Post-Game Talk: You get a blown lead! You get a blown lead! Everyone gets a blown lead!

[HoweHullOrr]

Once again Andersen can't make the saves late...unreal

Andersen is just brutal. That third goal was the juiciest of them all. What great rebound control.

I wish we had Bernier on a contract year. Bet he would play a lot better than a guy gifted 25M.

How nice of Andersen to back in and leave 40% of the net completely wide open for the 3rd shooter. Chicago should send him a fruit basket for that.

Still a little early, but that contract could be an albatross if he turns out to be a lemon.

 

[AllDay28]

u think Babcock is gonna want a diva like Trouba who when he doesnt get his way holds out? lmao.

 

[SprDaVE]

Maybe someone out for griffith next game holland or Marner or brown. I would add nylander and Matthew but the are scoring and we need that

Griffith doesn't fix the line problems. We're scoring plenty of goals. The problem is the other way around.

A simple line juggling would be fine though, like promoting Brown in the lineup while demoting Michalek or perhaps even Komarov who has played like total butthole so far.

Right now the young players are completely carrying the play, while the veterans are just passengers for the most part. Need more from a lot of them.

 

[tp71]

If you don't get upset with losses, I don't know what to tell you. I was upset with losses even when we tanked. It sucked to lose but I understood why we lost...we didn't have talent on the team and it was a team built to tank.

This year, I don't expect the playoffs but I do expect this team to close out games that they have a lead in...so far we have 1/5. Lots of teams don't lose more than 2-3 games a season leading after 2.

Rookies are good, we have no vets.

It's all a part of the learning process yet it seems like they are learning nothing as they rack up the blown leads.

Takes a lot longer than 5 games to really "learn" things at the pro level. Sometimes seasons. Takes some players years to truly become effective.

 

[Daisy Jane]

My Thoughts
(to be fair, I've only watched Auston's 4 goals + 2 games, thanks to a wonky work schedule).

1: It seems to me that Kadri + Rielly are suffering from a touch of contract-itis in the regards to they are struggling after having a big contract extension behind them. They need to shake out of it. this isn't to say they don't have their postitive moments before people go "lol wut" OVERALL to me they don't look as sharp.

2: Lamoriello needs to take Babcock's toys away. Hunwick, is not bad, but he can not play as many minutes as he is or as many games.

3: Babcock shouldn't have coached world cup Canada. the defense looks bad bad bad and there is a legitimate breakdown somewhere and I don't think he has had time to truly assess where the issue is or what is causing it. so he's behind, our defense is behind which is impacting..

4: andersen. Who could also be suffering from contract-itis. Not ALL of the goals are his fault, but he needs to stop at least one less (I know that's an obvious). but that's why he was traded for and that's what he needs to do. if he's injured, he needs to stop playing and heal up and come in. if you play you are healthy.

5: Mah babies are doing my heart so proud.

6: why is Brown on the 4th line? (but man is he a strong PKer)


overall - i'm not that mad because i wasn't expecting anything from this season but improvement and okay blown leads all the time in the third: bad. BUT we are generating offense (good) the babies look good (good) AND this year was told by management it was going to be more painful than last. I don't want to put it ALL on one thing - but there are cracks in every little area, that i do think can be addressed by a trade (or two) of some vets (even if it's bringing in a new vet) an of course shoring up the defense.

on the positive side of the penny, as there always is one - we're getting a point in almost every game. that's good.

 

[hockeyes]

teams blow 2 goal leads all the time.. what?

Teams leading after 2 lose about 10% of games, not 80%.

 

[yubbers]

Call Winnipeg and see what they want for Trouba. If you can get him without trading one of the big 3 and Rielly. Than go for it. Gardiner and Top 3 protected 1st RD pick get it done?

I'd do Gardiner, Bozak + a pick

 

[TheDoldrums]

Kadri line was absolutely brutal tonight. I can't believe people getting on Marner for stuff when the veterans have definitely been the problem.

