Yakov Trenin breaks Derek Forbort's orbital bone while prone

[HugeInTheShire]

Can't wait for all the "Do the Canucks have a Yakov Trenin problem" threads.

Maybe Vancouver should trade for Kurtis MacDermid, he's a useless face puncher

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Sucks that he got hurt but this happens all the time, not sure what the solution is other than getting rid of fighting altogether

 

[Grimey]

Can’t believe Forbort punched a guy a couple times after knocking him slightly off balance. And while the fight was still going on, too…smdh. Should have waited until a linesman broke up the fight and sat on Trenin like a real man

 

[DemidovSaveUs]

I really like Trenin but was a chicken shit move.

Seeing as Kevin Adams likes players on shitty contracts, do you think he may be interested in Trenin?

 

[Ducks DVM]

Trenin was not on his hands and knees on the ice, he lost balance and punches would be expected. You don't expect a punch when the ref holds your hand preventing you to defend yourself from a punch to the face. When there is no interference and both players are on their skates, then its a fair fight. Its not fair to have someone tie your hands while the other player on top is punching you clean right in the face. How can you compare these two, its crazy to even think they are similar scenarios.

Don’t take advantage of a player in a fight then not expect them to repay you if they get the opportunity. This was cheap.

 

[Ezpz]

Hockey's too soft nowadays. What happened to I get knocked down, but I get up again, you're never gonna keep me down?

 

[Coaches Coroner]

I'm shocked at the outrage. Must be a combo of Injury + European did it. Particularly because Forbort threw at least 1, maybe 2 questionable shots as well.
This happens quite often with no one worse for where, thankfully. Whether its good or bad that it happens, that's a good discussion to have. If Forgort didn't have a broken orbital bone, I'm sure there would be less hand wringing.

 

[CapSpace]

Dirtiest ? You obviously don't remember Chara sucker punching Ivanans and basically killing his career. f***ing bum.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that people are trying to equate Forbort throwing punches as Trenin is getting ragdolled with Trenin's punches where Forbort has been lying on the ice long enough for Trenin to get up in a position over Forbort and punch down at him as the linesman is trying to stop him.

What Forbort did wasn't that unusual in a fight. Both players are still relatively on their feet and scrambling.

What Trenin did is a dirty POS move. Forbort was lying on his back on the ice for several seconds.

And I'm not a fan of either team of player in this incident.

 

[Chainshot]

Hockey's too soft nowadays. What happened to I get knocked down, but I get up again, you're never gonna keep me down?

Forbort got thumped right in his tub.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Video of the cheapshot:

That's Probert's payback because during the line brawl Macguire took the opportunity to fight Steve Yzerman.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Dirty but not the dirtiest punch I've ever seen. That probably goes to Probert on Maguire. Chara's jaw breaking sucker punch on Ivanans is up there too.

Matt Johnson sucker punching Andrei Nazarov and breaking his cheek and eye socket. As dirty of a player Nazarov was, Johnson was the biggest POS I've ever seen play. And props to Nazarov for getting up and going after Johnson with a broken face. There's no video of the actual sucker punch, but I was at the game and he got 4 games.



And Johnson sucker punched Beukeboom later in his career and got a dozen games

 

[Chainshot]

That's Probert's payback because during the line brawl Macguire took the opportunity to fight Steve Yzerman.

Again, the whole situation started out because the giant Coke head had been running Barrasso all game. Maguire ran the Chevy in net and that started the line brawl.

 

[The Eyeball Kid]

The replies in this thread are so bad I wonder if anyone is actually serious. It was a cheapshot that you rarely see, nothing that forbort did was unusual or "deserving" of it, and when it does happen both teams know a line was crossed. What Trenin did is what can lead to fighting being banned.


There was nothing similar in that fight. Kuraly had a late attempt at the same time they hit the ice, which happens in many fights, but he was letting up and both players knew when to quit. Trenin got a bullseye in so late the linemen was already holding back Forbort.

What Chatfield did, more than once, will maim or kill someone and that will end fighting.

 

[The Eyeball Kid]

Hockey's too soft nowadays. What happened to I get knocked down, but I get up again, you're never gonna keep me down?

Chumbawamba happened. And everything went to s**t.
Clearly their fault.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Again, the whole situation started out because the giant Coke head had been running Barrasso all game. Maguire ran the Chevy in net and that started the line brawl.

yeah, no salty tears detected there.

