GDT: You'll Shoot Yer Eye Out, Kid! Sabres @ Devils, 7 PM, MSG+

[sabremike]

You could start Bozo the Clown in net tonight and win. The only reason I'm even paying attention at this point is for the perverse entertainment value of seeing just what Phil Housley has to do to prove to our GM and ownership that he is totally out of his depth as an NHL head coach and needs to be fired.

 

[Dialamo]

You could start Bozo the Clown in net tonight and win. The only reason I'm even paying attention at this point is for the perverse entertainment value of seeing just what Phil Housley has to do to prove to our GM and ownership that he is totally out of his depth as an NHL head coach and needs to be fired.

I bet you Evander Kane will get a/some point(s) this game. He always seems to score against us.

 

[NJDevs26]

You could start Bozo the Clown in net tonight and win. The only reason I'm even paying attention at this point is for the perverse entertainment value of seeing just what Phil Housley has to do to prove to our GM and ownership that he is totally out of his depth as an NHL head coach and needs to be fired.

TBH Housley might wind up getting more rope than he should precisely because they've churned through four coaches in the last five seasons since Lindy.

 

[njdevils1982]

You could start Bozo the Clown in net tonight and win. The only reason I'm even paying attention at this point is for the perverse entertainment value of seeing just what Phil Housley has to do to prove to our GM and ownership that he is totally out of his depth as an NHL head coach and needs to be fired.

johnny mac was canned with 9 wins in 33 games…..housley has made it 4 more games with the same 9 wins

 

[billingtons ghost]

You could start Bozo the Clown in net tonight and win. The only reason I'm even paying attention at this point is for the perverse entertainment value of seeing just what Phil Housley has to do to prove to our GM and ownership that he is totally out of his depth as an NHL head coach and needs to be fired.

Didn't like him when he was a player with us either so I'm fine with seeing him fail. I hate to say its a trap game and we're due for a clunker... but this team always surprises in both directions, so we might lose 2-0, lose or win 5-4 in the shootout, or win 7-1.

 

[MartyOwns]

You could start Bozo the Clown in net tonight

oh, we are (according to kinkaid's twitter)

 

[Rad Dude83]

Gonna be weird seeing Josefson play against someone who filled his role as a let down 1st rd pick.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Gonna be weird seeing Josefson play against someone who filled his role as a let down 1st rd pick.

um, who are you even talking about?

 

[Bleedred]

You have to look at the goals given up in each game... if theyre all deflections or he's screened, its no where near as bad as giving up goal on a clear shot with not interference. I get your obsession with cory, but every game I've watched that kk played (Minus the bad Arizona game), wasn't all his fault which you make it out to be. You know stats, but know nothing about playing the position (ie, weak goals claimed by you aren't in reality)...
And you can't do an even comparison of any goalie stats between a starter and a backup whose played less then 1/3 of the games (no matter which goalie)
I do think kk should start tomorrow, can t start cory every game.

There is so much wrong in this post, that I don't even know where to start.

I have an obsession with Cory? I think you might have an obsession with Kinkaid, as you're the only person (other than maybe his parents) that thinks this 28 year old mediocre career backup can still be a starter somewhere.

I've played goal before but whatever, keep telling me I don't know what I'm talking about.

You want the stoppable goals? I'll count them for you. I got TWO against Ottawa on October 27th, I got ONE against Calgary on November 5th. That's not counting the same shootout move that beat him twice, where he looked like a statue. I got TWO stoppable goals against Chicago on November 12th, I got TWO stoppable goals against Detroit on November 25th. I got ONE stoppable goal against Arizona on December 2nd. He actually didn't play as bad the stats said that game. I got TWO stoppable goals on him against the Rangers on December 9th, the last time he played.

So he's allowed 31 goals and 10 were stoppable. That's almost a third! And you wonder why his numbers are in the toilet? That says it right there.

And also, I'm not even counting the goals that don't look like stoppable goals on him, but that Cory stops due to supreme positioning. There's probably a few deflected shots that Cory sometimes stops, which Kinkaid does not stop, which don't look like bad goals and I'm not dinging on them, but they are stopped by Cory sometimes, just by hitting him because he's in position. You still don't explain why Kinkaid allows one more goal per game than Schneider. Don't even tell me the defense or some BS like that. I've also seen you ding Cory on goals, which you seem to always find an excuse for why Kinkaid didn't stop them. Like a questionable screen 50 feet out or

You want Kinkaid against the Capitals? Fine then he needs to make some saves. I don’t wanna f***in hear that the Caps are an elite offensive team or that’s its Ovechkin or that it was a rocket or that Cory allowed 5 goals the last time he played them too.

 

[Bleedred]

um, who are you even talking about?

He's talking about Zacha.

The guy who has 36 points in 100 career games.