 

[Walshy7]

Before the season it was how many rookies are too many. Now it's how many of these type vets is too much, these guy should be so much better than this if they are who we kept to mentor the young guys

 

[Pi]

There's a big difference. That team was full of veterans who knew what to do on the defensive side of the puck. They knew how to win. Where to be in the defensive end. The little things.

We've replaced them all with superior offensive players, but ones that don't know what the veterans did. They don't know how to win at the NHL level yet. Key word being yet. It will get better.

edit: Think about this too. We only had 22 leads out of 82 possible games in the 3rd. We're already at 4 3rd period leads? That's a really good sign.

Rookies weren't the reason we lost though. If it was it wouldn't be so frustrating. If anything, Leafs need to lean more towards the rookies. They had a fantastic shift after the game got tied but didn't see much ice time when it was 4-2 or 4-3.

I'm all good to lose if the rookies make the mistakes but they aren't the ones struggling.

 

[Ropesman]

Griffith doesn't fix the line problems. We're scoring plenty of goals. The problem is the other way around.

A simple line juggling would be fine though, like promoting Brown in the lineup while demoting Michalek or perhaps even Komarov who has played like total butthole so far.

That is the exact move I would love to see. Brown has played his way into a promotion if you ask me. He is Responsible on defense as well so I think it would be a good fit on that line. I would also like to see Corrado get a game in ther eand take hunwick out.

 

[yubbers]

u think Babcock is gonna want a diva like Trouba who when he doesnt get his way holds out? lmao.

You'd hold out too if you had to live in Winnipeg

 

[Leafidelity]

u think Babcock is gonna want a diva like Trouba who when he doesnt get his way holds out? lmao.

I think he'd take a "diva" like ROR or Trouba on his team any day.

 

[supermann_98]

Hunwick has been trash. Last year when he was Bab's pet project he played very smart, solid defense.

This year he scrambling all over with the puck, turns it over, looks shaky and is getting outmuscled on the boards very regularly

If he played as well as he did last year I wouldn't complain but he's regressed as a player.

It's bad when I (secretly) hoped he'd take some time off after that hit from Neil, not only because he looked concussed but because he was awful and I'd rather give Corrado some time to see how he may have improved this season, if at all

 

[tp71]

Rookies weren't the reason we lost though. If it was it wouldn't be so frustrating. If anything, Leafs need to lean more towards the rookies. They had a fantastic shift after the game got tied but didn't see much ice time when it was 4-2 or 4-3.

I'm all good to lose if the rookies make the mistakes but they aren't the ones struggling.

Then that should be even more pleasing. It's not the rookies. It's the lousy vets. Only place to go is up as they start to play more time and Lou can ship the vets out.

 

[SprDaVE]

Kadri line was absolutely brutal tonight. I can't believe people getting on Marner for stuff when the veterans have definitely been the problem.

They got destroyed by the Kane line. It wasn't even close. That line will destroy most lines though to be fair.

 

[Al14]

Guys nobody is to blame....you really expect kids to win a game they have a 4-2 lead in with 3 minutes to play? It was just so much fun watching them grow in those final 3 minutes and overtime.
Marner grew by over handling the puck for the 5th time today on his shootout attempt. Holland's confidence grew when he was chosen to shoot over so many natural goal scorers.
They all grew so much watching Babcock continually put Hunwick on the ice late in the game. The most growth however has to go to Freddy Andersen who is starting to realize that it's not about whether you win or lose but rather about how you lose, every game he's finding new ways.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Getting sick of Babcock, hunwick love out of control and holland on the shootout. I can name 6 players easily ahead of him for a shootout

Time to earn that $8mill per season now

Babcock leaves a lot to be a desired to far this year.

That didn't take long. Has the shine worn off?

 

[Daisy Jane]

Rookies weren't the reason we lost though. If it was it wouldn't be so frustrating. If anything, Leafs need to lean more towards the rookies. They had a fantastic shift after the game got tied but didn't see much ice time when it was 4-2 or 4-3.

