in a discussion of the team not living up to expectations lately.



You certainly have a bottomless reserve of righteous indignation. The team is still on track to make the playoffs. That is the important thing. It would be nice if they were closing out some of these games to get 1 point in them, or winning in OT, or running hot at 5v5 shooting, or any of the things that teams do to win a lot of games in the regular season. Ultimately a lot of that stuff does not matter when April rolls around.

This might just be a weird year where they have single guys just go through stretches being the guy to score, it's so weird how this is a thing for them between Nico/Bratt/Noesen/Cotter (earlier in the year)
 
If we can crush the f*** out of them on Wednesday (or just a win would be nice, crushing them or not) then this one doesn’t look so bad.

I’m not sure I trust Allen, but I can understand why they wouldn’t cut the rope just yet.

If he isn’t good on Wednesday then they gotta think about looking to Daws for Sunday in Buffalo.

And I say Daws because Keefe made it sound like Daws would get the call up after this trip.
 
No it’s not that. I didn’t even bring up Luke, holy non-sequitor.

No the issue is that some of us just don’t have a bottomless reserve of patience. Exasperated by increasing hype every year.

No one hyped this team from the inside, we were all cautiously optimistic after getting Markstrom. The depth and other issues were brought up from Day 1 of this team playing in Prague. The hype came from the outside like it has in the past. If you fell for it again, that's on you
 
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Just this huge push for size and grit after only one somewhat successful season without solidifying offense, and push on defense just seem unnatural in the way, 2022-2023, yes we had issues, but the team was a lot of fun to watch we had our own style of fast high scoring team and now we got lots of big heavy players who don't produce and there is just no good picture so far. Only 2 artifacts of 2 years ago team are producing, Jack and Jesper, most others are just not playing good hockey imo. Not sure, I might be just confused but I don't like this season Devils hockey. Also overdrafted D with very high picks, why draft Silaev, why not Kosta Helenius or Eiserman, young players who can create offense? Okay, I am done, just really somewhat frustrated.
 
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No one hyped this team from the inside, we were all cautiously optimistic after getting Markstrom. The depth and other issues were brought up from Day 1 of this team playing in Prague. The hype came from the outside like it has in the past. If you fell for it again, that's on you
This is definitely not completely true, come on.
 
I'm now thinking Dillon is another bad contract. He could be Brendan Smith bad soon enough and he's signed for 2 more years.

Brendan Dillon of a couple years ago would have been pretty good.
I just don't see where you're going to get traction for this narrative. The guy is clearly doing what Siegs couldn't. We don't have anyone to work with Dougie.
 
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This is definitely not completely true, come on.

I didn't see the hype on this team being out of control, whatever Vegas does and prognosticators say is not from within. Of course the management staff + coaches are gonna be high on the team they built and are about to play with, who would say the team is shit from day 1? I'm talking about fans here + social media in general. We've been beaten up with expectations before to be dumb enough to do it again, for what, the 4th time in like 6 years after having a decent offseason?

Just this huge push for size and grit after only one somewhat successful season without solidifying offense, and push on defense just seem unnatural in the way, 2022-2023, yes we had issues, but the team was a lot of fun to watch we had our own style of fast high scoring team and now we got lots of big heavy players who don't produce and there is just no good picture so far. Only 2 artifacts of 2 years ago team are producing, Jack and Jesper, most others are just not playing good hockey imo. Not sure, I might be just confused but I don't like this season Devils hockey. Also overdrafted D with very high picks, why draft Silaev, why not Kosta Helenius or Eiserman, young players who can create offense? Okay, I am done, just really somewhat frustrated.

I was big on Helenius. I think Silayev will be very good but I understand the resentment after Fitz has gone on a war path with size on the back end. FWIW, I'll trust him there since he's done a tremendous job after Shero shit his pants trying to build a defense with stooges like Mueller.
 
Just this huge push for size and grit after only one somewhat successful season without solidifying offense, and push on defense just seem unnatural in the way, 2022-2023, yes we had issues, but the team was a lot of fun to watch we had our own style of fast high scoring team and now we got lots of big heavy players and there is just no good picture so far. Only 2 artifacts of 2 years ago team are producing, Jack and Jesper, most others are just not playing good hockey imo. Not sure, I might be just confused but I don't like this season Devils hockey. Also overdrafted D with very high picks, why draft Silaev, why not Kosta Helenius or Eiserman, young players who can create offense? Okay, I am done, just really somewhat frustrated.

Again: I don't know where this narrative comes from.

Please name said 'big heavy players' and who they replaced.

I think you'll see that all the additions have made this a better team, and in fact we probably got faster.

Unless you're missing Tierney? Toffoli's blazing speed? The only guy you're really missing is McLeod, who was our most consistent player in years past.

If our top eight stars simply played better on an individual basis, it at least limited the nutty turnovers and bad passing that we've seen since the break, we'd be in better shape.

