Confirmed Trade: [WSH/LAK] Pierre-Luc Dubois for Darcy Kuemper (no salary retained)

[Legion34]

Is this actually a win win trade?

 

[SympathyForTheDevils]

Guys you couldn't win with? The dudes who lead their team to the finals a year before their moronic GM jettisoned them? I dont recall people saying things like that about them.

Character problems was the Philly media doing their job of tearing down former players. Sure they partied a lot, but they still showed up to every game and performed great. What a shocker story, players in their mid 20s party a lot.

Yeah, a lot of guys in their 20s party hard, but there aren't a ton of high-profile players who were jettisoned out of two different organizations because of substance abuse issues, like Richards.

As for Carter, what about the pathetic way he pouted his way out of Columbus? Was that the Philly media too?

In fact I'd say it eerily reminiscent of another big talented center who did essentially the same thing a decade later.

 

[Rorschach]

Richards, Justin Williams and Carter were not defective by any means.

They weren't "defective" for the Kings but they were previously thought of as defective. Richards and Carter for not fitting the ideal Philly character mold for too high of cap hits (in the mind of Philly FO)...they were moved to make cap space for a goaltender. Williams was gotten for only a 2nd rounder originally because he was dubbed as injury-prone.

 

[Herby]

There is no reason to think Dubois will regress, this is what he has been outside of one year, he's just on a loaded team for the first time.

He was just a horrible fit for LA, when his story is written it will be of a well rounded but frustrating 60-70 point center who was disappointing based on draft capital, but still had a decent career, and the season with the Kings will stick out like a sore thumb.

 

[Caps8112]

Like who?

Kopitar, Brown, Doughty and Quick were all drafted by them.

Richards, Justin Williams and Carter were not defective by any means.

Richards and Carter were literally blamed for everything that was wrong with the flyers, withe their partying and general way of doing things. they still had good numbers in philly but the GM Rather be done with them and change the culture. I also thought there were other players like stoll that contributed to the kings cups but had run out of favor on previous teams. Gaborik was kind of thought to be headed down the washed direction before turning it around in LA. Regehr wa near the tail end and wasnt thought to have much left. The kings gave all those players another chance and got 2 cups for it. yea they had a good young core but still

 

[Caps8112]

double post

 

[Caps8112]

Yeah a lot of those guys were 'flawed'

Richards and Carter Dry Island, Carter's CBJ pouting
Penner...well to be fair everyone was right about him loafing, but he still had his moments
Mitchell was coming off injuries/major concussion
Scuderi people had worries about him holding up on a top pairing for 4 years
Stoll, Greene weren't seen as 'difference makers' and Kings gave up tons of production in Visnovsky
Regehr was injured and seen as damaged goods
Williams was seen as injury prone, had two major knee injuries basically back to back
Gaborik was injury ravaged and seen as cooked
Muzzin wasn't seen as top-pairing material and had a major back recovery (unless you didn't like Doughty then Muzzin/McNabb/Forbort were the reasons Doughty was actually good)

Some didn't work, like Simon Gagne, who could never recover form

hell even f***ing Jeff Schultz had a moment in the sun and the best stanley cup photo ever haha

this is pretty much what i was trying to say. maybe defective wasnt the right word but more, players that had gone sideways for one reason or another. Richards and Carter were literally cast out of philly. obviously with pld it is thought to have been a similar character problem. butall the caps aquired this off season fit in the category of given up on, outside of roy.

 

[EpochLink]

Not bad for a comeback season for PLD, honestly.

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

Best trade of the year