I'm all good to lose if the rookies make the mistakes but they aren't the ones struggling.

i heard on the radio (and I agreed). you can't keep a lot (or all) of these vets. they need to go (even if it's getting new vets) they clearly know they aren't part of what's being built hence the meh play.

 

[notdoneyet]

Our defence sucks we do not have a number one or a top four.

Reilly is not a number one dman - he has potential,but not there yet
Zaitsev is a top four dman but not top two yet
Gardiner has a lot of holes in his game - he may be a number four dman
Hunwick mancarin Carrick polak and corrado are all 6/7 dmen

We have to score six goals a game to win with this defence

This is a major concern and has to be addressed

 

[ThrillinPhil]

Funny, the Leafs organization almost had $150 from me just about I was gonna order my Auston Matthews jersey on NHL.com and buy it. Then Chicago scores and makes it 4-3 and im like thats fine they can have my money if they can close this game out. Sadly they did not and I saved $150. Moral of the story is, imma start betting big $ against the Leafs so i can make some quick cash. Hopefully they have leads in the 3rd period so I know imma make money for sure

 

[Ropesman]

My Thoughts
(to be fair, I've only watched Auston's 4 goals + 2 games, thanks to a wonky work schedule).

1: It seems to me that Kadri + Rielly are suffering from a touch of contract-itis in the regards to they are struggling after having a big contract extension behind them. They need to shake out of it. this isn't to say they don't have their postitive moments before people go "lol wut" OVERALL to me they don't look as sharp.

2: Lamoriello needs to take Babcock's toys away. Hunwick, is not bad, but he can not play as many minutes as he is or as many games.

3: Babcock shouldn't have coached world cup Canada. the defense looks bad bad bad and there is a legitimate breakdown somewhere and I don't think he has had time to truly assess where the issue is or what is causing it. so he's behind, our defense is behind which is impacting..

4: andersen. Who could also be suffering from contract-itis. Not ALL of the goals are his fault, but he needs to stop at least one less (I know that's an obvious). but that's why he was traded for and that's what he needs to do. if he's injured, he needs to stop playing and heal up and come in. if you play you are healthy.

5: Mah babies are doing my heart so proud.

6: why is Brown on the 4th line? (but man is he a strong PKer)


overall - i'm not that mad because i wasn't expecting anything from this season but improvement and okay blown leads all the time in the third: bad. BUT we are generating offense (good) the babies look good (good) AND this year was told by management it was going to be more painful than last. I don't want to put it ALL on one thing - but there are cracks in every little area, that i do think can be addressed by a trade (or two) of some vets (even if it's bringing in a new vet) an of course shoring up the defense.

on the positive side of the penny, as there always is one - we're getting a point in almost every game. that's good.

This times 1 million!

 

[Rayban*]

u think Babcock is gonna want a diva like Trouba who when he doesnt get his way holds out? lmao.

Who actually cares what he wants....he's starting to look pretty bad at evaluating defensive talent.

 

[happyaccident]

He could have,but would have given away a coaches challenge.

I know that the one he called was grasping for nothing. A time out wouldn't have done much for the team. They were being pressed by some of the best in the NHL.

Just to give the guys you want out there a chance to breathe. You definitely don't want Hunwick and "free-pass" Bozak oout there in that situation. Watch Hunwick on the 4th goal, it's comical.
Freddie's rebound on the 3rd goal wasnt great but on the 2nd goal was a complete lol. Jake lets Motta walk right around him but Freddie has to do something with that shot. The guy is a steaming pile when we have a lead.

 

[Avilaj07]

If there's one thing I'm scared about with all of these late game collapses causing, it's a younger players becoming frustrated and uninterested in playing anymore. You can already tell Matthews is getting annoyed with the losing, and I'm sure it won't be long before the other younger players follow. Babcock really needs to figure this out and hold these vets accountable or else this might get ugly.