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Trish vs. Becky can’t make Summerslam?

That was supposed to be the whole reason Trish stuck around.
 
Emperoreddy said:
Really rough show. No stip for Cody vs Brock. No Rhea on Summerslam card and now Becky is missing the card too.

Poor job by HHH
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Yeah, lackluster show. I still think Summerslam will be good though. Wonder what surprises there will be? I'm sure there will be a return or two.
 
Sensrule said:
Yeah, lackluster show. I still think Summerslam will be good though. Wonder what surprises there will be? I'm sure there will be a return or two.
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Yeah, should still be a good show in the end.

I guess Brock vs Cody didn't get a stip because Roman/Jey is a no DQ and they didn't want multiple stips? Idk
 
Emperoreddy said:
Really rough show. No stip for Cody vs Brock. No Rhea on Summerslam card and now Becky is missing the card too.

Poor job by HHH
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I don't think you can overflow the card too much, either. The matches on there right now are the ones that have had somewhat of a build.

Trish/Becky just needs to stop, there's zero heat.
No one cares enough about Raquel, either.

HHH has always been a quality over quantity guy.

Ricochet vs Paul will probably go 15 mins.
Battle Royal will probably go 15-20 mins.
Gunther vs Drew will probably go 20 mins.
Roman vs Jey will probably top 20 mins, maybe even closer to 30.
Asuka/Charlotte/Belair will probably be 15-20.
Finn vs Seth will probably go 20.
Rousey vs Baszler will go 10-15
Brock vs Cody will probably be one of Brocks longer matches. I think it goes 10-12 for sure.

Throw in a segment here and there and that's eating up a good chunk.
 
I thought that was a good episode of RAW.

Sunmerslam is looking like it's going to be a good show. One of the MITB holders is cashing in 100%. I don't think Iyo is quite ready to hold that title yet. She is great in the ring and her character isn't bad but her splitting from Bayley is probably needed first. Maybe her winning it and than defending the belt against Asuka is a way for her to get even more over all for Bayley to turn on her and demand a title shot. Would be a good way to turn Iyo babyface since that seems like the plan in the long run. Bayley has been a heel for almost 4 years now. She's been a heel longer than a face on the main roster now I believe.
 
Sheppy said:
I don't think you can overflow the card too much, either. The matches on there right now are the ones that have had somewhat of a build.

Trish/Becky just needs to stop, there's zero heat.
No one cares enough about Raquel, either.

HHH has always been a quality over quantity guy.

Ricochet vs Paul will probably go 15 mins.
Battle Royal will probably go 15-20 mins.
Gunther vs Drew will probably go 20 mins.
Roman vs Jey will probably top 20 mins, maybe even closer to 30.
Asuka/Charlotte/Belair will probably be 15-20.
Finn vs Seth will probably go 20.
Rousey vs Baszler will go 10-15
Brock vs Cody will probably be one of Brocks longer matches. I think it goes 10-12 for sure.

Throw in a segment here and there and that's eating up a good chunk.
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Fair point. The theoretical card was really large and it was clearly something was getting cut.
 
Emperoreddy said:
Fair point. The theoretical card was really large and it was clearly something was getting cut.
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It also doesn't hurt to put big matches on weekday shows, either. That's what I find lacks these days with WWE. I'm not saying you have to blow off Cody/Brock on a RAW, but something like Trish/Becky doesn't need SS.

The matches on RAW/SD are essentially weak, cookie cutter matches because they devote every decent match to a PPV. How many Judgment Day vs KO/Seth/Sami variations have we seen over the past month?

Mix in a big match here and there, mix in a gimmick match (cage, no dq, LMS) whatever. That's why I find the product hard to watch lately.

6 man tag, 3 minute womens match, match that ends in dq, match that ends in dq, match that ends in a distraction, 2 minute womens match.
 
Sheppy said:
It also doesn't hurt to put big matches on weekday shows, either. That's what I find lacks these days with WWE. I'm not saying you have to blow off Cody/Brock on a RAW, but something like Trish/Becky doesn't need SS.

The matches on RAW/SD are essentially weak, cookie cutter matches because they devote every decent match to a PPV. How many Judgment Day vs KO/Seth/Sami variations have we seen over the past month?