Josefson had 23 points after 100 pro games (including 6 in the playoffs) and was over 2 years older than Zacha is now during his 101st game.

Enough with these comparisons already. They're really rivaling the claims that Kinkaid can be a starter. Except it's only one guy who still maintains that. I've seen this ''Josefson 2.0'' said about Zacha multiple times already and comparisons by several different posters, and I believe that's the poster who created that title for Zacha. Zacha has 13 more points now than Josefson did after 100 NHL games, including 6 playoff games. Josefson was also about 25 months older at the time.

 

[Bleedred]

Housley seems like some fake tough guy authoritarian figure, from what I saw on that ''Road to the winter classic'' thing.

He and Tocchet are giving Johnny Mac are real run right now.

The good news? Johnny Mac might no longer be the worst head coach in the history of the NHL anymore.

The bad news for him? He's currently an assistant on the staff to one of the guys who is worse than him as a head coach.

 

[Emperoreddy]

This is the obvious trap game so they need to be wary.

 

[Bleedred]

This is the obvious trap game so they need to be wary.

Yeah

Definitely seems like a trap game. We've been playing down to teams like this all season long. We played like trash against the Panthers the first time (Cory stole it), then played even worse the next time and lost. And I don't know if anybody else has lost to the Oilers twice this season, at least not another team in the Eastern Conference. Maybe one of the West teams that plays them more often. Never mind whatever that was in Arizona.

I think we might be playing our best hockey of the season right now, outside of just the winning streak, so I expect better than a dud against this cream of the crap, piece of suck team.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Yeah

Definitely seems like a trap game. We've been playing down to teams like this all season long. We played like trash against the Panthers the first time (Cory stole it), then played even worse the next time and lost. And I don't know if anybody else has lost to the Oilers twice this season, at least not another team in the Eastern Conference. Maybe one of the West teams that plays them more often. Never mind whatever that was in Arizona.

I think we might be playing our best hockey of the season right now, outside of just the winning streak, so I expect better than a dud against this cream of the crap, piece of suck team.

Bad team with a big divionsal game tomorrow. Classic trap.

We did blitz them the last time we played so hopefully we get a repeat performance.

 

[billingtons ghost]

There is so much wrong in this post, that I don't even know where to start.

I have an obsession with Cory? I think you might have an obsession with Kinkaid, as you're the only person (other than maybe his parents) that thinks this 28 year old mediocre career backup can still be a starter somewhere.

I've played goal before but whatever, keep telling me I don't know what I'm talking about.

You want the stoppable goals? I'll count them for you. I got TWO against Ottawa on October 27th, .

I have one. Not sure which other one you think was stoppable? g3? doubtful.
ott: g1: 2-on-1 with Severson trying to make an circus ass-save instead of playing D. no chance. g2: oduya thru double screen + deflection. little chance. might have been out further. (stopped clean breakaway here too.) g3: 6-5, popped in the air - maybe he could have done something. g4: Terrible goal, not being tight to post and closing arm. he was brilliant in OT then and won the shootout.

I got ONE against Calgary on November 5th. That's not counting the same shootout move that beat him twice, where he looked like a statue.
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Maybe. Not sure which one you don't like - but they were pretty good chances.
in the @cgy .882 the only shots he faced in the early going were breakaways, penalty shots and wide open looks from the slot. Both he and Smith maybe had one they wanted back but Kincaid played great for the whole game. g1: ends up on frolik's stick in the slot. Maybe he could have had this by being tighter or with a better angle. g2: screened - maybe could have fought thru screen better? g3: all alone in the slot- no chance; g4: nice passing play, Bratt loses his man - breakaway - no chance.

I got TWO stoppable goals against Chicago on November 12th, .

Nope. I disagree.
the @CHI .886 game was a ridiculous track meet. He had literally ZERO chance on just about every goal and he played his nuts off in the 2nd to keep us in it and give us a chance to come back and win, making some fantastic saves. 44 shots on goal against. g1: screened by Santini, never saw it, deflected top corner; g2:Severson fails to cut pass on 2-on-1 leaving debrincat alone in slot - no chance; g3: going wide, deflects off moore's back top shelf - no chance; g4:hishier leaves it in slot, deflects off Butcher's stick top shelf next to ear - no chance; g5: caroms off dasher behind net to hawk who backhands it top shelf. *maybe* he could have played that differently but its a tough chance.

I got TWO stoppable goals against Detroit on November 25th. .

I disagree.
g1: ridiculous deflection over his shoulder. Stoppable? not sure by whom. Was Boyle's deflection on Mrazek also stoppable?
g2: Mantha sniped it, but maybe he could have got it.
g3: Booth alone between the circles 1-0. I mean... I don't know.

In both of the last two goals, you're pretty much 1-on-0 with a shooter between the hashmarks.