Probert went after Maguire because even though the line brawl had run its course, Maguire took the opportunity to fight Yzerman. What Probert did was payback for Maguire fighting the Wings young star.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that people are trying to equate Forbort throwing punches as Trenin is getting ragdolled with Trenin's punches where Forbort has been lying on the ice long enough for Trenin to get up in a position over Forbort and punch down at him as the linesman is trying to stop him.

What Forbort did wasn't that unusual in a fight. Both players are still relatively on their feet and scrambling.

What Trenin did is a dirty POS move. Forbort was lying on his back on the ice for several seconds.

And I'm not a fan of either team of player in this incident.

I see people landing punches on the guy on the ice, frequently with linemen involved, about every 4th or 5th fight. If the guy on the ice took liberties, either before or during the fight, it makes it much more likely to occur. The only thing unusual about this event is the punch actually landing and causing damage. It happens all the time.

Those pictures were mainly to respond to the guy who said absolutely no punches were thrown at a guy on his hands and knees, which is basically saying that they never watched the clip.

 

[wolfgaze]

That's Probert's payback because during the line brawl Macguire took the opportunity to fight Steve Yzerman.

'payback' = egregious cheapshot

Why didn't he wait to punch him when Macguire was actually on his feet?

 

[AvalancheRy]

This league needs to decide where it stands on fighting. You can’t have soft penalties for this stuff and then clutch your pearls when a guy gets hurt during a fistfight.

Hockey is great because the players can police the game themselves a little bit. But players also need to follow the code. If players aren't supposed to throw punches when the guys is down, then don't.

You can't have a player code if the players don't follow it. I always though guys weren't supposed to throw when the guy was on the ice.

 

[Phil Kessels Hot Dog]

The code isn't real, you all would have lost your mind watching hockey in the 80s

 

[BigKing]

Matt Johnson sucker punching Andrei Nazarov and breaking his cheek and eye socket. As dirty of a player Nazarov was, Johnson was the biggest POS I've ever seen play. And props to Nazarov for getting up and going after Johnson with a broken face. There's no video of the actual sucker punch, but I was at the game and he got 4 games.



And Johnson sucker punched Beukeboom later in his career and got a dozen games

To be fair, he elbowed Nazarov and it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy after his headbutt of Quintal. Speaking of sucker punches, Nazarov has his own beauty of one on Lacroix 13 months after eating the Johnson elbow. What a game that LA/SJ one was though. Granato and Blake picked up suspensions as well and Potomski, a supposed enforcer, got fed in the brawl by Nolan. Pretty sure Iafrate was in there swinging his stick like a lunatic at Johnson as well. What a time to be alive.

The Beukeboom sucker punch ruined Johnson as an enforcer for the Kings. He actually had a great 1997-98 season and didn't do anything over the line. Then in that '98 preseason, he had a similar sucker punch on Marchment immediately after Marchment kneed a King in a preseason game but, fortunately, he didn't connect like he did with Beukeboom. Beukeboom injured Ray Ferraro the season before and was then doing some dumb stuff on LA ice with a big lead. He declined to answer for it so Johnson did what he did. 12 games in 1998 is like a full season now. Sucker punches were so common back then...good thing they've mostly cleaned that up. Johnson would come back from the suspension and fought horribly from then on out for the Kings, like he was afraid to throw a punch. Think it messed him up and, more importantly, ended Buekeboom's career.

As for the Trenin punch, it was dirty and anyone saying it isn't or that it was okay because Forbort threw punches while they were still dancing simply doesn't understand "The Code" etc. It should not be a suspension but it is a complete violation of one of the unwritten rules of fighting. It's even worse that he looked bad in a fight against a horrible fighter and then injured him with a complete cheapie.

 

[Coffee]

I'm shocked at the outrage. Must be a combo of Injury + European did it.

nailed it. I mean it’s not surprising at this point

 

[BigKing]

The code isn't real, you all would have lost your mind watching hockey in the 80s

The Code is real, but it isn't always followed. Trenin's punch is an example.

You could also argue that there was so much fighting in the 1980s that The Code was actually followed pretty well: there were just way more opportunities for the code to be broken. Not the 1980s but Dave Brown--a product of the 80s--going ham on Jim Kyte in 1991 makes this incident look precious. Of course, Brown was a lunatic.

 

[Bridges31]

Yeah Forbert threw punches when Trenin was falling down on all fours losing his balance.

And he didn’t really connect with those punches. The second one id barely classify as a punch.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Potomski, a supposed enforcer, got fed in the brawl by Nolan.

When Nolan got pissed, he was not someone you wanted any part of. He also had a brutal cheap shot against Grant Marshall....and his punchable face. LOL