Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[cheech70]

Drury GM of the year finalist?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Zibanejad at wing makes perfect sense to me, especially since he sucks at center.

3C is a lot easier of a hole to fill than 1RW.

If the move to wing helps him get back to shooting, playing in straight lines, and frankly keeps the puck off of his stick a little more, then there's potential Zibanejad finds some mileage there.

8.5mil for a PPG winger isn't really bad all things considered. It's not like we're flush with RW anyway.

He’s a PPG winger now?

 

[17futurecap]

Drury GM of the year finalist?

Goodrow’s agent should get an award too.

 

[will1066]

There's no need to invest in 3C when the wings are the likes of Kreider, Smith, Kaliyev and Vesey.

 

[bernmeister]

I'd offer Miller a long term deal. 7 years @ $5.5m per season. Lock it in

or what I said coupla posts up

8 yrs drive down to 5.25 or less

 

[IDvsEGO]

Goodrow’s agent should get an award too.

The leak that other teams were offering 3m/6y should've been immediate collusion charges.
Drury didn't view the pick as a sunk cost and while we all agree he should've let him walk, Goodrow was able to help us get to 2 ECF's, and did provide leadership.
That we got rid of him for 0 retention, and 0 picks the other way, says alot.
The deal looks alot more palatable knowing we got out of it for nothing.
Same with Trouba. We got out of it and got assets back.

For all people talk about Drury, the two deals that looked the worst this off season, are now off the books, with zero retention.

 

[McRanger92]

Would Canes move Orlov? He's paid alot and a pending UFA. Lindgren for Orlov? Canes are close to capped out.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

There's no need to invest in 3C when the wings are the likes of Kreider, Smith, Kaliyev and Vesey.

Smith is good.

Not fair to lump him in with the others.

Would Canes move Orlov? He's paid alot and a pending UFA. Lindgren for Orlov? Canes are close to capped out.

If anyone knows what a good defenseman looks like it’s Carolina.

I can’t imagine they’d want anything to do with trading with NYR. If they some
How help them get in and they knock them out for the 3rd time in 4 years heads are gonna f***ing roll there because it would have been their own doing.

 

[Machinehead]

Name me the #6 dman better than lindgren. Im not asking complicated questions here

People said for two years replace Trouba with literally anyone.

Drury replaced him with Will Borgen and it made the team significantly better.

You're not getting complicated answers here.

 

[bleedblue94]

I never said he’s good, I said his reputation will carry his value (which is most likely higher than just a 2nd prob a 2nd & 5th or a low level prospect), and the bigger return is not just him returning that value it’s him and smith (who GMs will prob still want because of Stanley cup success). It’s a very similar deal to granlund & ceci. Which returned a 1st and a 3rd. Pretty much the same deal but instead of picks you're getting a benched ufa d & a prospect that’s closer to nhl ready than a 1st round pick.I'm not saying I think Lindgren is worth that much but some GMs out there will over value his locker room presence and give it all attitude no matter how poorly he plays.

Even on 32 thoughts Friedman mentioned teams will be more willing to go all in this year and give up 1sts if they get 2 players instead of one.

Do you think teams can get two better players than lindgren and Smith if they will trade a first?

Just because some teams are willing to deal a 1st doesn't mean they want the players from nyr that people consider dead weight

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

If he feels that this season is a fluke and Miller is not a one year asset then it's different. Didn't he trade a first rounder for Tarasenko? Isn't that a better argument?

And Mikkola, who should've been re-signed. What you guys aren't considering is that cap space is a serious asset. So when dealing with rentals, you pick up zero negative assets by way of cap for term. Miller has cap AND term.

Miller will regress, is my point. It's fact and science. He's got maybe next season left at the current level of JT Miller that we all know. Players can't regress for you if they're rentals and you don't re-sign them.

Again the only way this deal made sense is if you're 100% confident that Chytil won't be playing very long. And even then, the 1st should've been moved last year for extra help. Not this year when it's going to be a considerably higher pick.

But to be real about it and to play devils advocate to myself, we would've likely botched the first anyway.

 

[JohnC]

Brooks claims the Rangers would beaten TB and Florida in the playoffs if Miller was on the team.



The Rangers D group needs to get better.

Cuylle will benefit being around Miller.

The Rangers are looking for a 3rd line center.

I would like to see Othmann here eventually. He has the dawg mentality too.

Watching this now and 3C was just discussed. Larry mentioned the possibility of the 4th line getting more time to potentially spell the 3rd for the time being and it got me thinking about the short term solution for 3C that I’m all for: Adam Edstrom

 

[duhmetreE]

How much would Walman cost?

Considering we have very little to offer, it’d probably be Othmann +

What’s the deal with Othmann anyway? Is he a PP specialist?

 

[RGY]

How much would Walman cost?

Considering we have very little to offer, it’d probably be Othmann +

What’s the deal with Othmann anyway? Is he a PP specialist?

How is Wallman costing Othmann? Decent player, but for Othmann?

I have read excerpts from LB on that podcast. Who would be the 3C options? Gourde is on an expiring contract and currently hurt? Nashville has been a mess this season after all the money spent, would RoR be a target? Kreider-RoR-Cuylle could be a heavy line. Maybe RoR and Cuylle wake that side of Kreider up.

4th line, who would be the options there to upgrade Rempe with someone who could move up to 3rd line minutes in the event of an injury. Rangers need a pesky forward that agitates playing physical with suffocating play.