I got ONE stoppable goal against Arizona on December 2nd. He actually didn't play as bad the stats said that game. .

Agreed.
@Ari: first goal unstoppable deflection screen, g2: moore blown tire, g3: carom off greene, g4: all alone between the circles; g5: terrible 5hole goal.

I got TWO stoppable goals on him against the Rangers on December 9th, the last time he played..

Agreed.
nyr:g1: should have had it- didn't cut the angle. g2: all alone in slot, no chance; g3:zuccarello breakaway no chance; g4: should have had it short side. g5: scramble at goalmouth. Not terrible, not good either.
He made a couple of *huge* saves on Nash as well.

So he's allowed 31 goals and 10 were stoppable. That's almost a third! And you wonder why his numbers are in the toilet? That says it right there.

And also, I'm not even counting the goals that don't look like stoppable goals on him, but that Cory stops due to supreme positioning. There's probably a few deflected shots that Cory sometimes stops, which Kinkaid does not stop, which don't look like bad goals and I'm not dinging on them, but they are stopped by Cory sometimes, just by hitting him because he's in position. You still don't explain why Kinkaid allows one more goal per game than Schneider. Don't even tell me the defense or some BS like that. I've also seen you ding Cory on goals, which you seem to always find an excuse for why Kinkaid didn't stop them. Like a questionable screen 50 feet out or

You want Kinkaid against the Capitals? Fine then he needs to make some saves. I don’t wanna ****in hear that the Caps are an elite offensive team or that’s its Ovechkin or that it was a rocket or that Cory allowed 5 goals the last time he played them too.

My numbers come in at 6 maybe stoppable. If we did the same exercise for Cory over his last 5 games, we'd find probably 3-4, so yeah, he's not as good as Cory, and he's had some rough games lately - Especially since it seems like the goals that are coming are coming at the worst possible times and are costly - the same knock we had on Cory last year... And Cory didn't have the benefit of our improved scoring, so his mistakes were magnified by losses whereas Kincaid is getting a pass on a few of these.

I see your point, but Kincaid simply isn't as bad as you are making him out to be.

 

[Bleedred]

I have one. Not sure which other one you think was stoppable? g3? doubtful.
ott: g1: 2-on-1 with Severson trying to make an circus ass-save instead of playing D. no chance. g2: oduya thru double screen + deflection. little chance. might have been out further. (stopped clean breakaway here too.) g3: 6-5, popped in the air - maybe he could have done something. g4: Terrible goal, not being tight to post and closing arm. he was brilliant in OT then and won the shootout.



Maybe. Not sure which one you don't like - but they were pretty good chances.
in the @cgy .882 the only shots he faced in the early going were breakaways, penalty shots and wide open looks from the slot. Both he and Smith maybe had one they wanted back but Kincaid played great for the whole game. g1: ends up on frolik's stick in the slot. Maybe he could have had this by being tighter or with a better angle. g2: screened - maybe could have fought thru screen better? g3: all alone in the slot- no chance; g4: nice passing play, Bratt loses his man - breakaway - no chance.



Nope. I disagree.
the @CHI .886 game was a ridiculous track meet. He had literally ZERO chance on just about every goal and he played his nuts off in the 2nd to keep us in it and give us a chance to come back and win, making some fantastic saves. 44 shots on goal against. g1: screened by Santini, never saw it, deflected top corner; g2:Severson fails to cut pass on 2-on-1 leaving debrincat alone in slot - no chance; g3: going wide, deflects off moore's back top shelf - no chance; g4:hishier leaves it in slot, deflects off Butcher's stick top shelf next to ear - no chance; g5: caroms off dasher behind net to hawk who backhands it top shelf. *maybe* he could have played that differently but its a tough chance.



I disagree.
g1: ridiculous deflection over his shoulder. Stoppable? not sure by whom. Was Boyle's deflection on Mrazek also stoppable?
g2: Mantha sniped it, but maybe he could have got it.
g3: Booth alone between the circles 1-0. I mean... I don't know.

In both of the last two goals, you're pretty much 1-on-0 with a shooter between the hashmarks.



Agreed.
@Ari: first goal unstoppable deflection screen, g2: moore blown tire, g3: carom off greene, g4: all alone between the circles; g5: terrible 5hole goal.



Agreed.
nyr:g1: should have had it- didn't cut the angle. g2: all alone in slot, no chance; g3:zuccarello breakaway no chance; g4: should have had it short side. g5: scramble at goalmouth. Not terrible, not good either.
He made a couple of *huge* saves on Nash as well.