Still stoppable first goal. Goalies stop deflections every game. That hits goalies all the time. Make a save. And it deflected far out.

Ersson stopped a deflection.
Nah. Don't see it. Tough deflection
 
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Again: I don't know where this narrative comes from.

Please name said 'big heavy players' and who they replaced.

I think you'll see that all the additions have made this a better team, and in fact we probably got faster.

Unless you're missing Tierney? Toffoli's blazing speed? The only guy you're really missing is McLeod, who was our most consistent player in years past.

If our top eight stars simply played better on an individual basis, it at least limited the nutty turnovers and bad passing that we've seen since the break, we'd be in better shape.
Missing Mcleod, Wood, Boqvist, Marino, Sharangovich were all faster players than Cotter, Meier, Noesen, Lazar, Palat. I don't think trading Zetterlund, Sharangovich, Boqvist were good moves imo.
 
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No one hyped this team from the inside, we were all cautiously optimistic after getting Markstrom. The depth and other issues were brought up from Day 1 of this team playing in Prague. The hype came from the outside like it has in the past. If you fell for it again, that's on you
Uh. I don't think this is true either.

Keefe alone rightfully warrants optimism. Our team defense is stellar when we play it.
Pesce and Dillon were enormous upgrades and have completely paid off.
Markstrom ticks the goalie box.

The majority of this board believed from the get go that this was a playoff team.

Now it's up to our top talented players to stop playing like dumbass turnover prone rookies and start scoring when they get there chances.

There are plenty of problems but this is still a team that could win it if they get their heads right and stay healthy, and get what they paid for out of their stars.
 
You are saying the team is playing poorly. I point out a specific pairing who is definitely playing very poorly lately and you're like 'wtf, why would you ever bring this up?' My god, I am trying to discuss ANYTHING specific and you get confused. Why would anyone talk about a player on the team playing poorly tonight instead of just referring back to some grievance about arguments in 2022?
Yes the team is playing poorly, but if you read what I'm saying that isn't what I'm getting at, so it seems maybe you are the one that is confused. What I'm getting at is that the team isn't as good or deep as advertised. Which has been the story for years now. And not everyone has the patience to just take that in stride year in and year out.
Anyway, I'd follow up, but you clearly have no idea why someone would bring up Luke Hughes in a discussion of the team not living up to expectations lately.
Because what I'm talking about is not about any one single player or pairing, much less a 21 year old with under 200 games played.
You certainly have a bottomless reserve of righteous indignation. The team is still on track to make the playoffs. That is the important thing. It would be nice if they were closing out some of these games to get 1 point in them, or winning in OT, or running hot at 5v5 shooting, or any of the things that teams do to win a lot of games in the regular season. Ultimately a lot of that stuff does not matter when April rolls around.
Again this is missing the point. Lack of depth and wildly inconsistent finishing ability is going to matter when April rolls around (we have no idea if whatever trade deadline moves Fitz makes will pan out). Yes yes I know you don't "expect" the team to continue floundering on offense...just like you didn't expect what happened last year to happen, or two years before that, or the year before that one...
 
Missing Mcleod, Wood, Boqvist, Marino, Sharangovich were all faster players than Cotter, Meier, Noesen, Lazar, Palat. I don't think trading Zetterlund, Sharangovich, Boqvist were good moves imo.

Run for the hills.

I don't mind Wood/Shara gone and I wouldn't put Timo/Noesen in that other list. Timo/Noesen are perfectly fine for this team. Marino, sure, but you couldn't bank on the dude to get back to his 22-23 ways + he had back surgery. That's usually a death sentence for an NHL dman so I get the idea to move him. Cotter sucks but was also traded for virtually nothing, Lazar is whatever, Palat was a panic move after Gaudreau went to CBJ and there was slim pickings on the market. I would've pivoted and went for Bjorsktrand but CBJ was never trading him but that type of player.

Uh. I don't think this is true either.

Keefe alone rightfully warrants optimism. Our team defense is stellar when we play it.
Pesce and Dillon were enormous upgrades and have completely paid off.
Markstrom ticks the goalie box.

The majority of this board believed from the get go that this was a playoff team.


Now it's up to our top talented players to stop playing like dumbass turnover prone rookies and start scoring when they get there chances.

There are plenty of problems but this is still a team that could win it if they get their heads right and stay healthy, and get what they paid for out of their stars.

Yes but not to the point where you're ripping your head off like if Leafs fans do or similar to if Carolina's core stall after all of these years. Progression is not linear. They were going to have struggles this year at some point with a new type of roste + coach. That's my overall point. I thought this team was good but had some obvious warts on them.
 
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This is the last place I'd want to be when angry, lol. You're just stressing yourself out more, man.

Yeah reading this forum after a doomer game is worse than watching the game sometimes because during the game there was some hope it would turn out ok but the GDT after bad loss has no hope of turning out ok lol.

Sometimes you gotta remove yourself from the equation
 
Run for the hills.