I feel like the D market is thin. Which is why dealing Lindgren would make most sense. His “warrior” allure coupled with great playoff experience could generate a lot of interest. Problem is you would need a replacement. Jones and Brannstrom dont seem to be answers. Wallman would be interesting. Who else

 

[MrAlmost]

There's no need to invest in 3C when the wings are the likes of Kreider, Smith, Kaliyev and Vesey.

I'd trade 3 of those guys and call up Othmann and Berard. Get younger, faster and more tenacious. The difference in the way Miller attacks a loose puck compared to the rest of the team sans a few guys is shocking. Get more of those young guys in there. Maybe worse now, but better tomorrow.

Maybe frederic for 3c. Maybe Z goes to 2nd line center and trocheck to 3. Trocheck as a player is better suited to a checking line shutdown center than can also produce at evens.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

How is Wallman costing Othmann? Decent player, but for Othmann?

I have read excerpts from LB on that podcast. Who would be the 3C options? Gourde is on an expiring contract and currently hurt? Nashville has been a mess this season after all the money spent, would RoR be a target? Kreider-RoR-Cuylle could be a heavy line. Maybe RoR and Cuylle wake that side of Kreider up.

4th line, who would be the options there to upgrade Rempe with someone who could move up to 3rd line minutes in the event of an injury. Rangers need a pesky forward that agitates playing physical with suffocating play.

I feel like the D market is thin. Which is why dealing Lindgren would make most sense. His “warrior” allure coupled with great playoff experience could generate a lot of interest. Problem is you would need a replacement. Jones and Brannstrom dont seem to be answers. Wallman would be interesting. Who else

RoR? I'm not someone that thinks everyone should be 23 but would we have the oldest center group in the league?

 

[duhmetreE]

How is Wallman costing Othmann? Decent player, but for Othmann?

I have read excerpts from LB on that podcast. Who would be the 3C options? Gourde is on an expiring contract and currently hurt? Nashville has been a mess this season after all the money spent, would RoR be a target? Kreider-RoR-Cuylle could be a heavy line. Maybe RoR and Cuylle wake that side of Kreider up.

4th line, who would be the options there to upgrade Rempe with someone who could move up to 3rd line minutes in the event of an injury. Rangers need a pesky forward that agitates playing physical with suffocating play.

I feel like the D market is thin. Which is why dealing Lindgren would make most sense. His “warrior” allure coupled with great playoff experience could generate a lot of interest. Problem is you would need a replacement. Jones and Brannstrom dont seem to be answers. Wallman would be interesting. Who else

I just don't see it happening with Othmann... hopefully I'm wrong.. I just don't think it's going to work. He has the tenacity and shot but we need drivers and skaters.

He wont sniff PP time. He's not playing with JTM or Panarin. He'll be treated just like Kakko. 10-12 minutes with Brodz as his center.

Walman is a top4LHD and is under contract at a great value next season. We're 'all-in'.... as in, the org is looking to win the next 2-3 seasons. We can't be 'all-in' when Lindgren is on your team, let alone top pair.

 

[haohmaru]

NO way NONE

lindy gets a 1st

They might be too dumb to trade him but watch it if they do. He’s going to be coveted at the deadline if he’s available

 

[effen]

Brodz is fine at 3C since JTM and Trochek are gonna be 40 minutes+ between the two of them.

 

[RGY]

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Updated playoff chances

Moneypuck 42.2%
Athletic 39%
Power Rankings Guru 37.5%
Hockey Reference: 20.5%
Fan Duel +162 they make it

For future if you're looking for the math on that:

Anything with a + number you divide 100 by 100 + the + number. So in this case you divide 100 by 262. 38.1% is what FD is saying their implied odds are.

Andddd for more future, anything with a - number you divide the - number by that number plus 100. So if we were good this year and our odds to make the playoffs were -162. It's 162 divided by 262. Which would be 61.8%.

This is good math to do if you're making say a money line bet. The 2 numbers will always add up to over 100, and that in theory is the vig that the sports book will make if both sides had even number bets. You want around a 4% or lower "vig"

 

[RGY]

I just don't see it happening with Othmann... hopefully I'm wrong.. I just don't think it's going to work. He has the tenacity and shot but we need drivers and skaters.

He wont sniff PP time. He's not playing with JTM or Panarin. He'll be treated just like Kakko. 10-12 minutes with Brodz as his center.

Walman is a top4LHD and is under contract at a great value next season. We're 'all-in'.... as in, the org is looking to win the next 2-3 seasons. We can't be 'all-in' when Lindgren is on your team, let alone top pair.

It may not happen here for Othmann but currently he still has his value and I just think that Wallman wouldnt cost us Othmann. The NHL hasnt seen Othmann get bottom 6 PP2 minutes yet so his value has not diminished… yet.

Dont disagree on Lindgren

 

[Alluckks]

People said for two years replace Trouba with literally anyone.

Drury replaced him with Will Borgen and it made the team significantly better.

You're not getting complicated answers here.

I like Borgen, but I unironically wonder how much of Borgen's contract can be attributed to how bad Trouba sucked. Like, it made a decent player look that much better because the bar was so low.

 

[Machinehead]

I feel that there's a prevailing notion out there that "not an NHL player" is some sort of hyperbole used by the analytics people.

No, people use that phrase for a reason.

It's not meant as smartass response when people ask "replace them with who?" and you say "an NHL player."

That is meant literally.

 

[egelband]

Not for nothing, but if we’re going to keep Borgen and Vaakanainen long term, they must change their numbers. I’m sorry. This is not negotiable.