My numbers come in at 6 maybe stoppable. If we did the same exercise for Cory over his last 5 games, we'd find probably 3-4, so yeah, he's not as good as Cory, and he's had some rough games lately - Especially since it seems like the goals that are coming are coming at the worst possible times and are costly - the same knock we had on Cory last year... And Cory didn't have the benefit of our improved scoring, so his mistakes were magnified by losses whereas Kincaid is getting a pass on a few of these.

I see your point, but Kincaid simply isn't as bad as you are making him out to be.

Maybe Kinkaid isn't truly as bad as his numbers have been this year, but he's been bad. Maybe he deserves to be in the lower .900's

And you have a bias against Cory if you think he's allowed 3-4 bad goals in the last 5 games. But you've been proving for years that you have a bias against Cory. He's your whipping boy, if anything. At least my whipping boys are BAD players.

I'd say one against Anaheim and maybe a poor rebound against the Rangers.

What the f*** is this world coming to when I have to argue a goalie that allows one fewer goal per game than another goalie on the same team has been far superior?

Have we really sunk this low? Have we really f***ing sunk this low?

Even John Hynes, who probably doesn't agree with me very often, seems to wholeheartedly agree with me on this one. Which explains why he would use Schneider in both back to back's last time, and is neglecting to use Kinkaid against the worst offense in the league tonight....

 

[Bleedred]

By the way, at least we both seem to agree that goal 1 against the Rangers was stoppable. I got killed in here for calling him out on that one, by allowing a bad goal like that minutes into the last game he played.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Debating “stoppable” goals from weeks ago might be one of the more bizzare things that happens on this message board.

 

[Bleedred]

Debating “stoppable” goals from weeks ago might be one of the more bizzare things that happens on this message board.

The only reason why I do it is because I'm trying to prove to everyone WHY Kinkaid has a POOR save percentage this year. The usual suspects will say ''Save percentage means nothing! I don't see anything wrong with the way he's playing at all!' It's the defense's fault!"'.

The eye test is backing it up for me. When that large a percentage of the goals you allow are stoppable, it's usually congruent with a dreadful save percentage, say in the lower 90's or below, like the sexy .893 that Kinkaid has right now.

He allowed a similar amount of stoppable goals in 15-16, when he had that .904 year.

Last year? He allowed some, but it was MUCH lower than this year and 15-16. Same with 14-15 when he played good.

Last year, it seemed like at least 25% of the stoppable goals he allowed were in that game at Barclays Center in February alone.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

There should be a video tribute to Josefson at the game tonight. Could probably fit every single goal he scored here in a 30 second clip.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Maybe Kinkaid isn't truly as bad as his numbers have been this year, but he's been bad. Maybe he deserves to be in the lower .900's

And you have a bias against Cory if you think he's allowed 3-4 bad goals in the last 5 games. But you've been proving for years that you have a bias against Cory. He's your whipping boy, if anything. At least my whipping boys are BAD players.....

This is fair and I think it just outlines our differing approaches - I'm hard on Cory and Severson because they are EXCELLENT players who sometimes don't play excellent hockey. I'm not hard on secondary scrubs who have neither the talent nor ability to match the top tier guys - I just simply don't see a point in ripping them. Less is expected of them, so when you get less, well..... Looking at Kinky's list above, its like: He held us in games during some really bad stretches with some spectacular saves (better than your average backup) and faced some tough shots. And he let a few klunkers in. He's a backup. Cory gave up a couple of bad rebounds during a period where we are (rightfully) lauding him as absolutely stellar.

What the **** is this world coming to when I have to argue a goalie that allows one fewer goal per game than another goalie on the same team has been far superior?

Have we really sunk this low? Have we really ****ing sunk this low?
....

You're normally one of the smartest and most interesting posters here, but this take is just stupid. If all you have is 'his GAA is terrible'!!! then clearly you just aren't thinking when you typed this - because we all know how 5 goals can go in when you have a dumpster fire in front of you- As was the case in Chicago and Arizona and to some degree in the other games Kincaid played. It's a team stat to a large degree.

 

[Blender]

There should be a video tribute to Josefson at the game tonight. Could probably fit every single goal he scored here in a 30 second clip.

I preferred the earlier suggestion of a tribute to all his flubs.

 

[Bleedred]

There should be a video tribute to Josefson at the game tonight. Could probably fit every single goal he scored here in a 30 second clip.

30 seconds? I'm assuming that includes the shootout goals too? You could probably run through the in-game goals in about 10 to 12 seconds.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Debating “stoppable” goals from weeks ago might be one of the more bizzare things that happens on this message board.

Because goalie stats suck. They are by far the most egregiously overused piles of bunk on any board.

And you have two ex-goalies debating quality of goalie play.

 

[billingtons ghost]

There should be a video tribute to Josefson at the game tonight. Could probably fit every single goal he scored here in a 30 second clip.

Awesome... They'd have time to show all of the times he slid into the boards and hurt himself too.