I don't mind Wood/Shara gone and I wouldn't put Timo/Noesen in that other list. Timo/Noesen are perfectly fine for this team. Marino, sure, but you couldn't bank on the dude to get back to his 22-23 ways + he had back surgery. That's usually a death sentence for an NHL dman so I get the idea to move him. Cotter sucks but was also traded for virtually nothing, Lazar is whatever, Palat was a panic move after Gaudreau went to CBJ and there was slim pickings on the market. I would've pivoted and went for Bjorsktrand but CBJ was never trading him but that type of player.
I agree with you Noesen is fine. Not trying to shit on him, Meier is ok at best, he is definitely not okay for 9M contract though, he doesn't drive play enough himself, doesn't score enough either, I mean 35 points in 51 games he is on pace for 50 something points? No goals before today for 9 games. Too stricky of a player for my taste for 9M contract top line winger.
 
Missing Mcleod, Wood, Boqvist, Marino, Sharangovich were all faster players than Cotter, Meier, Noesen, Lazar, Palat. I don't think trading Zetterlund, Sharangovich, Boqvist were good moves imo.
Mcleod - nothing you could do.
I personally loved Wood, Rango and Zetterlund, but:
I've been bashing Meier and his lack of engine for weeks, but you do that trade 1000 out of a 1000x. If he plays his game, he's worth it for Zetterlund/mook.
We just let wood walk, and the majority of folks rejoice. He comes with his own set of problems.
Everyone wanted a goalie. We got the best available, and Rango is the definition of inconsistent for Calgary.

Do I like those players? Yes? In the playoffs when they will get battered and go invisible? No.
 
I agree with you Noesen is fine. Not trying to shit on him, Meier is ok at best, he is definitely not okay for 9M contract though, he doesn't drive play enough himself, doesn't score enough either, I mean 35 points in 51 games he is on pace for 50 something points? No goals before today for 9 games. Too stricky of a player for my taste for 9M contract top line winger.

Maybe some of Timo's issues are not accounting for the fact his shot quantity in SJ was absurd and then he needed a ton to score but this guy was also on pace for 50 the year we traded for him. You just don't lose that touch or need a shit ton of shots to score. He's played insanely well for his goal production to be the way it is. I don' think Timo is an issue for this team.
 
I agree with you Noesen is fine. Not trying to shit on him, Meier is ok at best, he is definitely not okay for 9M contract though, he doesn't drive play enough himself, doesn't score enough either, I mean 35 points in 51 games he is on pace for 50 something points? No goals before today for 9 games. Too stricky of a player for my taste for 9M contract top line winger.
Yeah you have company on this one, and if you want to can look at the main discussion thread on our board and see the two days we spen seeing the argument go back and forth.
 
Yes but not to the point where you're ripping your head off like if Leafs fans do or similar to if Carolina's core stall after all of these years. Progression is not linear. They were going to have struggles this year at some point with a new type of roste + coach. That's my overall point. I thought this team was good but had some obvious warts on them.
I think you're speaking for yourself. I think most of this board saw this team as a legit top contender. Several still do.
 
Maybe some of Timo's issues are not accounting for the fact his shot quantity in SJ was absurd and then he needed a ton to score but this guy was also on pace for 50 the year we traded for him. You just don't lose that touch or need a shit ton of shots to score. He's played insanely well for his goal production to be the way it is. I don' think Timo is an issue for this team.
I just wish he was stronger on the puck. I have the 'shoulder lowered, breaking towards the net' image locked in my brain and I'd like for him to be dynamic around the boards like Cotter is. I thought he'd be like Bobby Holik or Jagr with the puck but my expectations are so far off
 
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I think you're speaking for yourself. I think most of this board saw this team as a legit top contender. Several still do.

Contenders have warts pre deadline, no team is 100% set right now. They're still in a playoff spot, what did you expect from this team? Division + president's trophy?

I just wish he was stronger on the puck. I have the 'shoulder lowered, breaking towards the net' image locked in my brain and I'd like for him to be dynamic around the boards like Cotter is. I thought he'd be like Bobby Holik or Jagr with the puck but my expectations are so far off

Yeah I mean, he's also probably in his head also right now not being able to score with all the injuries. He's been playing well for the most part but at 8.8 you need to f***ing score at some point and consistently as well.
 
There's a bit of a strategic problem with how slow they move through the NZ. Keefe loves to hold up at our blue line for an organized, non-chaotic dump and chase entry and I don't know how wise it is to stop pushing the pace. It really just neuters one of the best things about our core players.

For me, pining for any of the guys from '23 is really just pining for speed and that dominant rush heavy game when we were at our best in that season.
 
I just wish he was stronger on the puck. I have the 'shoulder lowered, breaking towards the net' image locked in my brain and I'd like for him to be dynamic around the boards like Cotter is. I thought he'd be like Bobby Holik or Jagr with the puck but my expectations are so far off
I wanted him to be our Nichushkin type of a player(minus personal issues and stuff)
 
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