Mix in a big match here and there, mix in a gimmick match (cage, no dq, LMS) whatever. That's why I find the product hard to watch lately.

6 man tag, 3 minute womens match, match that ends in dq, match that ends in dq, match that ends in a distraction, 2 minute womens match.
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And don't forget the classic singles match between to guys from tag teams/factions, that gets blown up in the first 30 seconds, goes to commercial and we come back to a tag match/ 6 man tag
 
Unholy Diver said:
And don't forget the classic singles match between to guys from tag teams/factions, that gets blown up in the first 30 seconds, goes to commercial and we come back to a tag match/ 6 man tag
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Or tag team feuds where...

Wrestler A on Team 1 has a singles match vs Wrestler A on Team 2
Wrestler B on Team 1 has a singles match vs Wrestler B on Team 2
Wrestler A on Team 1 has a singles match vs Wrestler B on Team 2
Wrestler B on Team 1 has a singles match vs Wrestler A on Team 2

Then they have their tag match at PPV.
 
dahrougem2 said:
A Lesnar loss obviously doesn't hurt him but man, he has been kicking Cody's ass for weeks now. How is Cody supposed to win?
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This prolonged bland 4-month feud had better lead to something better than a Cody Rhodes win and that's the end of it. Still haven't given a reason why Brock Lesnar just randomly attacked Rhodes after WM.

Somehow my gut tells me this will eventually be incorporated into the Bloodline story. Is Lesnar working for Heyman and Reigns?
 
BruinDust said:
This prolonged bland 4-month feud had better lead to something better than a Cody Rhodes win and that's the end of it. Still haven't given a reason why Brock Lesnar just randomly attacked Rhodes after WM.

Somehow my gut tells me this will eventually be incorporated into the Bloodline story. Is Lesnar working for Heyman and Reigns?
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It would be even more weird for Lesnar to be working for his biggest rival in the company.
 
dahrougem2 said:
It would be even more weird for Lesnar to be working for his biggest rival in the company.
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Any weirder than when Austin joined forces with Triple H about 6 weeks after a vicious feud?

I think that is the point. It wouldn't be expected and just as it looks like Reign's world is falling apart, he rises up and emerges with a new powerful faction that includes a very powerful associate in Lesnar. Factor in the Heyman connection and the fact Lesnar is basically wrestling's ultimate mercenary in real life. He just wants to come in, do business, make a pile of money, and go home again.

Where do Rhodes and Lesnar go after this, regardless of who wins? Their feud hasn't made any sense from the start.
 
dahrougem2 said:
It would be even more weird for Lesnar to be working for his biggest rival in the company.
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The way they wrote it though, there is still an insinuation that the ties between Heyman and Lesnar were never cut off. Only that Heyman was for Roman in times that he absolutely had to be.
 
BruinDust said:
Any weirder than when Austin joined forces with Triple H about 6 weeks after a vicious feud?

I think that is the point. It wouldn't be expected and just as it looks like Reign's world is falling apart, he rises up and emerges with a new powerful faction that includes a very powerful associate in Lesnar. Factor in the Heyman connection and the fact Lesnar is basically wrestling's ultimate mercenary in real life. He just wants to come in, do business, make a pile of money, and go home again.

Where do Rhodes and Lesnar go after this, regardless of who wins? Their feud hasn't made any sense from the start.
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This is my biggest thing.

Why? Why is it happening?
 
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Sheppy said:
This is my biggest thing.

Why? Why is it happening?
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There has to me more to it that they haven't revealed yet. No history, no back-story, not fighting over a title, neither screwed the other over previously, not fighting over a female, nothing.

With the long-term storytelling going across the promotion I have to think there is more to this story than meets the eye.
 
BruinDust said:
There has to me more to it that they haven't revealed yet. No history, no back-story, not fighting over a title, neither screwed the other over previously, not fighting over a female, nothing.

With the long-term storytelling going across the promotion I have to think there is more to this story than meets the eye.
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They are either going to reveal Brock was just trying to toughen Cody up, or it will just be hand waved that its Brock doing Brock things.

I'm a little worried about a potential rumored return being Cody's next feud. A former Eater of World's who is now just an Ender of Momentum
 
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